New Announcement on Youth and Primary Progression

[Avatar4321]

Do these changes affect the ordination to Melchizedek  priesthood age?

[mnn727]

1 hour ago, tulip said:

A kid born in December will be ordained at 11,13, and 15.    A kid born in January will be ordained at 12,14 and 16.   The program worked perfectly by birthday.   This change just reeks of desperation.   

How does it "reek of desperation"?

[bluebell]

9 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

Do these changes affect the ordination to Melchizedek  priesthood age?

Not that I can find.  The information that we've been given (including that in the FAQ) says nothing about girls or boys turning 18 or older. Nothing seems to change (from how it's always been) after a girl becomes a laurel or a boy a priest.

[FunOnlineMan]

Thank you, tulip, for assuming the title of board villain. Now I’ll be free to snidely comment while everyone rushes to defeat you. 

[SouthernMo]

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone else think that the names Beehive, Mia Maid, and Laurel are out-dated and/or confusing?  Trying to explain these terms to those outside the faith is painful, and I'm only 5% less confused than they are about the nomenclature.

Maybe that will be my Mormon thing... Can I be the Sam Young of changing the names of the YW classes?  Who will sign my petition and march on SLC with me?

[The Nehor]

12 minutes ago, FunOnlineMan said:

Thank you, tulip, for assuming the title of board villain. Now I’ll be free to snidely comment while everyone rushes to defeat you. 

I warn you. I can multitask....

 

 

 

 

 

...no, I can’t. Have fun.  

[The Nehor]

34 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

Do these changes affect the ordination to Melchizedek  priesthood age?

There is no set age other then at least 18 and even that is not set in stone.

[Avatar4321]

37 minutes ago, mnn727 said:

How does it "reek of desperation"?

You’re about the third or fourth person to ask that and we still haven’t had an answerYou’re about the third or fourth person to ask that and we still haven’t had an answer

[cinepro]

44 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said:

I’d have to take a closer look at the scripture in question.

the Lord makes the rules but He tends to do what He wants when he wants sometimes.

john the Baptist was ordained a child

 

Here's the scripture:

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27 And their children shall be baptized for the remission of their sins when eight years old, and receive the laying on of the hands.

https://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/68.27?lang=eng#26

Although a lawyer might argue that this scripture also rules out baptism at the age of nine...

Edited December 14, 2018 by cinepro

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, Avatar4321 said:

You’re about the third or fourth person to ask that and we still haven’t had an answerYou’re about the third or fourth person to ask that and we still haven’t had an answer

I think the new cunning plan is to make us desperate for an explanation to make the original inane proposition seem more likely as we are clearly desperate people.

It is also a stupid cunning plan.

[The Nehor]

1 minute ago, cinepro said:

 

Here's the scripture:

Although a lawyer might argue that this scripture also rules out baptism at the age of nine...

And that that child’s sins all belong to the parents from then on. Ouch.

[Avatar4321]

 Thinking about this and I like these changes. With the old set up quorum, members would join and leave at various times throughout the year. Now the quorum is consistent all year around lending more time to unify

[Ginger Snaps]

12 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

There is no set age other then at least 18 and even that is not set in stone.

Yep, I think they can be ordained before 18 if they have a mission call. 

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ginger Snaps

[Bernard Gui]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I thought of that. I suppose the question arises as to how explicitly we must take the instruction about the age. 

Point of information: My mom was baptized in 1916 when she was still 7. At that time, in the rural area where she lived, it was the practice to baptize children turning 8 in a given year during the warmer months, whether or not they had had their birthday yet, probably because they needed to do it before the irrigation canals froze over. When the question came up years later as to the validity of the baptism, it was determined at Church headquarters that it was fine.

Hmmmm. I received my Patriarchal Blessing when I was seven.

I think the age change is probably a good move. It can't coincide with the school year changes to accommodate the US because those vary world-wide. 

[SouthernMo]

9 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I think the new cunning plan is to make us desperate for an explanation to make the original inane proposition seem more likely as we are clearly desperate people.

It is also a stupid cunning plan.

Yup, we reek of desperation for a response...

[Bernard Gui]

OK. Well. 

As my daughter Bellalindissima just pointed out, those of us old geezers with lots of grandkids spread around the country and who like to be present at ordinations and other transitions are going to have some very busy and expensive Januaries.

 

 

[ksfisher]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Point of information: My mom was baptized in 1916 when she was still 7. At that time, in the rural area where she lived, it was the practice to baptize children turning 8 in a given year during the warmer months, whether or not they had had their birthday yet, probably because they needed to do it before the irrigation canals froze over. When the question came up years later as to the validity of the baptism, it was determined at Church headquarters that it was fine. 

One of my grandfathers was baptized the day before he turned 8.  Also in a rural area, but since he had a summer birthday the temp didn't play into it.  I did hear him talk about how it was a duck pond and he came out covered with feathers.

[DispensatorMysteriorum]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Bishop is going to have a lot of interviews in January.

As the bishop in our ward, I am starting my interviews this coming week for the priesthood ordinations. We will sustain and ordain them the first Sunday in January. We will wait on the temple recommends until after January starts. 

[blueglass]

What's the youngest age you can be ordained to the office of high priest?  18?  Could you be ordained an elder at 17, then at 18 as a high priest to serve in a bishopric or high council?  

 

Edited December 14, 2018 by blueglass

[Bernard Gui]

45 minutes ago, SouthernMo said:

Slightly off-topic, but does anyone else think that the names Beehive, Mia Maid, and Laurel are out-dated and/or confusing?  Trying to explain these terms to those outside the faith is painful, and I'm only 5% less confused than they are about the nomenclature.

Maybe that will be my Mormon thing... Can I be the Sam Young of changing the names of the YW classes?  Who will sign my petition and march on SLC with me?

Yes. I have felt that way for a very long time. MIA has no meaning for anyone under 50.  Beehives are scary if you are allergic to bees. Not to mention the killer bees. Laurels and maids are out-dated terms that you don't hear often, except for other meanings of maids and the pejorative Handmaiden.  I'm willing to march. 

Edited December 14, 2018 by Bernard Gui

[Tacenda]

My husband taught 11/12 yr. olds for a few years and it was no fun for those that were left going to sharing time by themselves when all the class turned 12 and began YW's and YM's.

[SouthernMo]

32 minutes ago, blueglass said:

What's the youngest age you can be ordained to the office of high priest?  18?  Could you be ordained an elder at 17, then at 18 as a high priest to serve in a bishopric or high council?  

 

There's probably a policy in place now, but Brigham Young ordained his 11 year old son John Willard as an apostle.

Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery were ordained to the priesthood before they were baptized.

The possibilities of timing of ordination to an office seem to be all but endless.

[bluebell]

34 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

My husband taught 11/12 yr. olds for a few years and it was no fun for those that were left going to sharing time by themselves when all the class turned 12 and began YW's and YM's.

I agree.  I did singing time for a couple of years and that age group always struggled the most, especially the boys.

[revelstoked]

5 hours ago, MorningStar said:

When I got the email,  I thought, "I better sit down for this one." I guess there won't be fun initiations for girls when they join YW anymore because they're all joining together. Do boys do that? It's nice though that there won't be kids left alone in their class in primary at the end of the year as their friends all turn 12 and advance. 

I do that.  I walk in with one of my kid's old suit jackets on a pole and tell a story about the Title of Liberty and recruiting for the Youth Battalion.  It may be just a once a year thing now, wether it is late December or January remains to be seen.

[Duncan]

3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

I thought of that. I suppose the question arises as to how explicitly we must take the instruction about the age. 

Point of information: My mom was baptized in 1916 when she was still 7. At that time, in the rural area where she lived, it was the practice to baptize children turning 8 in a given year during the warmer months, whether or not they had had their birthday yet, probably because they needed to do it before the irrigation canals froze over. When the question came up years later as to the validity of the baptism, it was determined at Church headquarters that it was fine. 

I hope you don't feel old but if you do my Mum knew a man who fought in the Boer War