JLHPROF Posted March 20, 2020 Posted March 20, 2020 https://ksltv.com/?p=433602 What do we think? The start of fulfillment of prophecy? President Brigham Young: Do you think there is calamity abroad now among the people? Not much. All we have yet heard and all we have experienced is scarcely a preface to the sermon that is going to be preached. When the testimony of the Elders ceases to be given, and the Lord says to them, "Come home; I will now preach my own sermons to the nations of the earth," all you now know can scarcely be called a preface to the sermon that will be preached with fire and sword, tempests, earthquakes, hail, rain, thunders and lightnings, and fearful destruction. What matters the destruction of a few railway cars? You will hear of magnificent cities, now idolized by the people, sinking in the earth, entombing the inhabitants. The sea will heave itself beyond its bounds, engulfing mighty cities. Famine will spread over the nations, and nation will rise up against nation, kingdom against kingdom, and states against states, in our own country and in foreign lands. (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8, p. 123, July 15, 1860) Elder Orson Pratt: When God has called out the righteous, when the warning voice has been sufficiently proclaimed among tile Gentile nations, and the Lord says, "It is enough," he will also say to his servants—"O, ye, my servants, come home, come out from the midst of these Gentile nations, where you have labored and borne testimony for so long a period; come out from among them, for they are not worthy; they do not receive the message that I have sent forth, they do not repent of their sins, come out from their midst, their times are fulfilled. Seal up the testimony among them and bind up the law." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 18, p. 64, July 25, 1875) Elder Heber C. Kimball: The judgments of God will be poured out upon the wicked to the extent that our elders from far and near will be called home. Or, in other words, the gospel will be taken from the Gentiles and later on will be carried to the Jews. (Deseret News, Church Department, May 23, 1931, p. 3) 2
Popular Post Calm Posted March 21, 2020 Popular Post Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) I interpret the prophecies given what has been said in other texts as referring to a time when missionaries are being rejected, there is pretty much nothing to harvest. Given the success missionaries are having in certain parts of the world, I see this more as a blip than a fulfillment of those prophecies. Missionary work is continuing as well, just in a limited way. Edited March 21, 2020 by Calm 5
InCognitus Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) And technically, they aren't being called "home" yet, but they may need to return to their "home nations", but they will "continue their service": Quote In the coming weeks, based upon world conditions, substantial numbers of missionaries will likely need to be returned to their home nations to continue their service. This will be done in a systematic way based on the urgency of travel restrictions, level of COVID-19 concern, and other considerations. See: https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/covid-19-further-adjustments-missionary-work Edited March 21, 2020 by InCognitus 2
rpn Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 They aren't being called home. They are being reassigned to home countries because of worldwide travel bans. (Some with underlying health conditions have been released from missionary service.) 2
Rain Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Many healthy missionaries ARE being called home. The ones being reassigned have been out for less time. Not saying that it means a anything for the topic, just that for many, many of them this is the end of their proselytizing missions and it has nothing to do with their own physical or mental health. Edited March 21, 2020 by Rain 1
JLHPROF Posted March 21, 2020 Author Posted March 21, 2020 It's kind of hard not to see a parallel after an earthquake this week, a worldwide pandemic, and now a lot of missionaries being brought home. Prophecies don't always get fulfilled how we think. Maybe this is just the first step in the Lord "preaching his own sermons". 2
longview Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 Just need to wait for the SARS-Covid-19 to burn out in the warm months in northern hemisphere (I suppose the southern hemisphere will start to be afflicted in their upcoming winter season). Will the coronavirus mutate sufficiently or for the "herd" to develop a stronger immune response and lower the death rate? At worse this will take a couple of years. See how the quinine medicine works out. It does not help for the dominant media to foment hysteria and panic among the populace (just to try to destroy the orange guy in office).
Rain Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: It's kind of hard not to see a parallel after an earthquake this week, a worldwide pandemic, and now a lot of missionaries being brought home. Prophecies don't always get fulfilled how we think. Maybe this is just the first step in the Lord "preaching his own sermons". 2 earthquakes though the only reason I know about the Indonesia 6.2 was because I was looking at the Salt Lake one at usgs.gov.
Teancum Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: It's kind of hard not to see a parallel after an earthquake this week, a worldwide pandemic, and now a lot of missionaries being brought home. Prophecies don't always get fulfilled how we think. Maybe this is just the first step in the Lord "preaching his own sermons". Earthquakes happen all the time.Salt Lake is in a high earthquake prone zone. Nothing new here.
Calm Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, JLHPROF said: It's kind of hard not to see a parallel after an earthquake this week.... Earthquakes outside of Utah don’t matter when it comes to prophecy? Because they have been going on quite a bit for quite a while longer, including much stronger ones. And missionaries preparing to go out still as well as teaching online whether staying in place or from a mission inside their home country negates the “brought home” context for the current event imo. Edited March 21, 2020 by Calm
Calm Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) Earthquake locations and intensity for the past 100 years, up to 2017 Earthquakes 8 and stronger for the past 100 years (FYI, Utah’s wouldn’t be on here even if it was up to date) Edited March 21, 2020 by Calm
provoman Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 "the Lord says to them, "Come home; I will now preach my own sermons to the nations of the earth," I think that is an important aspect, missionaries are returning to their home countries, however, the missionary pegram continues. 1
Calm Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, JLHPROF said: now a lot of missionaries being brought home. Are they ceasing to give their testimony though? Is anyone in the Church leadership doing so? If not, it doesn't seem to match your quotes. Quote When the testimony of the Elders ceases to be given, and the Lord says to them, "Come home; I will now preach my own sermons to the nations of the earth," Gentiles are still receiving, quite strongly in some areas...and these areas haven't been areas of extended teachings yet either. Quote these Gentile nations, where you have labored and borne testimony for so long a period; come out from among them, for they are not worthy; they do not receive the message that I have sent forth, You can't take part of a prophecy and ignore the rest. Edited March 21, 2020 by Calm
Stargazer Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 6 hours ago, JLHPROF said: It's kind of hard not to see a parallel after an earthquake this week, a worldwide pandemic, and now a lot of missionaries being brought home. Prophecies don't always get fulfilled how we think. Maybe this is just the first step in the Lord "preaching his own sermons". As I've mentioned elsewhere, that SLC earthquake was kind of minor. It was noteworthy only because of the location, which doesn't see a lot of quakes. In fact, the earth seems to me to be rather seismically quiet at the moment. Looking at the USGS earthquake map things look pretty normal.
bsjkki Posted March 21, 2020 Posted March 21, 2020 (edited) The church is chartering a plane to get the missionaries in Africa home. Edited March 21, 2020 by bsjkki 1
Robert J Anderson Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 How much do we know about this virus? We know that the overwhelming majority of those of missionary age will only experience mild symptoms, if they notice them at all. Yet, critics caught up in the mass hysteria will claim that missionaries are like door to door carriers of the virus. So, politically, perhaps the prudent thing to do is bring them home, even though that adds to the hysteria.
Hamba Tuhan Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 19 hours ago, longview said: Just need to wait for the SARS-Covid-19 to burn out in the warm months in northern hemisphere (I suppose the southern hemisphere will start to be afflicted in their upcoming winter season). I hate to disappoint you, but the virus is spreading just fine in the southern hemisphere already, with our epidemiological curve tracking locations in the northern hemisphere. Edited March 22, 2020 by Hamba Tuhan 2
longview Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I hate to disappoint you, but the virus is spreading just fine in the southern hemisphere already, with our epidemiological curve tracking locations in the northern hemisphere. Australia has a population of 24.6 million but the number of cases is 1353 (infection rate of .0055%, only a infinitessimal fraction). Tom Hanks is 63 years old making him a senior citizen. He probably contracted the virus before coming to Australia. Countries of the southern hemisphere have the advantage of more lead time to prepare for the global pandemic. Australia Coronavirus Cases: 1,353 Deaths: 7 Recovered: 46 Edited March 22, 2020 by longview
The Nehor Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, longview said: Australia has a population of 24.6 million but the number of cases is 1353 (infection rate of .0055%, only a infinitessimal fraction). Tom Hanks is 63 years old making him a senior citizen. He probably contracted the virus before coming to Australia. Countries of the southern hemisphere have the advantage of more lead time to prepare for the global pandemic. Australia Coronavirus Cases: 1,353 Deaths: 7 Recovered: 46 Give it a month. Australia is still in the early stages. People are acting like numbers now show how far it will spread even when the patient zeros for the area only showed up about a month ago. 1
The Nehor Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 On 3/21/2020 at 10:42 AM, longview said: Just need to wait for the SARS-Covid-19 to burn out in the warm months in northern hemisphere (I suppose the southern hemisphere will start to be afflicted in their upcoming winter season). Will the coronavirus mutate sufficiently or for the "herd" to develop a stronger immune response and lower the death rate? At worse this will take a couple of years. See how the quinine medicine works out. It does not help for the dominant media to foment hysteria and panic among the populace (just to try to destroy the orange guy in office). That medicine will hopefully only be used in severe cases. It is not a panacea and there have not been any controlled tests yet. The initial success looks hopeful but it may or may not pan out scientifically. The side effects of it can be very nasty so it is not going to be used generally.
bsjkki Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) In an abundance of caution, I deleted this. Edited March 23, 2020 by bsjkki 1
bluebell Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 On 3/21/2020 at 3:08 PM, Calm said: Are they ceasing to give their testimony though? Is anyone in the Church leadership doing so? If not, it doesn't seem to match your quotes. Gentiles are still receiving, quite strongly in some areas...and these areas haven't been areas of extended teachings yet either. You can't take part of a prophecy and ignore the rest. The missionaries that are coming back from foreign missions are mostly being sent out again to state side missions, so they aren’t really being called home in the sense that the prophecy speaks about either. 1
bsjkki Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 11 minutes ago, bluebell said: The missionaries that are coming back from foreign missions are mostly being sent out again to state side missions, so they aren’t really being called home in the sense that the prophecy speaks about either. Give it a week. (JK...hopefully) 2
Hamba Tuhan Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 Our ward had a convert baptism yesterday. One is planned in a neighbouring ward for this Saturday. 2
rodheadlee Posted March 22, 2020 Posted March 22, 2020 (edited) On 3/21/2020 at 11:36 AM, Calm said: Earthquake locations and intensity for the past 100 years, up to 2017 Earthquakes 8 and stronger for the past 100 years (FYI, Utah’s wouldn’t be on here even if it was up to date) They are missing an earthquake.The Eastern Seaboard had one in 2011. I don't recall the size and epicenter but we felt it in Annapolis ,MD. 5.8 August 23,2011 Louisa,Va Edited March 22, 2020 by rodheadlee
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