More Cultural and Moral Decay

[jkwilliams]

2 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

In contrast, I take the mocking but desperate nothing-to-see-here-folks version of progressive virtue-signalling very seriously. (I suspect a PhD in history has made me a bit sensitive to how Orwellian word games play out in real life.)

And I support the right of children and young people to not be made into targets for your team's radical sexualisation agenda -- which you will of course deny the existence of (or downplay?) in your reply ...

I know where you’re coming from. You’ve been pretty open in your disdain for LGBTQ+ folks and your belief that they are coming for our children. I figure it’s better to make fun of that than believe that some people really are that threatened. 

[Hamba Tuhan]

7 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I know where you’re coming from. You’ve been pretty open in your disdain for LGBTQ+ folks ... some people really are that threatened.

And now you descend to blatantly lying about me and my motivations. I thought that might be next. I like your predictability.

Edited September 6, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan

[jkwilliams]

6 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

And now you descend to blatantly lying about me and my motivations. I thought that might be next. I like your predictability.

I’m not lying at all. That’s how you come across consistently. I doubt I’m the only person here who reads your posts that way. It seems pretty obvious. 

[InCognitus]

43 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I support my LGBTQ+ friends and enjoy poking a little at those who don’t. 

Can you please elaborate on how you "support" your friends as compared to "those who don't"?   I'm trying to understand what you perceive to be the difference.  What kind of "support" do you mean?

[Hamba Tuhan]

20 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I doubt I’m the only person here who reads your posts that way. It seems pretty obvious. 

As you know, I can't control for what you might read into my posts. I have complete confidence in my words themselves.

You don't let people define your relationship with the Church in ways that you deem inaccurate or misleading. I demand the same on this topic.

[ttribe]

2 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

The back-slapping frat-boy pile-on by the forum's band of progressive apologists has once again not disappointed!

That hidden message is right up there with a certain acrostic in terms of classy moves by defenders. Way to raise the bar.

[jkwilliams]

10 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

As you know, I can't control for what you might read into my posts. I have complete confidence in my words themselves.

You don't let people define your relationship with the Church in ways that you deem inaccurate or misleading. I demand the same on this topic.

It’s just that whenever this subject comes up, you go on the attack. This thread is full of ugly accusations against gay people, yet you say nothing until someone defends them. 

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 minute ago, ttribe said:

That hidden message ...

I don't hide my messages; I cross-reference them.

[ttribe]

1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

I graduated summa cum laude with a BA in literary studies. I'm thoroughly steeped in critical theory, especially Derrida, Foucault, and Lyotard. Your word games don't work on me.

 

56 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

In contrast, I take the mocking but desperate nothing-to-see-here-folks version of progressive virtue-signalling very seriously. (I suspect a PhD in history has made me a bit sensitive to how Orwellian word games tend to play out in real life.)

And I support the right of children and young people not to be made into targets for your team's radical sexualisation agenda -- which you will of course deny the existence of (or downplay?) in your reply ...

Oh, oh, are we posting CVs now, too?! Maybe I can even dig out my report cards!

[ttribe]

Just now, Hamba Tuhan said:

I don't hide my messages; I cross-reference them.

Oh, I'm sure you thought it was clever. Of that I have no doubt.

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 minute ago, ttribe said:

Oh, I'm sure you thought it was clever. Of that I have no doubt.

Not clever. Useful, informative, and a source of further context to my observation.

[Hamba Tuhan]

9 minutes ago, ttribe said:

Oh, oh, are we posting CVs now, too?! Maybe I can even dig out my report cards!

[Calm]

54 minutes ago, jkwilliams said:

I’m not lying at all. That’s how you come across consistently. I doubt I’m the only person here who reads your posts that way. It seems pretty obvious. 

I do not read him that way at all. 

I don’t agree with how he phrases his criticisms at times, but I don’t read disdain for those identifying as LGBTQ+ individuals  in them. 

Edited September 6, 2022 by Calm

[Peacefully]

5 minutes ago, Calm said:

I do not read him that way at all. 

I don’t agree with how he phrases his criticisms at times, but I don’t read disdain for those identifying as LGBTQ+ individuals  in them. 

Not disdain, but by constantly saying it is a modern construct, he seems to be waving away the pain of every LGBTQ+ person. At least, that is how it comes across to me. 

[Calm]

6 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Not disdain, but by constantly saying it is a modern construct, he seems to be waving away the pain of every LGBTQ+ person. At least, that is how it comes across to me. 

But I think it is a modern construct as well and yet I know I see there is massive pain at times because there is a lack of acceptance or even aggression targeting them. It is not a contradictory position to believe an identity has been developed culturally and to understand there is exclusion and other highly negative aspects.  Just look at any caste system, which is easily recognized as cultural, but extraordinarily damaging to those on the lower rungs. 

[california boy]

2 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Pure deflection. What is being condemned is Trojan-horse attempts at normalising unmistakably sexualised behaviour in front of minors. (Why people might be determined to do this is a completely separate topic!) That is not celebrated by BYU in any way, and you and your fellows know it.

So let's take a look.  This seems to be the worst shot used as examples of why the drag show is inappropriate and should be avoided by any TBM.

Now lets take a screen capture of the Cougar cheerleaders.

Which one is unmistakably sexualizing behavior in front of minors?  You tell me.  Cause I don't see much difference.

 

Edited September 6, 2022 by california boy

[Tacenda]

2 minutes ago, california boy said:

So let's take a look.  This seems to be the worst shot used as examples of why the drag show is inappropriate and should be avoided by any TBM.

Now lets take a screen capture of the Cougar cheerleaders.

 

 

Which one is unmistakably sexualizing behavior in front of minors?  You tell me.

Yep, this is getting insane.

[jkwilliams]

9 minutes ago, Calm said:

But I think it is a modern construct as well and yet I know I see there is massive pain at times because there is a lack of acceptance or even aggression targeting them. It is not a contradictory position to believe an identity has been developed culturally and to understand there is exclusion and other highly negative aspects.  Just look at any caste system, which is easily recognized as cultural, but extraordinarily damaging to those on the lower rungs. 

When someone consistently traffics in stereotypes about gay people, I tend to consider them as hostile at best. I have a gay son, and when I say anything here to stand up for him and call for tolerance, I’m called a useful idiot and an apologist for grooming. So, yes, that sounds like disdain to me. Do you really think I’m reading something that isn’t there?

And there’s a huge difference between acknowledging a human construct and dismissing someone’s lived experience as just something white people want you to believe. 

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, CA Steve said:

Ballet, track and gymnastic meets, ice skating competitions, and beauty contests should also be banned.

Unironically ban the last one.

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

back-slapping frat-boy pile-on

Excuse me.

Some of us are TRYING to keep the Law of Chastity here.

[Calm]

23 minutes ago, california boy said:

This seems to be the worst shot used as examples of why the drag show is inappropriate

I would think it is as much the movements combined as a particular snapshot position that could be problematic.  I can’t comment on what I haven’t seen, of course.

[Chum]

42 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Excuse me.

Some of us are TRYING to keep the Law of Chastity here.

[removed for regrooving]

Edited September 6, 2022 by Chum

[california boy]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I would think it is as much the movements combined as a particular snapshot position that could be problematic.  I can’t comment on what I haven’t seen, of course.

I absolutely agree.  Yet there are those that are willing to comment on the drag show shot as being in appropriate for family viewing, yet the exact same kind of shot of the Cogars gets minus thumbs down.  So tell me, why is one judged by one standard and the other one is not allowed?  

Both shots are taken out of context and are probably not appropriate.  But it does blatantly show the hypocrisy. 

[InCognitus]

27 minutes ago, california boy said:

I absolutely agree.  Yet there are those that are willing to comment on the drag show shot as being in appropriate for family viewing, yet the exact same kind of shot of the Cogars gets minus thumbs down.  So tell me, why is one judged by one standard and the other one is not allowed?  

Both shots are taken out of context and are probably not appropriate.  But it does blatantly show the hypocrisy. 

Not appropriate.  Not because of the images themselves or because of why you are asking the questions, but because of the inappropriate escalation of trying to find images that push the limits, on either side.

[Peacefully]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

But I think it is a modern construct as well and yet I know I see there is massive pain at times because there is a lack of acceptance or even aggression targeting them. It is not a contradictory position to believe an identity has been developed culturally and to understand there is exclusion and other highly negative aspects.  Just look at any caste system, which is easily recognized as cultural, but extraordinarily damaging to those on the lower rungs. 

I think the difference is I sense a lot of empathy in your posts.