New Announcement on Youth and Primary Progression

[The Nehor]

The First Presidency just announced that all Young Men/Young Women progression will occur simulataneously in January in the year that they turn 12, 14, and 16.

This means ordination to be a deacon and joining the Beehives will occur at the age of 11.

[Hamba Tuhan]

It also means obtaining temple recommends before turning 12. Link.

Edited December 14, 2018 by Hamba Tuhan

[Ginger Snaps]

And priesthood ordination before 12, 14 and 16 if I’m reading it right!  

[SouthernMo]

Finally - deacons can be ordained at 11 just like apostles!

[cinepro]

Just now, SouthernMo said:

Finally - deacons can be ordained at 11 just like apostles!

It's too early to have heard the best joke of the day

[cinepro]

Here's the link:

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/age-changes-youth-progression-ordination-announced?fbclid=IwAR3_f0aPOHWsnskYwbdb3AGSn90ppXzmZRgOvirEn5TTB4mCvQyyqOdYJOA

Wow.  I actually spent a bit of time making sure this was from a legit website.  I hate to say for all the hype about major, shocking announcements coming, I'm actually shocked. 

It makes me wish I had taken my vitamins this week, because I wasn't prepared for this.

I also have to add that as someone who has been discussing the Church on the internet for 20 years, I can remember all the times people pointed out that there didn't seem to be much revelation or change in the Church from the current prophet (Hinckley or Monson).  Yes, I'm sure I've even pointed it out once or twice .

Now that we have a Prophet who is actually making changes, the criticisms are about the kind of changes, or that there are too many (or not enough), or that they weren't made sooner, or that they're still not what we would expect to come from God, or that it's just a laundry list of pet peeves Nelson has built up over the years.   Sure, it's not the sealed portion (yet), but even as a critic I have to admit that at a certain point, the criticisms can get stretched pretty thin.  When you have to try that hard, it stops being fun.

 

Edited December 14, 2018 by cinepro

[alter idem]

Does it state this? Progression means attending the class starting in January rather than waiting till their birthday,  but unless it states explicitly,  it could be they still wait till birthday for ordination and eligibility for recommend.

 

[Ginger Snaps]

4 minutes ago, alter idem said:

Does it state this? Progression means attending the class starting in January rather than waiting till their birthday,  but unless it states explicitly,  it could be they still wait till birthday for ordination and eligibility for recommend.

 

“In addition, young men will be eligible for ordination to the appropriate priesthood office in January of the year they turn 12, 14, and 16. Young women and ordained young men will be eligible for limited-use temple recommends beginning in January of the year they turn 12.”

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/age-changes-youth-progression-ordination-announced

[alter idem]

2 minutes ago, Ginger Snaps said:

“In addition, young men will be eligible for ordination to the appropriate priesthood office in January of the year they turn 12, 14, and 16. Young women and ordained young men will be eligible for limited-use temple recommends beginning in January of the year they turn 12.”

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/age-changes-youth-progression-ordination-announced

Thanks for looking it up.

[The Nehor]

Bishop is going to have a lot of interviews in January.

[bluebell]

13 minutes ago, alter idem said:

Does it state this? Progression means attending the class starting in January rather than waiting till their birthday,  but unless it states explicitly,  it could be they still wait till birthday for ordination and eligibility for recommend.

 

It does state that.  It says In addition, young men will be eligible for ordination to the appropriate priesthood office in January of the year they turn 12, 14, and 16.

[bluebell]

As the YW's president, my mind is blown.  It's going to be really interesting having 11 year olds in YWs, because there is a lot of difference between a young 11 and an old 12 year old.  I'm sure it'll be the same for YMs.  And I really wish we had known about this a few weeks ago, just so that we had more time to organize, because December is already so busy and trying to squeeze in a presidency meeting in the last two weeks of the year, with Christmas and New Years and everyone traveling is not going to be fun.

But this is all pretty exciting too!

[bsjkki]

I love the changes! But it’s back to drawing board on teacher assignments in Primary. I suddenly have 2 extra teachers. What about scouts? Do these boys move up from 11 year old scouts? That leaves an awkward span between webelos and scouts. Thankfully, whatever they do there will only last one year. 

[MorningStar]

When I got the email,  I thought, "I better sit down for this one." I guess there won't be fun initiations for girls when they join YW anymore because they're all joining together. Do boys do that? It's nice though that there won't be kids left alone in their class in primary at the end of the year as their friends all turn 12 and advance. 

[SouthernMo]

1 minute ago, bsjkki said:

 

I love the changes! But it’s back to drawing board on teacher assignments in Primary. I suddenly have 2 extra teachers.

 

Right now 1,000 primary presidents around the world are hating you right now for having the “problem” of two extra primary teachers.

😁

[MorningStar]

2 minutes ago, bluebell said:

As the YW's president, my mind is blown.  It's going to be really interesting having 11 year olds in YWs, because there is a lot of difference between a young 11 and an old 12 year old.  I'm sure it'll be the same for YMs.  And I really wish we had known about this a few weeks ago, just so that we had more time to organize, because December is already so busy and trying to squeeze in a presidency meeting in the last two weeks of the year, with Christmas and New Years and everyone traveling is not going to be fun.

But this is all pretty exciting too!

I just went to pick up my daughter and another girl from activity days the other night and the other girl was seriously crying and complained, "I'm always first to be picked up and it's not fair!" She was also crying because of the white elephant exchange. She didn't get what she wanted and I was thinking, "Oh man. She'll be in YW in less than a year. She's not ready." Well now she will be in it next month! 😮 

[bsjkki]

1 minute ago, bluebell said:

As the YW's president, my mind is blown.  It's going to be really interesting having 11 year olds in YWs, because there is a lot of difference between a young 11 and an old 12 year old.  I'm sure it'll be the same for YMs.  And I really wish we had known about this a few weeks ago, just so that we had more time to organize, because December is already so busy and trying to squeeze in a presidency meeting in the last two weeks of the year, with Christmas and New Years and everyone traveling is not going to be fun.

But this is all pretty exciting too!

As a planner, I am learning to roll with things. High adventure mentality.

[cinepro]

There's a FAQ here:

Age Change FAQ

This one is interesting about camps, dances and conferences:

Quote

Generally, youth in a class or quorum may enjoy the privileges that are appropriate for that class or quorum. With their parents’ approval, Beehives and deacons may attend camps before their 12th birthdays. Likewise, Mia Maids and teachers may attend dances and youth conferences before their 14th birthdays. However, a young woman or young man should be at least age 16 before beginning to date (see For the Strength of Youth [2011], 4).

 

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I love the changes! But it’s back to drawing board on teacher assignments in Primary. I suddenly have 2 extra teachers. What about scouts? Do these boys move up from 11 year old scouts? That leaves an awkward span between webelos and scouts. Thankfully, whatever they do there will only last one year. 

Yeah, they become Scouts at 11 though the FAQ for the announcement pointed out this is only a short term situation.

2 minutes ago, MorningStar said:

When I got the email,  I thought, "I better sit down for this one." I guess there won't be fun initiations for girls when they join YW anymore because they're all joining together. Do boys do that? It's nice though that there won't be kids left alone in their class in primary at the end of the year as their friends all turn 12 and advance. 

The initiation for Young Men is getting ordained with those in your class. In the Priest Quorum they usually all participate in the ordination which is great.

The instruction is also to move them into the new classes right away so I am guessing we will have prospective deacons, teachers, and priests for a few weeks.

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, SouthernMo said:

Right now 1,000 primary presidents around the world are hating you right now for having the “problem” of two extra primary teachers.

😁

But they almost all are getting that problem.  

[Ginger Snaps]

45 minutes ago, MorningStar said:

I just went to pick up my daughter and another girl from activity days the other night and the other girl was seriously crying and complained, "I'm always first to be picked up and it's not fair!" She was also crying because of the white elephant exchange. She didn't get what she wanted and I was thinking, "Oh man. She'll be in YW in less than a year. She's not ready." Well now she will be in it next month! 😮 

Trust me, there’s always a wide range of maturity even among the fully 12-yo beehives 😄. 

Edited December 14, 2018 by Ginger Snaps

[bsjkki]

So the Primary Faith in God is over next year and now the 11 year olds are gone. Does this mean they can’t earn it all? Can they finish even though they have moved on if they want. 

[tulip]

A kid born in December will be ordained at 11,13, and 15.    A kid born in January will be ordained at 12,14 and 16.   The program worked perfectly by birthday.   This change just reeks of desperation.   

[JAHS]

39 minutes ago, cinepro said:

There's a FAQ here:

Age Change FAQ

This one is interesting about camps, dances and conferences:

 

One of those FAQ
"Must the transition date for age-group progression always be January?
No. In areas of the world where January is not a natural transition date, areas may implement these changes based on the local transition date now followed"

So the whole world will not be doing this, but in the US January is also not a natural transition date, right? 

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, tulip said:

A kid born in December will be ordained at 11,13, and 15.    A kid born in January will be ordained at 12,14 and 16.   The program worked perfectly by birthday.   This change just reeks of desperation.   

Please explain what desperation this shows. What are we desperate about? Otherwise your post reeks of desperation to find fault which is more believable.