4th Sundays in 2018

[rongo]

18 minutes ago, zionssuburb@gmail.com said:

It will never work if we continue teaching in the 'old model' - much like Come Follow Me for Youth failed miserably enough that a new (teaching the savior's way) had to be created to try and counter the ensconced traditionally way of doing things.

I don't see that "Teaching in the Savior's Way" is any improvement or even very different from what we have had in the past (cf. "Teaching: No Greater Call," etc.). Sitting in a circle "discussing" is still prone to the same challenges that teacher/rows of seats had --- unless the teacher is dynamic and self-aware in either situation. Circular discussion (even "facilitated" discussion) is just as likely to suffer from disproportionate domination, lack of student preparation/study, and "wallflowering" on the part of participants. There are no embedded items in "Teaching in the Savior's Way" that overcome these issues for people who aren't otherwise already good teachers. 

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On ‎11‎/‎15‎/‎2017 at 3:08 PM, rongo said:

I don't see that "Teaching in the Savior's Way" is any improvement or even very different from what we have had in the past (cf. "Teaching: No Greater Call," etc.). Sitting in a circle "discussing" is still prone to the same challenges that teacher/rows of seats had --- unless the teacher is dynamic and self-aware in either situation. Circular discussion (even "facilitated" discussion) is just as likely to suffer from disproportionate domination, lack of student preparation/study, and "wallflowering" on the part of participants. There are no embedded items in "Teaching in the Savior's Way" that overcome these issues for people who aren't otherwise already good teachers. 

my understanding is it's designed to make teachers better teachers. Also to encourage active learning from the students.

 

I've been reading the booklet for teachers "teaching in the Saviors way" this week. I've had it for about a year but I actually sat down this week to read it for ideas on how to reach the students in my primary class. The Spirit is just overwhelming me as I read through it. And I'm just reading through it. I was planning to study all the scriptures with each principle on the second time through.

I've been coming up with action items to do in faith and so far so good.

[nuclearfuels]

On ‎11‎/‎13‎/‎2017 at 10:39 AM, HappyJackWagon said:

I know this has been discussed previously (but couldn't find the thread). I recently came to the realization that every 4th Sunday for 6 months will be based on 1 topic. The first 6 months of 2018 happens to have the topic of Sabbath worship- keeping the Sabbath day holy. Regardless of what one thinks about that particular topic, is it reasonable to expect 6 lessons on consecutive months on the same topic to be stimulating to the membership? I struggle to see how even the most dedicated member could be excited about hearing the same topic (presumably with a different spin) for 6 straight months.

Has anyone been involved in the pilot programs for this approach (which also used Sabbath Observance as the topic- so you get another 6 months...yay!!)? How did it work? Were eyes more glazed over than usual on the 5th and 6th month? Seriously, is anyone looking forward to this? I will be thrilled if someone can show me that I have misunderstood this teaching approach and it won't really be 6 months of the same topic.

 

As a Primary Teacher, all I can do is bid you good luck on such meetings.

If I need to attend, I can not imagine this topic being more frustrating to hear repeatedly than the "It's the last week of the month, Please remember to do your home teaching" announced in purgatory/I mean Elder's quorum.

Observing the Sabbath can be interesting as one's dedication (as it grows) leads to greater blessings/personal power.  Example: One Sunday morn' I found myself fasting but the kids were hungry.  (I honestly wish we didn't cancel all meetings on Fast Sunday as they would help the time pass.  Not a huge )  I made them all cinnamon toast which had the butter spread so smooth on the toast right after it came out of the toaster, it was like a warm blanket of love, covered in cinnamon and sugar.  My stomach was cramping but I didn't even lick the sugar off my fingertips.

Discipline and focus are rare these days and being able to focus on family history, scriptures, spiritual goals, home/visit teaching (sorry), etc.

Staying up until midnight on Saturday doing college homework or finishing the basement, then getting up at midnight Sunday night and doing the same also shows a dedication others might not have.    

Example 2: Like with tithing...we're supposed to pay it once a month right? When I was underemployed, unemployed, etc. I found that if I paid tithing as soon as I was paid, blessings were given to me with equal speed.  Just seems like the more we learn/focus/discipline ourselves, the more that is returned to us....though I still don't like Fast Sundays.

[Rain]

22 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

As a Primary Teacher, all I can do is bid you good luck on such meetings.

If I need to attend, I can not imagine this topic being more frustrating to hear repeatedly than the "It's the last week of the month, Please remember to do your home teaching" announced in purgatory/I mean Elder's quorum.

Observing the Sabbath can be interesting as one's dedication (as it grows) leads to greater blessings/personal power.  Example: One Sunday morn' I found myself fasting but the kids were hungry.  (I honestly wish we didn't cancel all meetings on Fast Sunday as they would help the time pass.  Not a huge )  I made them all cinnamon toast which had the butter spread so smooth on the toast right after it came out of the toaster, it was like a warm blanket of love, covered in cinnamon and sugar.  My stomach was cramping but I didn't even lick the sugar off my fingertips.

Discipline and focus are rare these days and being able to focus on family history, scriptures, spiritual goals, home/visit teaching (sorry), etc.

Staying up until midnight on Saturday doing college homework or finishing the basement, then getting up at midnight Sunday night and doing the same also shows a dedication others might not have.    

Example 2: Like with tithing...we're supposed to pay it once a month right? When I was underemployed, unemployed, etc. I found that if I paid tithing as soon as I was paid, blessings were given to me with equal speed.  Just seems like the more we learn/focus/discipline ourselves, the more that is returned to us....though I still don't like Fast Sundays.

I don't know that there is anything that tells us how often.  Some people pay it every time they receive. Others once a year. 

[bluebell]

On 11/17/2017 at 11:56 AM, nuclearfuels said:

Example 2: Like with tithing...we're supposed to pay it once a month right? When I was underemployed, unemployed, etc. I found that if I paid tithing as soon as I was paid, blessings were given to me with equal speed.  Just seems like the more we learn/focus/discipline ourselves, the more that is returned to us....though I still don't like Fast Sundays.

There isn't a set time or frequency that we are supposed to pay it.  We always pay it when my husband get's paid (so twice a month).  In my experience that's what most people do but I've known a couple of people that would pay everything at the end of the year.  

[sunstoned]

On 11/13/2017 at 9:43 AM, Danzo said:

Its not like it is going to be every Sunday, it will be taught every fourth or fifth Sunday.  I would be surprised if anyone will remember it was taught before with that much space in between.  Hard to get people to remember what was taught the previous week.

As far as the topic goes, I believe that I could get six different lessons on the subject without too much repetition.

This is a good point.  The topic is broad enough that with some coordination between instructors the lessons do not have to be redundant.

[Alan]

On 13/11/2017 at 4:57 PM, HappyJackWagon said:

Fair enough. But does 6 months of lessons based on the same topic sound interesting to you? Whether it's the Sabbath, or tithing, or baptism, or repentance...whatever, it doesn't sound like a very compelling learning/teaching model.

I'm not sure the purpose of priesthood meeting is to be interesting. 

[Jeanne]

24 minutes ago, Alan said:

I'm not sure the purpose of priesthood meeting is to be interesting. 

But wouldn't it help?

[nuclearfuels]

19 hours ago, Alan said:

I'm not sure the purpose of priesthood meeting is to be interesting. 

Alan's right. Seems like the purpose is spiritual self improvement which is kind of like visiting a spiritual dentist; helpful and necessary but entertaining?  Maybe if there's enough laughing gas

[Tacenda]

I wish they'd leave one week a month and study the Gospel Topic Essays! It's about time.

[HappyJackWagon]

19 hours ago, Alan said:

I'm not sure the purpose of priesthood meeting is to be interesting. 

Perfect. In that case they are succeeding marvelously.

[Gray]

19 hours ago, Alan said:

I'm not sure the purpose of priesthood meeting is to be interesting. 

If it's not interesting, no one is listening. In that case the meeting has no purpose.

[Hamba Tuhan]

6 hours ago, Gray said:

If it's not interesting, no one is listening. In that case the meeting has no purpose.

-Aristotle

[Gray]

14 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

-Aristotle

If a high priest reads the lesson manual in the forest and no one is around, does he make a sound?