President Ballard passes away

[Judd]

 

[Calm]

I hope he had been able to put aside the controversy so his last days were full of family, friends, and good things.

[MustardSeed]

I feel strangely guilty. 

[Calm]

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders/2023/11/13/23957261/president-m-russell-ballard-dies-at-age-95-acting-president-quorum-of-the-twelve-apostles

https://www.deseret.com/2023/11/13/23958783/president-m-russell-ballard-dies-at-age-95

https://www.ksl.com/article/50784094/president-m-russell-ballard-of-the-quorum-of-the-twelve-apostles-dies-at-age-95
 

https://www.fox13now.com/news/local-news/lds-apostle-president-m-russell-ballard-dies-at-95

Edited November 13 by Calm

[JAHS]

I think it was quite significant that his last address to the would only about month ago was about the prophet Joseph Smith and the restoration.

[Rain]

I'm grateful for the time I was able to spend with him.  I lucked out being in Key Club with our advisor being a close connection to him. 

We were able to talk with him about what the church was doing about Ethiopia at the time. It opened up my eyes to the idea that money is needed in these circumstances, but how you go about using it is crucial - you can't just throw money to a cause. 

I wasn't well read in world events and talking with him also showed me that there is so much going on in the world that we don't hear about often. 

I appreciate that time he took with us.

[Pyreaux]

RIP Russel... Whatever the truth may had been in the controversy between him, Tim, and OUR much of the truth from Russel's side may be gone forever, having died with him.

[Calm]

53 minutes ago, Pyreaux said:

RIP Russel... Whatever the truth may had been in the controversy between him, Tim, and OUR much of the truth from Russel's side may be gone forever, having died with him.

Don’t you think he would have told his family members?

Edited November 13 by Calm

[Pyreaux]

30 minutes ago, Calm said:

Don’t you think he would have told his family members?

He may or there were other more important things to deal with than whether Vice adequately conveyed all his private feelings and dealings on these matters. Without such assurance, as it stands now, it could have been all secondhand information from someone who maybe wasn't even well this whole time. Its aways too soon. We leave so many things unfinished in our lives.

 

Edited November 13 by Pyreaux

[LoudmouthMormon]

Quote

“I would not do this for money,” President Ballard said. “You could not hire me for money to do what I’m asked to do as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve. But for the Lord, it’s the greatest privilege that could ever be given to a man. We are witnesses of the reality of the life and ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-m-russell-ballard-dies

[The Nehor]

A new vacancy. Really hope they don’t pick me.

[blackstrap]

5 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Really hope they don’t pick me.

You never know. I have seen it cold enough for hell to freeze over. 😎

[InCognitus]

17 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

A new vacancy. Really hope they don’t pick me.

Who knows, desperate times call for desperate measures. 

[MiserereNobis]

What are the rules of succession here? Since he was acting head of the quorum of the 12, does another apostle immediately become the acting head? Is it time-served based, like the prophet?

[bluebell]

3 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

What are the rules of succession here? Since he was acting head of the quorum of the 12, does another apostle immediately become the acting head? Is it time-served based, like the prophet?

It's time based AFAIK so whoever is the next senior apostle in the group behind Oaks would be the next acting head.  I think it would be Elder Holland but that's just off of the top of my head.

[pogi]

9 minutes ago, bluebell said:

It's time based AFAIK so whoever is the next senior apostle in the group behind Oaks would be the next acting head.  I think it would be Elder Holland but that's just off of the top of my head.

Yes, Elder Holland will be the acting head of the quorum.  

There is a good graph on this site showing age and seniority:

Latter-day Apostles by Age, Tenure and Seniority | Threestory Studio

[JustAnAustralian]

Not surprising. When I saw him bear his testimony at conference I thought it sounded very much like a last testimony. Then all of his health issues started happening too.

 

 

 

[Buckeye]

Deleted. There will be time enough on other threads to speculate about succession. This one should remain focused on President  Ballard. 

Edited November 13 by Buckeye

[Tacenda]

I'm sorry for Elder Ballard that this might taint his legacy. Hopefully not, if he did do wrong, he is human. And I hope and believe he was trying to help what he thought was a good cause. I read an article on KSL news, and he sure has a large posterity, even some grand grands! And I am sure he is reunited with his darling wife, and even his great great grandfather Hyrum!

Today is a hard day for me. My mother-in-law who is also 95 fell down and hit her head in the middle of the night, this has happened before. And she isn't responding verbally to anyone now, she has shown decline in the past few weeks, but it is dramatic now. 

I just hate when loved ones pass away, and hope that Elder Ballard's family will have peace and comfort. I know coming from me, that might sound fake, but I truly do, a mistake if there was one, shouldn't encapsulate someone's life, especially if it was a mistake while trying to do good. 

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

I just hate when loved ones pass away, and hope that Elder Ballard's family will have peace and comfort. I know coming from me, that might sound fake…. 

Not in the least.

I hope you and your husband can find the comfort and peace you deserve during your mother in law’s decline.

[Rain]

3 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I'm sorry for Elder Ballard that this might taint his legacy. Hopefully not, if he did do wrong, he is human. And I hope and believe he was trying to help what he thought was a good cause. I read an article on KSL news, and he sure has a large posterity, even some grand grands! And I am sure he is reunited with his darling wife, and even his great great grandfather Hyrum!

Today is a hard day for me. My mother-in-law who is also 95 fell down and hit her head in the middle of the night, this has happened before. And she isn't responding verbally to anyone now, she has shown decline in the past few weeks, but it is dramatic now. 

I just hate when loved ones pass away, and hope that Elder Ballard's family will have peace and comfort. I know coming from me, that might sound fake, but I truly do, a mistake if there was one, shouldn't encapsulate someone's life, especially if it was a mistake while trying to do good. 

So sorry you are going through it.  Really hard on all of you. ❤ you.

[Tacenda]

23 hours ago, Calm said:

Not in the least.

I hope you and your husband can find the comfort and peace you deserve during your mother in law’s decline.

 

21 hours ago, Rain said:

So sorry you are going through it.  Really hard on all of you. ❤ you.

Thank you! My MIL has UTI, a bad one, thank goodness my sister in law mentioned having her tested. And they are doing other tests. 

[Tacenda]