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  1. Not sure I agree. The Paulsen pulido essay drew upon hundreds of sources. "We have compiled over six hundred sources of all types referencing a Heavenly Mother in Mormon and academic discourse since 1844.16
  2. Who wrote the essay? Sure a short one. How much was redacted?
  3. Just a lite pushback - as I hope there is a considerable difference considering the parable in Luke12. "What will I do, because I don't have room to store my crops?' 18He said, 'This is what I will do. I will pull down my barns, and build bigger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods"
  4. We know Huntsman Sr bought the Gulfstream private jet and donated it to the church for charitable, educational, and religious purposes such as transporting apostles to personally administer sacred ordinances. So James Huntsman was a personal witness that you can control directly how the donated money is spent but you have to gift it for a specific purpose to the Deseret Trust Company and negotiate a contract.
  5. Has someone confirmed that 1/7 of the tithe we pay goes to the Ensign Peak advisors investment fund? What are the primary documents the whistleblower used to show the 1/7 diversion of tithing funds in the 19-Dec-2019 WaPo article? "The church typically collects about $7 billion each year in contributions from members, according to the complaint. Mormons, like members of some other faith groups, are asked to contribute 10 percent of their income to the church, a practice known as tithing. While about $6 billion of that income is used to cover annual operating costs, the remaining $1 billion or so is transferred to Ensign, which plows some into an investment portfolio to generate returns, according to the complaint." In the responses by directors of Ensign peak I don't see anywhere a denial that 1/7 of tithes are diverted to the stock portfolio. The official response by the church confirms "The Church complies with all applicable law governing our donations, investments, taxes, and reserves.) Ensign Peak does not pay taxes on the returns received from investments in Apple, Tesla and Gamestop. +$11B this year. According to what I understand you have to take this up with your congressmxn as of right now the church is only obligated to donate $1.00/10years on charitable or educational purposes to be fully compliant with the laws of our country. Although set up as a rainy day fund they are also not obligated by any current laws to spend money from these reserve investments during a pandemic or the 2008 housing crisis.
  6. As it is black history month I thought it would be good to highlight a pioneer in early church history, John Wesley Harmon. I used to minister to a ward in Camden, NJ many years ago so this is special to me. A few highlights from his life: (See https://exhibits.lib.utah.edu/s/century-of-black-mormons/page/harmon-john-wesley-jr) June 15, 1900, at the age of nineteen, Wesley was baptized as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Camden, New Jersey, across the Delaware River from Philadelphia. He wrote his testimony which was published in the Liahona Elder's journal. Liahona Elder's Journal 1909 vol6, no1, pg19× "He wrote: “I wish to add my testimony to those of the scattered Saints throughout the land. I was baptized [June] 15, 1900, since which time the blessing of the Lord has rested upon me in such a degree that I know the work is of God. Spread this fact to all the world: ‘Mormonism’ is Truth!” In 1912 he asked the president of the Eastern states mission Ben E. Rich about priesthood ordination. President Rich forwarded his correspondence to the office of the first presidency in Salt Lake city. Here is a scanned transcript of the reply from the First Presidency, First Presidency letter to Ben E. Rich, regarding J. Wesley Harmon, 1912 A few excerpts: "Salvation is not confined to people of one family or race" God is no respecter of persons Romans 2, "Now does this imply that every individual is to have the opportunity to become a priest, a king, a ruler? Not at all!" "My house is a house of order, saith the Lord, One of the principles of that order is that persons of the negro race may not be ordained to the Priesthood, but they may and do receive the blessings of salvation in time and eternity, which imply glory, honor, everlasting progress and position for which they are prepared and which are beyond human power to describe, but it must be evident to every clear thinker that every soul receiving salvation cannot be endowed with the power and authority of "kings and priests unto God and His Christ," or where would be the people to constitute the kingdoms, and the conditions needing ministration and regulation for the maintenance of that order prevails in the Kingdom of the Father." His biography says that he may have attended meetings at the home of Reed Smoot (United States senator from Utah) He graduated from Howard University became a reverend or chaplain and owned a grocery store.
  7. "Do Latter-day Saints believe that they will “get their own planet”? No. This idea is not taught in Latter-day Saint scripture, nor is it a doctrine of the Church. This misunderstanding stems from speculative comments unreflective of scriptural doctrine." https://news-ca.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/mormonism-101-faq#C14 "Brethren, 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000. Just think of the possibilities, the potential." https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/1975/10/the-privilege-of-holding-the-priesthood?lang=eng
  8. According to footnote 35 of the becoming like God essay "While the King Follett discourse represents Joseph Smith’s most detailed known discussion of divine nature and exaltation, it is important to note that because of the wind on the day the sermon was delivered and the limitations of transcription techniques, we are left without certainty" Ah thats too bad. I guess 177 years later divine beings are still "incomprehensible"
  9. How many missionaries are serving these apartment Facebook proselytizing missions?
  10. President Kimballs journal entry from 1June 1978. Something huge is missing. "After meeting with my counselors for an hour this morning from eight until nine o’clock, we went over to the temple and met with all of the General Authorities in the monthly meeting we hold together [on the first Thursday]. Returned to the office for a few minutes and then went over to Temple Square for the dedication services of the new Visitors Center South, which was scheduled to commence at 3:00 p.m. The services lasted for about an hour, after which we returned to the office where I worked at my desk until six o’clock."
  11. Francis Gibbons pres Kimballs biographer says that President Kimball wrote it down on May 30 a couple days before the Th meeting on June1. "Here, appearing through the veil in the upper room of the temple, was the prophet who, almost a hundred years before, had wrestled with a critical problem, plural marriage, which was resolved by revelation, the same way the problem President Kimball faced would be resolved. The week following this incident, President Kimball again spent several hours alone in the Salt Lake Temple, asking the Lord for guidance. On Tuesday, May 30, 1978, President Kimball read to his counselors a tentative statement he had written in longhand removing all priesthood restrictions from blacks except those restrictions as to worthiness that rest upon all alike. He said that he had a “good, warm feeling” about it. There was a lengthy review of the statements of past leaders about the restrictions on blacks. It was decided that this aspect of the matter should be researched in detail. Elder G. Homer Durham, who was serving as the Church historian, was asked to do this. "
  12. There is a direct correlation between the boasting from 26 May 1844 as he repeated this again in his 16 June 1844 discourse at the grove east of the temple https://rsc.byu.edu/words-joseph-smith/16-june-1844-1-sunday-morning-grove-east-temple Paul what do you say—they impeached Paul & all Went & left him [38]—Paul had 7 churches & they drove him off from among them—& yet they cannot do it by me—I rej. in that—my test. is good—Paul—says there is one Glory of the Sun the moon & the Stars—& as the Star differs &c [39]— https://rsc.byu.edu/book/words-joseph-smith
  13. When I was asst ward mission leader I looked up a number of views by Christians on marriage from youtube searches i.e. Q&A with pastors and here is what I found regarding eternal marriage: Lutheran: Heaven: God's Feature Presentation-"will there be marriage in heaven?" "I don't know but if there is it will be great." GraceLife Christian: Mark 12:18-27 - Is There Marriage in Heaven? Luke 20:34 children of this world marry - obtain "that world" equal to the angels - children of the resurrection. 2Peter5 - willingly ignorant "No marriage in heaven - it's something you do here on earth" Angels are all male. Christian Missionary Alliance Ravi Zacharias : https://www.christianitytoday.com/news/2014/january/ravi-zacharias-fernando-ortega-mormon-tabernacle-utah.html Jesus said no. Lazarus is in a state of bliss. At the resurrection glorified body - in his eternal presence transcendent gloriousness - all in an eternal presence and state. marriage is not the relationship of preeminence. New church: yes - marriage in heaven Orthodox church: https://www.pravmir.com/the-theology-of-christian-marriage/ The Orthodox marriage service is in two parts: the Betrothal and the Crowning. The Betrothal, in which the main feature is the exchange of rings, normally takes place in the narthex of the temple. It represents the natural marriage, marriage as a human institution, Even in Western Christian marriage rites, in the past the custom was for marriage to take place at the church door or porch. The prayers mention the betrothal of Isaac and Rebecca, and the priest, after blessing the rings, makes the sign of the cross over each of the parties three times, saying that “The servant of God "groom" is betrothed to the servant of God "bride", in the name of the Father, and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” The priest then puts the bride’s ring on the bridegroom’s right hand, and the bridegroom’s ring on the bride’s right hand. This concludes the betrothal. Unlike Western marriage services, there is no exchange of vows, no legal contract that is ended by death “till death us do part”. The priest then leads the couple into the nave of the church, to the singing of a psalm, and the crowning service takes place in front of the royal doors, with more prayers. The crowns are placed on the heads of the bridegroom and bride, and, in some traditions, exchanged between them either by the priest or by the best man. The crowning expresses the distinctively Christian and sacramental aspect of marriage. The priest says “Crown them with glory and honour”, which recalls Psalm 8, and also Hebrews 2, in which the Psalm is quoted. This refers to fallen man restored to fellowship with God in Christ, and restored to rightful dominion over the earth. The couple are to be king and queen to each other, and their life together is to be a witness (martyria) to the kingdom of God, a little kingdom, and a little church, a cell of the Body of Christ. And so the crowns are also martyrs crowns, and this is referred to in the song that is sung as they circle the analogion three times anticlockwise https://orthodoxbridge.com/2014/05/16/concerning-eternal-marriage/ When the Lord spoke to the Sadducees about marriage in heaven (Mt. 22:23-33), He made it clear that “in the resurrection, they neither marry nor are given in marriage.” That is, the earthly purposes of marriage, to suppress man’s licentiousness and to procreate, are irrelevant in the Kingdom. All the earthly concerns of a married couple: sexual intercourse, birth-giving, possessions, etc., are part of the “form of this world” which is passing away. “They are like the angels in of God heaven” (Mt. 22:30). But there is one aspect of marriage that is eternal: “Love never ends” (1 Cor. 13:8). St. John Chrysostom reminds us that married Christians are known to be such in the Judgment and in the Kingdom. We will recognize and delight in our spouses and in our children. We will be restored, not to marriage, but to something better, a union of souls, rather than bodies, a union that begins in marriage and reaches a far more sublime condition (cf. Chrysostom’s Letter to a Young Widow). This is why the Orthodox Church discourages (but does not prohibit) re-marriage after the death of a spouse. A second or third wedding ceremony (no fourth is allowed) has a somewhat penitential character, recognizing human weakness. St. John urged the young widow to whom he wrote to remain faithful to her husband (the title “husband” is used even after his death), in order to keep alive their bond of love, and eventually to be re-united with him. The Orthodox Church forbids re-marriage to widowed clergy, as a way of upholding this ideal. Baptist/Calvinist John Piper: "no marriage in heaven? Luke 20, Psalms 73:25-26 says "Whom have I in heaven but you? I desire you more than anything on earth. 26 My health may fail, and my spirit may grow weak, but God remains the strength of my heart; he is mine forever." However, everything you love about being married - will be there + - it's just going to be better, but no marriage in heaven, my father will not be a polygamist. My father had one wife for 25 years and one for 36 years Ruth and Lavon. He will know Ruth and Lavone and will have a love for them that will be, "supreme".
  14. The account from 26-May 1844 says that he accomplished more than Jesus. https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/discourse-26-may-1844-as-compiled-by-leo-hawkins/3 From this quote I think Joseph was boasting in God like Ammon. Otherwise it sounds like John 14:12, "and greater works than these will he do"
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