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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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3 hours ago, Duncan said:

Does God inspire nepotism? I hope not. He was born in 1966 so he'll be around for awhile yet. I have seen inspiration in callings and I have seen not that

Have you looked at the original OT and many other OT and BoM prophets?  It passed down to father to son to brother or grandson. James the brother of Jesus was a top NT church official; once Peter was, gone the top.  Israel is all one family’s descendants. 
 

One of the best ways to learn a job/calling is watching others do it. Family members tend to have the best view. 

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Duncan Grand Master

Duncan

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3 minutes ago, Calm said:

Have you looked at the original OT and many other OT and BoM prophets?  It passed down to father to son to brother or grandson. James the brother of Jesus was a top NT church official.  Israel is all one family’s descendants. 
 

One of the best ways to learn a job/calling is watching others do it. Family members tend to have the best view. 

that's what I was saying earlier, the proximity principle, tiny pool but proximity nonetheless

JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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4 minutes ago, Calm said:

Have you looked at the original OT and many other OT and BoM prophets?  It passed down to father to son to brother or grandson. James the brother of Jesus was a top NT church official.  Israel is all one family’s descendants. 

I personally believe Christ has direct mortal descendants walking the earth today.

Calm Grand Master

Calm

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4 minutes ago, Duncan said:

that's what I was saying earlier, the proximity principle, tiny pool but proximity nonetheless

By the time Alma is the prophet, seems like membership was good size and yet he chose his son, who used to persecute the Church, to lead it. 

Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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President Jean B. Bingham gave a wonderful talk about the Restoration bringing back the pattern of the Garden of Eden with men and women working in partnership and neither in a subservient role to the other. 
 

And I love that she eschews the singular they/them/their pronouns! She is very refined in her manner of speech. 

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Calm Grand Master

Calm

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6 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

I personally believe Christ has direct mortal descendants walking the earth today.

We are likely all direct if he does. 

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JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said:

President Jean B. Bingham gave a wonderful talk about the Restoration bringing back the pattern of the Garden of Eden with men and women working in partnership and neither in a subservient role to the other. 

I'm telling you there is some change regarding women and priesthood coming.  It may not be ecclesiastical ordination as we currently see with men but something is clearly on their minds.

california boy Grand Master

california boy

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4 hours ago, Duncan said:

yes and Matthew Holland as a new GA, but we don't believe in nepotism, no, no🤔 you wonder with all these relations if these guys can get jobs on their own with help from Dad

I wasn't going to comment on this issue because I personally couldn't care less, but it feels like others are dismissing your point as not being as prevalent as it actually is.  This might be interesting to you.  

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How does the current Presidency and Quorum of Twelve Apostles measure up? 100% of them are related in some way to current or former general authorities of the LDS Church. In the top 2 leading quorums – consisting of 15 men (The First Presidency and the Quorum of Twelve Apostles), five of these men are directly related to each other. Four are related to each other by marriage. Four are directly related to former LDS Presidents. Five are directly related to former apostles. Two are married to wives who are direct descendants of former presidents. Five are married to wives who are directly related to former apostles. Seven are married to wives who are relatives of current general authorities or of their wives. The only apostle who has no blood ties to any other general authority is Apostle Richard G. Scott. But, true to form, his wife is related to several current general authorities and even descends from a former LDS apostle.

Not sure when the quote was written. It looks like things are starting to change a little.  In recent years, the Church seems to be trying to reach out to others outside that tight group.  The person who wrote the article added this addendum.  There may be more like this since the addendum was added.  

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Addendum: On 2 October 2004, President Gordon B. Hinckley presented Dieter F. Uchtdorf and David A. Bednar to the LDS Church as new apostles following the deaths of David Haight and Neil Maxwell earlier in the year. I have been unable to ascertain any extended family ties to current or past LDS General Authorities for either of these men or their wives. On 6 October 2007, Quentin L. Cook was presented as a new apostle after the death of James Faust. Elder Cook and his wife both have multiple ties to current and past General Authorities, including former President Spencer W. Kimball, former Apostle Heber C. Kimball, and former Presiding Bishop Edward Hunter.

 

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MustardSeed Grand Master

MustardSeed

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15 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

I'm telling you there is some change regarding women and priesthood coming.  It may not be ecclesiastical ordination as we currently see with men but something is clearly on their minds.

I think the opposite.  Imo they are being pretty clear that we need to use what we have more correctly. 

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Scott Lloyd Grand Master

Scott Lloyd

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16 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

I'm telling you there is some change regarding women and priesthood coming.  It may not be ecclesiastical ordination as we currently see with men but something is clearly on their minds.

The talk that President Oaks is giving now, clarifying the doctrine of the priesthood as it pertains to men and women, tells me that there will be no changes by way of priesthood ordination of women. 

JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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3 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I think the opposite.  Imo they are being pretty clear that we need to use what we have more correctly. 

It can be both.  But I agree with you.

Duncan Grand Master

Duncan

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4 minutes ago, california boy said:

I wasn't going to comment on this issue because I personally couldn't care less, but it feels like others are dismissing your point as not being as prevalent as it actually is.  This might be interesting to you.  

Not sure when the quote was written. It looks like things are starting to change a little.  In recent years, the Church seems to be trying to reach out to others outside that tight group.  The person who wrote the article added this addendum.  There may be more like this since the addendum was added.  

 

Thank you!!! One thing interesting about Elder Richard Scott, his Dad was some kind of assistant to Ezra Taft Benson, when he was in Washington in the 1950's and so no surprise that in 1988? guess who calls Elder Scott to the Twelve? Pres. Benson

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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24 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

President Jean B. Bingham gave a wonderful talk about the Restoration bringing back the pattern of the Garden of Eden with men and women working in partnership and neither in a subservient role to the other. 
 

And I love that she eschews the singular they/them/their pronouns! She is very refined in her manner of speech. 

NOOOOOO! Embrace the singular! It makes things so much simpler!

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JLHPROF Grand Master

JLHPROF

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1 minute ago, Scott Lloyd said:

The talk that President Oaks is giving now, clarifying the doctrine of the priesthood as it pertains to men and women, tells me that there will be no changes by way of priesthood ordination of women. 

I don't think it's ordination yet.  A stepping stone by way of more shared responsibility seems a more likely move.

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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8 minutes ago, california boy said:

I wasn't going to comment on this issue because I personally couldn't care less, but it feels like others are dismissing your point as not being as prevalent as it actually is.  This might be interesting to you.  

Not sure when the quote was written. It looks like things are starting to change a little.  In recent years, the Church seems to be trying to reach out to others outside that tight group.  The person who wrote the article added this addendum.  There may be more like this since the addendum was added.  

 

Yeah, but that is a weird stretch in many ways. I know we are big on families but many of those family ties are second and third cousins , some by marriage. That being nepotism is a bit of a stretch. I cannot even tell you who most of my second cousins are. I think I know two of them and there are almost a hundred of them.

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Tacenda Grand Master

Tacenda

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3 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Thanks for that! Needed a good chuckle!

I love the humor too, I hope it doesn't go away.

The Nehor Grand Master

The Nehor

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51 minutes ago, Duncan said:

that's what I was saying earlier, the proximity principle, tiny pool but proximity nonetheless

And God cannot move people into a position to train them for other responsibilities and to meet the leaders to choose them?

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I was so deeply moved by the prophet.  I know he is a man of God, inspired.  What a remarkable man.  I’m crying here- I rarely cry,  it feels great to feel this deeply. 

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