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This is how ridiculous things are and have been for some time now. Take a look at this news cast. https://www.mediamatters.org/newsmax/newsmax-host-gender-and-aliens-you-never-have-seen-alien-peeing-standing-movie sorry I haven't ever figured out how to insert a video clip. Here is part of his diatribe definitely referencing th ongoing transgender war propaganda

Here is an article that talks about the myth of a revival. There are a bunch of articles addressing this issue. https://www.christianpost.com/voices/is-the-christian-revival-a-myth-the-truth-over-the-viral-data.html There are also a bunch of articles about the myth that there is a religious revival in the U.S as well. Here is the summary from ChatGPT Recent claims of a U.S. religious revival, particularly among Gen Z, are largely a myth driven by anecdotal stories and misinterpreted data. Sociological data shows a stabilization of religious decline rather than a nationwide resurgence, with church attendance and belief remaining far lower than in previous decades. Nehor is dead on. right. Anyone feel like they are being manipulated?

Society meaning you, since almost 1 million people attend gay pride parade in San Francisco and find no problem with the event. And that doesn't even include the television audience. Perhaps you have an Utah bubble mentality on what you think is inappropriate and society should be outraged to meet your point of view. But that point of view is not necessarily universally agreed upon throughout the world or even this country. Maybe you are relying a bit too much on your echo chamber web sites you cruise if you think everything you mentioned is considered sexualizing children by the rest of society What is ironic is while that Utah outlook seems perfectly fine with polygamy, I don't think the majority of the world shares that same point of view. So maybe you can understand that you really can't assume "society" has a right and a duty to conform to your beliefs.

Well this conversation is going no where. I do not believe in sexualizing children. I also do not think all your examples are sexualizing children. I also believe parents themselves are the first arbitrators of what is or is not appropriate for their children. done.

wow you completely missed the whole point of my post. Not surprising when you have a one minded agenda I find your high horse morality judgement to be so totally lacking because you ignore completely other sexually charged events, celebrities, beaches, etc as somehow ok. And as a word of warning just incase you are completely ignorant of such things, but after spending 14 summers sailing in Europe, there are plenty of thongs, topless women, speedos, and naked people on the beaches there. I spent several of those years in Barcelona. In particular, there is a promenade that follows the beach the entire length of the city. Some of those beaches have 4 head shower where you can rinse off the sand. People strip totally naked and wouldn't even think of keeping their sandy bathing suits on. These showers are about 10' from the promenade with a constant stream of people and nothing blocking their view. Those poor european children must be scarred for life. I mean the beaches make any gay pride event definitely look way more G rated. Again, this just points out the diversity of how parents choose to raise their children. So yeah, my life experiences seems much different than yours. Maybe other parents have had a different life experience than you as well. And Do you think you know other people's children better than they do and should be able to dictate what they are allowed or not allowed to bring their children to? And In the video that you posted, there were also a lot of parents present at the drag show event. The fact that these events continue to be popular tells me that these parents choose to bring their children to these events more than once. Which means they are perfectly clear what their children are going to see. I have talked to some of these parents as well. They tell me about how much they enjoyed the event and how they were happy their children saw the parade. Why would they say that? Most respond that in their opinion, more than anything, gay pride events celebrate diversity. They celebrate that you can be different than that one single monolithic standard that you might have. People can have different ideas on how they choose to live their lives. Their children can made different decisions than the ones they have made. Frankly it is one of the biggest reasons why I love living in San Francisco. This is not a city that the population conforms to a very narrow dictation of how you are suppose to live your life. And just about everything else I posted. You are so worried that you wouldn't get your diatribe out which was really the only thing you wanted to do isn't it. Cut and pasted from anonymous posters on your narrow search for anything you think might stick. Totally ignoring the fact that almost a million people feel differently than your world view in just the San Francisco pride parade alone. Obviously you don't want a discussion, you want a chance to do your tired normal often repeated diatribe. Stay away from gay pride events. Don't go near them. Don't go to the Mediterranean. Don't go to Asia where their views on sexuality is very different than yours. Stay in your little Utah bubble. If no one came to these events, then you might have a point. And if you think what goes on is so horrible, shouldn't your anger be directed to the actual people who bring their children to the event? They must find something different going on that is more important than you do. I also might add that the San Francisco gay pride parade is televised locally. Do you think it might be possible that your far right web sites might be trying to stir up as much prejudice as possible by bias reporting of the events?

Horrified. I know there are guys that experienced this still living. Research or not, those showing child ponography should go to jail.

I have a friend that is 22 years old. Just graduated from University and has his first job that is a fantastic job in the tech business. He got his degree in Southern California, but other than his college years, has always lived with his parents. He has been a straight A student his whole life. His family is Asian and very traditional. They have huge expectations on him and at this point he has lived up to those expectations. Now that he has graduated and has a great job, they are putting not so subtle pressure for him to find a wonderful woman and start a family. But he is gay. It is one of the main reasons why he got his own apartment. He is terrified to tell his parents. Sometimes statistics on how many people accept gay marriage or are friendly to the LGBT community really doesn't matter. If you can't understand that, then I am afraid nothing I will say will get you to understand that sometimes statistics are meaningless.

I am going to sum up my answer to your lengthy post by putting some perspective on all of your examples. I haven't gone to a lot of pride parades. And the only one I have been to is the one held in San Francisco. A couple were enough for me because they tend to be pretty repetitive. If you have seen one, you have seen them all. That said, the San Francisco pride parade brings in about 1 million people, which is pretty insane. Evidently a lot of people love the parade and the vibe that surrounds the event. I did notice that many parents bring their kids to the parade. They are the parents, not me, not you, but them. In the video that you posted, there were also a lot of parents present at the drag show event. The fact that these events continue to be popular tells me that these parents choose to bring their children to these events more than once. Which means they are perfectly clear what their children are going to see. I have talked to some of these parents as well. They tell me about how much they enjoyed the event and how they were happy their children saw the parade. Why would they say that? Most respond that in their opinion, more than anything, gay pride events celebrate diversity. They celebrate that you can be different than that one single monolithic standard that you might have. People can have different ideas on how they choose to live their lives. Their children can made different decisions than the ones they have made. Frankly it is one of the biggest reasons why I love living in San Francisco. This is not a city that the population conforms to a very narrow dictation of how you are suppose to live your life. I remember visiting my brother several years ago when he was living in Sandy Utah. Like a lot of neighborhoods in Utah, the Mormon church was just a couple of blocks from his house, 10 mutes before church was about to start, almost every garage door in the neighborhood went up, a Surban pulled out, there was literally a traffic jam on the block for about 5 minutes until everyone was in the church parking lot. Quite honestly it freaked me out. It is definitely not the environment I want to live or the environment I wanted to raise my children. So maybe in Utah, everyone has the exact same agreed upon prescribed way their children should be raised, but personally, I find life way more full and interesting and prefer to have diversity in opinions and ideas of how people raise their children. Since you asked, I do personally believe that not every pride type event is suitable for every child. Even in a single family, for some children it would be acceptable and for others not. I think the biggest pushback I am going to give you is you seem to be condemning the events offered but say noting about the choices the parents are making. Do you believe all gay pride type events should be stopped because some parents are ok with their children attending? Do you think you know other peoples children better than they do and should be able to dictate what they are allowed or not allowed to bring their children to? My suggestion? Don't take your children to gay pride type events. You seem to think it is inappropriate to them. And I respect that decision. But I don't think you have the right to tell about 1 million people that a gay pride type event is harmful to their children and the event should not allow anyone under 21 to attend. And you don't have the right to judge others based on what you think is acceptable. I find your high horse morality judgement to be so totally lacking because you ignore completely other sexually charged events, celebrities, beaches, etc as somehow ok. And as a word of warning just incase you are completely ignorant of such things, but after spending 14 summers sailing in Europe, there are plenty of thongs, topless women, speedos, and naked people on the beaches there. I spent several of those years in Barcelona. In particular, there is a promenade that follows the beach the entire length of the city. Some of those beaches have 4 head shower where you can rinse off the sand. People strip totally naked and wouldn't even think of keeping their sandy bathing suits on. These showers are about 10' from the promenade with a constant stream of people and nothing blocking their view. Those poor european children must be scarred for life. I mean the beaches make any gay pride event definitely look way more G rated. Again, this just points out the diversity of how parents choose to raise their children. So yeah, my life experiences seems much different than yours. Maybe other parents have had a different life experience than you as well.

So the experiment was to tease the gays to see what turns them on the most and they concluded that naked men were preferred over pictures of David??? This is like asking if rain is really water. I've never been turned on sexually by the statue of David. Naked men? duh. The whole thing sounds like those doing the electrical shock should have been the ones needing to be experimented on.

I don't quite understand this. You admit that drag shows are not inherently "sexual" but you object to them because Drag shows are frequently and deliberately sexualized??? Yet you seem to object to any child even seeing a drag queen. Not because it is inherently sexual, but because the person in drag is a gay man dressed as a woman. Would that be correct? Do you also object when women wear male clothing like suits, tuxedos, mens shirts etc? Every drag show that has adult humor I have ever seen that were all held in a bar or night club that served alcohol. By the very nature of their location, no minors are allowed into bars, so no children are seeing drag shows that are meant for adult entertainment. Have you ever seen a "drag show" of this nature somewhere other than a bar? If you have seen such a show, were the child's parents present also? Have you ever seen a drag queen read a story in a library to children where the parents were not also present? How about instead of rant, a regular bringing up of the evils of drag shows and how harmful it is to children because, well, they aren't inherently sexual, children should not be exposed to anything you disapprove of. Yeah me too. But as you said, drag queens are not inherently sexual. So why do you keep attacking them as harmful to children? Hypercritical is definitely the right word. Hypocritical is how you label your remarks. I can see your point. Yet, it seems pretty accurate if you have this campaign against drag shows as being inappropriate for children because it is sexual, but don't pick up the crusade against women dressed in provocative bikinis, entertainers like Dolly Pardon, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Cher, and well just about every other entertainer, playing with Barbie dolls, going to proms, perfume ads, movies stars, even old ones like Mae West, Marliyn Monroe, Sophia Loren, Gretta Garbo, and on and on. and are only hypercritical of anything LGBT related that you think is sexualized. Usually town down the raunch reading stories to children in a library???? How often do drag queens get raunchy in libraries ready stories to children??? Seriously, you have some issues you really need to evaluate more carefully

You seem to be clueless on this issue since you repeat the phrase "I don't know what this means" Of course you do. Because every gay person just loves choosing to be gay and all the crap that comes with it. Have you read your comments not only on this thread but every single thread you start that is designed to attach the LGBT community? Any support for the LGBT community is certainly not coming from you and your ilk.

Oh so your objection against drag queens is that they dress sexually. Do you go on similar campaigns against women dressed in provocative bikinis, entertainers like Dolly Pardon, Taylor Swift, Beyonce, Cher, and well just about every other entertainer, playing with Barbie dolls, going to proms, perfume ads, movies stars, even old ones like Mae West, Marliyn Monroe, Sophia Loren, Gretta Garbo, and on and on. Where are your rants for any of those sexualized behavior? Why do you only focus on the LGBT community? Sounds so hypercritical to me. Butt hey, if we could just make it illegal for drag queens to ready stories in the library, no child would be traumatized by seeing something like that.

Maybe all you "I don't know what this means" explains why you have very little understanding of what it is like grow up hating that you are gay and why can't I just be normal like everyone else. It is a battle that everyone who is gay fights within themselves until they realize that no matter how hard they try, what aversion therapy they are willing to go to, what electrical shock therapy they are willing to try, what loss of family and friends this will mean in their lives, how much they are bullied by not only their peers but adults, at the end of the day they will still be gay. Healing from that trauma are the first steps in realizing that it is ok to be gay, even if it seems the whole world wants to shame you out of it.

We have seen you taking shots at drag queens numerous times. It seems to be one of you go to arguments to gin up people against the LGBT community. I wondered what the comparison would be between drag queens and Mormon bishops convicted of child abuse. Even I was shocked by the results. This is what Chat GBT reported. Maybe you should reconsider your regular degrading and unfounded disparity of the horrible drag queens. I think I might just keep this research as a reminder every time you feel the need to attack this group.

Sorry. Double post

This is exactly why the vast majority of queer people leave the church. It is all cut and dried until the moment you find out your child is gay. Then everything becomes a bit murky. Do you lock them up in their room and never allow them to date? Do you forbid them from having a boyfriend if they are gay And if they don't do what you ask, how do you enforce your will upon them? Would you encourage them to not get married? Would you be supportive of their decisions?

This is the question I asked. Do you think most LDS parents tell their children that they don't care if they are straight, gay, lesbian, or bi as long as they don't have sexual relations until after they are married? Maybe I wasn't clear, the part I wanted you to tell me what you thought about that question is this part: Do you think most LDS parents tell their children that they don't care if they are straight, gay, lesbian, or bi I am acknowledging that observant members would expect no sex until after marriage. So you can skip that part of the question, but I would like a response to the part you didn't address. That wasn't really the question I asked. I accept that members want their children to only have sex after marriage. Why would members not approach the subject of whether their children would or should marry if their children are gay or lesbian. Do you think that not addressing marriage is a normal response from a believing member? How would you handle it? Even if they are minors? Just curious. A couple of other followup questions I am curious about. Do you think a gay or lesbian minor should tell their parents their orientation? Or pretend to be straight until they move out of the house? You mentioned to Nehor that you thought a drag queen reading a story in a library was highly sexual and children shouldn't be exposed to those kinds of sexual situations. What do you think is more sexual to straight children, a drag queen or a bunch of women/children at the beach in very revealing bikinis? Should children not be allowed to go to the beach?

Do you think most LDS parents tell their children that they don't care if they are straight, gay, lesbian, or bi as long as they don't have sexual relations until after they are married? Oh and if you are gay or lesbian, we just hope you. never marry? If you do that, then we are absolutely ok with your choices.

I hope the church still isn't pushing people into conversion therapy.

Unfortunately yes. Not formally like in the past, but it seems to still be a tactic that is sometimes is still relied upon. According to David Archuleta in his 2026 memoir Devout and related interviews, the late Mormon Apostle M. Russell Ballard advised David Archeletia he just needed to find a "good girl" to marry, implying it would help or "cure" his same-sex attraction. I have heard from others more recently that they are still getting that same counsel. Probably a lot of that has to do with bishop roulette. The good part is these days, a lot of members including queer people aren't automatically trusting what the church tells them to do anymore. That is so harmful and leads to marriages that almost always end in disaster. You aren't doing the spouse and the children of those marriages any favors either.

I am going to say this is all caps. CONVERSION THERAPY NEVER CONVERTS SOMEONE WHO IS GAY TO BE STRAIGHT. IT DOES HOWEVER CAUSE REAL HARMFUL BELIEFS THAT TAKE SOMETIMES YEARS TO OVERCOME. And the church is right in the middle of encouraging this false and harmful belief. Some are claiming that it is just talk and a teen can decide for themselves if what the therapist is telling them is true or not. But that is not how it works. You all know the lies church leaders told me to get me to marry a woman, telling me that being gay would just disappear. Does those that think being gay can be fixed like these church leaders think because of their position of authority? They are severely harming the lives of not only the queer person, they are also causing havoc in the life of the spouse that also trusts their claims. It causes harm to any children they may have. It causes harm to the larger family. There is a reason why conversion therapy was made illegal in the majority of states. Someone may have the constitutional right under free speech to say whatever they want to, but that doesn't mean that in doing so, they can cause horrific consequences. According to this ruling, a therapist has the constitutional right to counsel a patient to believe suicide is a viable solution to solving their problems. Free speech and all that. The destruction conversion therapy is so well known with countless lives both within and outside the church I don't need to repeat something that has been said so many other times. Challenge me on this and I will be glad to regurgitate countless stories of peoples lives that have been wrecked by going down this path, including my own life. I hate that there are still people defending and promoting this terrible harmful practice.

I have never heard of ancient Egyptians trading with South America. I asked Chatgbt. Here is the answer I got. Short answer: No—there’s no credible evidence that ancient Egyptians traded with South Americans. So where is this evidence that caused you to make this statement?

First I want to thank you SMAC, Ryan and Calm for responding to my post. I have read and thought about what has been posted on this subject and for me personally it seemed like very strained answers to some very simple scriptures that outline the monetary system of the Nephites. I guess you can figure out a rational for just about anything if you work at it hard enough. I realize your point of view is probably different than my conclusion. The AI response that Analytics posted seems much more logical and seems to fit what the verses were talking about to me. I admit that I am not vested in having to believe the BoM is true. It allows me a much more straight forward reading of what was said. That said, I appreciate that you all have found a way to resolve the issue for yourselves. And in the end, it is you all that are vested in the commitment to believe. It is not my 10% and countless hours being committed to the Church. So I guess the important thing to consider is as long as you are ok with the answers you have stated, isn't that all that matters.

I know the chapter headings are not canonized. But what those headings are is what those in charge of summerizing the BoM believe that is what the chapter is about. Are you saying that the chapter heading no longer says the chapter is about the monetary system of the Nephites? You are welcome to think that exact measures of precious metal lumps that have a fixed value that are not coins if you want was their currency. Yet nothing like that also has ever been found even though the BoM claims to be a civilization that existed for 1000 years.

Do you think the chapter heading is in error? How would you title that chapter?