california boy

You don’t really answer any of my questions. You only keep pasting your lists without explaining how you can reach those conclusions and skip the hard questions Then you fill the rest of your post talking about totally irrelevant things to the questions I asked including your contempt of higher education. Really? So I guess at this point, after multiple attempts to actually get answers I’m done trying. It seems pointless.

You have dodged the question several times. Still not clear answers. You say there is no spectrum, yet you list a spectrum of sexual possibilities. This is why I keep asking for clarification. You keep trying to pass this off as some very rare occurrence, yet it is estimated that 42 million people have some form of DSD. Let's look at the spectrum of sexuality you presented. How is this different than how trans people present themselves? How is this different than how trans people present themselves? This is someone who has female reproductive organs but can develop external genitalia more typical male direction. How is this different than a female transitioning to male? Female-appearing or ambiguous genitalia A small penis/clitoris-like structure A partially fused scrotum/labia A urethral opening in an atypical location Sounds again like someone who is trans. The hardest one to totally dismiss because a person has both ovarian and testicular tissue, sometimes in the same gonad (an ovotestis) and sometimes as separate ovaries and testes. they have both male and female characteristics. It is only through surgery that can be used to decide what sex they will present. Sometime it is an arbitrarily decision. It seems to me that people who are trans fit into very similar reproductive and presenting as some born with the various conditions you outlined. Trans people are either male or female but present like the conditions you outlined that occurs naturally. And the same problems concerning restrooms occur. While someone may be CAIS (46,XY): male. Testes, no uterus; body cannot use androgens, so the outside can look female. Do you insist that even they also are male, but present femaie use the male bathroom? Swyer (46,XY): Someone who has Swyer (46,xy) male pathway, streak gonads, female-typical external anatomy but are male but present female-typical anatomy from. birth. Do you force them to use a male bathroom even though they have a female anatomy? I guess you could take the position that trans people are either male or female but they choose to present differently than just their genetics. Just like the approximately 42 million people who fall into these classifications. You can dismiss that number as being unimportant, but would you also say that the number of people who identify as LDS is also unimportant? What is clear to me is there is a spectrum as you have listed.

A distraction? Or you can't answer the question. In you binary view on sex, are they male or female? If you can't answer that, then you can't keep claiming that all sex is binary. What has been central to this discussion is whether sex is binary or if there is a spectrum. You can reject the claim all you want. If you can't answer that simple question, then you are just ignoring concrete proof that sex is not always binary. We aren't talking about allowances. The question is very specific. What binary sex is someone who is intersexed. Your whole foundation of your position is that sex is binary. If intersexed individuals are not male or female, but rather both, then it totally disproves that sex is binary. So I am very interested in a real honest straight forward non dodge answer to a very simple question.

I am unclear which lane you picked. What binary lane do you put someone who is born intersexed?

Would you agree that not all people view sex as binary and not as clear cut as you want it to be? Who is correct on what that definition of sex is? Could it be that there is no right or wrong answer, just differences in opinion on what the definition of what a woman is and what a man is may differ with different people's life experiences? It is way more likely that a true blue Mormon would narrowly define sex as you have and a person with a more liberal background would have a more broad definition. Who's right and who's wrong? Given completely different point of views, I would say there are no hard answers to who is right. As proof of this truth, I offer you 21 pages of disagreement. Neither side is willing to change their opinion because language is fluid. Each side feels like they have a right to control that definition when in fact, no one has that power.

In related news, a Texas judge just struck down a law banning anyone under 18 from attending drag shows.

Even when the trans person looks more masculine than most of the men in the men's bathroom. Yeah that is going to make women believe there are men in their restroom. And you think that is preferred over using the restroom that matches how you present yourself. It won't. Yet the only people that are affected by not being able to use the restroom they present themselves as are trans. That may not be your intent, but that is exactly the result of your ban. Same with banning trans people. If a trans person grooms or abuses a minor, that person should be removed, reported and prosecuted. It is exactly the same. Banning people for possible crimes that might be committed apply to both cases. Of course. I totally agree. All crimes committed by anyone should be reported. Who doesn't agree with that? You keep narrowing down this issue to a black and white males in mens room, females in women's restrooms. But as has been shown numerous times, how a person looks makes a huge difference in how people perceive them. I know you like to not move one inch on this subject, but perhaps you would consider the following, keeping in mind what real trans people actually look like. So here is my proposal. All people must. used the sex listed on their drivers license or identity card. A person who is transitioning must be under physicians care and received hormonal therapy for 12 months or longer. If they have done that, their doctor must fill out a declaration that they are treating their patient who is in transition to their chosen sex. That document can be taken to the DMV and their license/ identity card adjusted to now meet the sex they present themselves as. This does a few very important things. It eliminates the crazy guy who just declares himself to be a woman in order to cruz in the women's restroom. It also allows those transitioning to not get harassed in the women's room for being in the wrong restroom. And women feel safer because they are assured that the person using the woman's bathroom is more interested in being a woman than just there to harass them. In many cases, women may not even realize someone is trans that is using the restroom, unlike current solution that forces masculine people into protected women's spaces. Can you just think about this before reverting to your diatribe that you seem to feel you need to repeat over and over again? Let's find a real solution that actually works better for everyone.

No but you want to ban ALL transgenders from using the bathroom that fits their sexuality. Would you be interested in banning all bishops from attending church? The list of Mormon bishops who have groomed and actually had sex with minors is way longer than your list of performances. Should we compare lists and then decide who gets to use bathrooms and who is allowed in churches?

Oh good. Let’s start judging all Mormon bishops by those who have raped women and groomed teenagers to have sex with them you do rather there are far more bishops who have groomed teenagers and rsprd women than transgenders doing drag shows and reading in libraries

Today we morn the loss of Dolly Parton. When others labeled her a whore, her own grandfather criticizing her looks to parents of her school friends, who thought she was “a bad influence,” as she wrote in her book. They said “you look more like a hooker than you do a singer.” Yet she lived her life and created the public image that SHE wanted to live and not worry about what others thought of her. She also reached out to children and gave more than 200 million books out to any child requesting them. Many probably forget the rage against Dolly Parton's persona that she deliberately chose to create. From a news article about her life. We all only have one life. There is no dress rehersal. Of all days, and of all the messages Dolly Parton gave in her life the greatest legacy she gave us is to be fearless and live our one life on our own terms and not let others keep you in the box they feel they must stay in. I get that there are some who only want to demonize those that are transgender and are willing to comb through the entire news events to find evidence to encourage others to make them out to be immoral, sexualized, grooming others etc. But a happy life lived is the greatest answer to that criticism. Dolly Parton lived her life in Drag. God bless Dolly Parton. God bless those that struggle to live their lives on their own terms despite the pushback they receive from others.

I've pretty much given up on you understanding this issue for what it really is. Drag queens do more than give performances in adult venues. It is not automatically sexualizing and grooming. It is about being ok with being different and not trying to fit into a little box that so many people like yourself try to force on anyone who is different than you. But I doubt me saying that will change your attacks even sightly.

You have totally misrepresented Analytics position After 18 pages of discussion, it is pretty clear that you don't really want to understand what the problems are with this kind of unnecessary law other than gin up the right wing public. Even showing you photos of what transgenders actually look like and why forcing someone who has transitioned to a man would cause way more upset and uncertainty. I think 18 pages of you constantly going back to square one is enough for me as well.

You keep going back to library Drag Queens. Can you explain how a child listening to a drag queen reading a story in a library with their parents there is in your mind grooming children? I honestly don't get why this is such an issue for you. How do you consider this grooming, but have no problem with adults taking their children to a nudist resort is perfectly ok with you. What the heck are drag queens in libraries doing to sexualize and groom children? If it is not hyperbole articles written by the right wing press, then what actually is driving your soapbox campaign?

Almost all of your arguments fall apart when you look at actual transgenders actually look like. People in public places base their assumptions of sex on appearance and not presenting their license or birth certificates.

it is think you is trying to legislate from the margins. The people I know and met that have transitioned do all they can to look the gender that they feel represents them. That is the vast majority of transgenders. And the ones I have met and know fall very close in line with what the photos Analytic has posted. That is the reality you are ignoring or passing off as not being that important. The whole reason why people transition is because they don't feel comfortable in their bodies they were born into. So they go though a very long expensive multi year process to change how they present to for the first time in their life, they feel comfortable with. The law you are championing has the opposite affect of exactly what you are presenting as the reason for the law if the point is to make women feel safe in a restroom. If in fact there is ANY person, male or female transitioned or cis is doing things in any restroom that is making people uncomfortable then they should not be allowed to use the facilities. THAT should be the intent of the legislation. How someone looks or identifies should not be a criteria of determining bad behavior. There are way too many variables to simply judge by a birth certificate. We don't pass laws against a class of people simply because how they look is uncomfortable for some.

oh sorry for the confusion. Thanks for correcting my mistake.

I found the numbers ChatGPT referred to. Maybe you could tell me which numbers in the report you could't find and I will try and look for them.

I came across a recent Pew Research report that sheds some light on this subject and thought it might be of interest to some of you. I ran it through ChatGPT to summarize the finding of the report. Any thoughts about the new statistical report or how ChatGPT summarized it?

It absolutely is about that. The Florida law takes the right of parents to decide what is appropriate for their children to see and puts that decision. under state control by criminalizing the decision a parent may make. I ask the question to see how you really feel about parents deciding what is best for the children. Do you find it difficult to understand how other parents might not want that narrow of upbringing and encourage their children to find their own lives and find their own path back to God.

So I guess from your answer, you find it difficult to understand how other parents might not want that narrow of upbringing and encourage their children to find their own lives and find their own path back to God. I already addressed your list in a previous post. Evidently you just ignored my answer.

What does this viewpoint mean to you and how do you deal with death before Adam and Eve?

So you see an equal comparison between a strip show where alcohol is served and patrons pay for lap dances in a bar setting the same as a drag queen reading children stories in a library or other family friendly evens or a pride parade? I do understand your point of view. The church is one that tries to define your life for you and sets out guidelines of how they believe your life should be lived down to what movies you should watch and how you should dress, what you should drink and eat and how you should spend your Sundays in a very controlled correlated script. Can you understand how other parents might not want that narrow of upbringing and encourage their children to find their own lives and find their own path back to God. The fact that you want authority over those choices dictating how they should raise their children to conform to your own personal point of view can be problematic

Would you be ok with live performances requiring parents to be present if a minor is viewing the performance? Or do you think the state is in a better position to know and understand the children of their own parents.

What is it specifically that you have seen happen at a drag show or a pride parade that makes you feel like the government should regulate it any more than it regulates explicit sexual acts, nudity and much more blatant immoral beavior in movies and on TV that is broadcast into homes of minors and are difficult for parents to control. After all, parents can choose to attend a drag show or pride parade with their children, but have a much more difficult time controlling what their children see in movies and on TV. Is the only difference is that drag shows and pride parades parents can make the choice and easily control what their children view as opposed to the graphic sex scenes and full frontal nudity that regularly occur in the movies and TV is that one is live and one is filmed???? Would you be ok with drag shows and pride parades being broadcast? Do you think that drag shows and pride parades are more explicit than nudity and sex shown on TV and movies? Could a drag show simulate sex acts as long as it was broadcasted?

There are reasons for laws that apply to general public safety such as age for alcohol Minors can get tattoos with parents consent, which is also appropriate and parents are capable of deciding what is appropriate for their own children. Child labor laws are put into place because parents have forced their children to work to help bring in money for the family and in doing so, may very well put their own need ahead of their children. Trying to control ponography in this day and age is a problem and is incredibly difficult for anyone to control. So your examples are not really issues that the state has taken over the rights of parents to have a say on how to raise their children. There are other reasons for state control. At least we can agree to that. Ok, let's talk about the list you have come up with that you feel gives presidents to the state to take over parental control. You do know that nudity is not illegal for minors with parent approval. Are you familiar with AANR, the national nudist association that encourages nudity for all ages including minors which has been operating in this country for over 90 years. They have over 180 resorts and camp grounds mostly in America as well as some internationally. Florida alone has Florida has dozens of organized nudist and clothing-optional resorts, communities, and campgrounds.Pasco County alone hosts around 13 major nudist resorts. All of the resorts affiliated with AANR are family friendly and allow minors. There are also hundreds of naked bike rides that occur around the country such as the one last week in Portland. Would you say that a Drag Show, Pride Parades, and all the other LGBT events you rail against more suggestive than people walking around naked in the presence of minors? Maybe you are not aware (sarcastically) but minors are constantly being exposed to all those heterosexual lewd sexual activities nightly pipped directly into their homes via streaming on their TV's, at the movies, billboard ads, magazines, on a daily. basis. Scenes of totally naked adults having sex exposing real breasts and other body parts are served up for the viewing of minors. Tell me, what specific sex acts have you seen adults perform at a drag show or pride parade that is not portrayed way more graphically and intimately nightly on every TV and movie theater in this country? Where is the outrage when parents allow THIS kind of sexual entertainment any night of the year with no need to go anywhere except their own living rooms? Yet you are outraged if parents are allowed to bring their children to a drag show or pride parade. So perhaps you can explain why you are so focused on live events and completely ignore sexual content in every single other format. Your list is pretty vague on what you mean by sexual excitement, lewd conduct and Lewd exposure of prosthetic or imitation genitals or breasts? i am having a hard time being outraged as you are by a drag show and a pride parade when minors are allowed to be exposed to all of those every single night of their lives on television, at the movies, on billboards, magazine ads etc that are far more explicit than someone dressed in drag or dancing in a speedo at a pride parade. Are you claiming now that pornography portrayal of sex is as graphic as a float going by with guys dressed in speedos? Or a strip club where men pay for lap dances and alcohol is served. That seems pretty far fetched. Maybe you could point to a LGBT event that is as graphic as your examples. Parents are empowered to have authority over their own children to control and monitor all sexual content, not the state. That is well established law in this country. Your neighbors, the city council, governor and any other elected official does not control what sex acts your children are allowed to view. When legislators start passing laws restricting parents right to allow children to view all sexual content bombarded at minors, outlawing R rated movies television programs, billboard and magazine ads and all the other constant bardment of heterosexual acts that currently have no such restrictions THEN you can stand on your soap box and demand that drag shows and pride parades be included in state controlled laws taking parents choices and guidance out of their hands. Is a sex act somehow not pornographic if a minor sees it on TV or at the movies? In short, my perspective is that you seem lazer focused on LGBT events with sexual content that parents willingly bring their children to, but have said nothing about the constant bonbardment of heterosexual content that occurs every single day where parents have far less control over what their children are exposed to. This is why many on this board find you constant attacks against the LGBT community but don't even acknowledge the sexual content minors are surrounded with that is completely legal and left for parents to deal with.