nuclearfuels Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 If two people who never heard of the gospel help the poor, the needy, the sick, etc. they get blessed, right? Every blessing is predicated upon obedience to the law upon which it is predicated. If three non-LDS people enter a polygamous marriage and raise children in a good, healthy way, are they not helping fulfill God's command to multiply and replenish the earth? If a non-LDS person helps another non-LDS person, doesn't that help, that service, result in blessings and smile emojis in the silent-notes taken by angels above us?
InCognitus Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 29 minutes ago, JAHS said: Yes No Yes Case closed (smile). "All things which are good cometh of God" (Moroni 7:12) 1
sunstoned Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 We are who we are. We help others because that is the right thing to do. Not because we get brownie points in heaven. There is no ledger book of good deeds in heaven. We are not judged on a curve. That is the stuff of man made organizations and religions. The gospel of Christ transcends religions. The New Testament teaches universal truths. These truths are far above the minutiae of pharisaical rules of what to eat or not to eat or how many steps to take on the sabbath day. 3
JLHPROF Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 53 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said: If two people who never heard of the gospel help the poor, the needy, the sick, etc. they get blessed, right? Every blessing is predicated upon obedience to the law upon which it is predicated. If three non-LDS people enter a polygamous marriage and raise children in a good, healthy way, are they not helping fulfill God's command to multiply and replenish the earth? If a non-LDS person helps another non-LDS person, doesn't that help, that service, result in blessings and smile emojis in the silent-notes taken by angels above us? Every blessing is predicated upon obedience to the law upon which it is predicated. Scenario B is disobedient to law.
sunstoned Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 What about doing good without the need to expect blessings. I fully believe that when we die, it is over. No heaven, no hell, no judgement, no eternal polygamy, no 37 virgins, no nothing. Yet, in my own imperfect small way I do try to do good to others. Just like the millions of people do and have done for centuries. Many of which are non believers in religion or god.
The Nehor Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 1 minute ago, sunstoned said: What about doing good without the need to expect blessings. Probably a myth. 3
MustardSeed Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, sunstoned said: What about doing good without the need to expect blessings. I fully believe that when we die, it is over. No heaven, no hell, no judgement, no eternal polygamy, no 37 virgins, no nothing. Yet, in my own imperfect small way I do try to do good to others. Just like the millions of people do and have done for centuries. Many of which are non believers in religion or god. I am cynical enough to believe we don’t do a single thing that doesn’t, in some way, benefit us somehow. 2
The Nehor Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I am cynical enough to believe we don’t do a single thing that doesn’t, in some way, benefit us somehow. Seeing how self-destructive humanity is I think it is more the exception than the rule.
mrmarklin Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 I would answer yes to all three. The second example is providing a body to a Spirit and that is good, right? Other blessings may follow if a child is raised in a good moral manner, with some offset for thinking polygamy is currently OK. 1
strappinglad Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, sunstoned said: no 37 virgins It's 72 virgins my friend. 1
sunstoned Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 6 minutes ago, strappinglad said: It's 72 virgins my friend. I stand corrected. I am sure that number means something to someone is some religion
sunstoned Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, MustardSeed said: I am cynical enough to believe we don’t do a single thing that doesn’t, in some way, benefit us somehow. I believe this. What goes around comes around. Nothing to do with god though.
sunstoned Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Probably a myth. Maybe. But in the end, who really knows?
The Nehor Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 55 minutes ago, strappinglad said: It's 72 virgins my friend. Compromise and go with 42?
Meadowchik Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Every blessing is predicated upon obedience to the law upon which it is predicated. Scenario B is disobedient to law. Part may be disobedience, but other parts can be obedient. So whatever good they accomplish can bear good fruit. 2
Metis_LDS Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 6 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: If three non-LDS people enter a polygamous marriage and raise children in a good, healthy way, are they not helping fulfill God's command to multiply and replenish the earth? I will say that as long as it is in a country where it is legal then Yes. Many of my Native North American Brethren had more than one wife until the new masters said no more. 1
pogi Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 (edited) 12 hours ago, sunstoned said: The gospel of Christ transcends religions. The New Testament teaches universal truths. Yet, you don’t believe in a resurrection? That pretty much is the gospel (good news) of Jesus Christ. 11 hours ago, sunstoned said: I believe this. What goes around comes around. Nothing to do with god though. Who or what force is responsible for this balance/equity/karma/universal justice? Edited November 18, 2019 by pogi
The Nehor Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 1 hour ago, pogi said: Who or what force is responsible for this balance/equity/karma/universal justice? Have you not heard the good word?
pogi Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Have you not heard the good word? Oh, I'm familiar with the secret, but not even that attempts to explain a source. They say in the book/film that some call it the universe, others call it God, it doesn't really matter what you give credit to - what matters is that it works.
The Nehor Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 18 minutes ago, pogi said: Oh, I'm familiar with the secret, but not even that attempts to explain a source. They say in the book/film that some call it the universe, others call it God, it doesn't really matter what you give credit to - what matters is that it works. Was mocking the book. I do not believe in a universal good things come to those who deserve them. I believe this is true of spiritual things and there is justice there. No one ever gets the choicest blessings of the gospel by accident. As to temporal blessings sometimes God gives them and sometimes not and it is not always tied to worthiness.
pogi Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 8 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Was mocking the book. I do not believe in a universal good things come to those who deserve them. I believe this is true of spiritual things and there is justice there. No one ever gets the choicest blessings of the gospel by accident. As to temporal blessings sometimes God gives them and sometimes not and it is not always tied to worthiness. I know you were mocking it. I am simply just looking for a source (if not from God) from those who do believe in some sort of karma.
CV75 Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 15 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: If two people who never heard of the gospel help the poor, the needy, the sick, etc. they get blessed, right? Every blessing is predicated upon obedience to the law upon which it is predicated. If three non-LDS people enter a polygamous marriage and raise children in a good, healthy way, are they not helping fulfill God's command to multiply and replenish the earth? If a non-LDS person helps another non-LDS person, doesn't that help, that service, result in blessings and smile emojis in the silent-notes taken by angels above us? There are levels of law and blessing. Following the laws and blessings of the light of Christ hardly approaches the laws and blessings of His personal covenant.
Ahab Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 15 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: If two people who never heard of the gospel help the poor, the needy, the sick, etc. they get blessed, right? Every blessing is predicated upon obedience to the law upon which it is predicated. What happens if what someone wants to do just happens to be what God wants them to do, but they are not doing it because God wants them to do it but because they want to do it? Why should God give them a blessing for that? I wouldn't say that person did it to be obedient to God. They did it because it was what they wanted to do. And what do you consider a blessing of God to be? Would you consider the natural consequence of an action a blessing from God even if God didn't do anything in particular to cause that consequence to happen? 15 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: If three non-LDS people enter a polygamous marriage and raise children in a good, healthy way, are they not helping fulfill God's command to multiply and replenish the earth? I think so. God is the one who sends spirits down here to inhabit bodies so if God sends a spirit down here to inhabit a body I would say they are helping God to do what God wants. 15 hours ago, nuclearfuels said: If a non-LDS person helps another non-LDS person, doesn't that help, that service, result in blessings and smile emojis in the silent-notes taken by angels above us? I don't know, maybe. I think it would depend on what kind of help it was. Natural consequences aren't blessings from God, or at least not necessarily. I consider something to be a blessing from God only when God does something to cause that to result to happen.
Thinking Posted November 18, 2019 Posted November 18, 2019 15 hours ago, MustardSeed said: I am cynical enough to believe we don’t do a single thing that doesn’t, in some way, benefit us somehow. While we may receive benefits from our good deeds, I believe sunstoned's point was that we shouldn't expect to receive benefits for doing good.
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