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  1. No. I just find it far more constructive and virtuous to risk being considered an obedient ideologue as opposed to a contrarian, nihilist or dogmatist, especially in the military. If you were the one who signed up to serve your country in the military, it doesn't matter if you were correct to disobey the military leaders. A single act of disobedience renders you useless to the military, and so useless to your country, as no one can depend on you to do anything important. If I want to serve God, and I chose to serve through his church which I believe is true, I should try to obey its leaders, even it if I thought they were incompetent or flawed. I can serve better in the church than outside it. What good is it to cause God's true church nothing but strife, just because I think I know how it should best operate, when God never put me in charge? If the bishop took my tithing and literally flushed it, told one of my confessions during a talk on Sunday, and asked me not to wear my ugly ties to church, as difficult it would be to endure that, I will sustain my Bishop.
  2. Eh, Homework. Well first coming to mind are Rabbinical sources about King Og of Bashan, Goliath, and other Rephaim tribes among the Canaanites were descendants of the Cainite Nephilim that survived the flood. I know they are in the book "Tree of Souls: The Mythology of Judaism (2004)". Which I own and could get more references from it. Origen said Ham's descendants were a "discolored posterity" (Origen, Genesis Homily XVI) Augustine and Ambrose of Milan also thought Hamites carried a curse associated with a darkness of skin and it was a widespread belief shared among Jews, Muslims and Christians. According to Stephen R. Haynes', "Noah's Curse: The Biblical Justification of American Slavery (2002)". I don't own that book, though in my private search for why, I believe that it may have to do with that some of Ham's sons might be named after literal "colors". Just as Kush means black, the meaning of Canaanite and Phoenician by the Greeks, means purple or dark red.
  3. Cain had some visible mark, and its an ancient idea that the Cainites survived the flood, and the prime suspect was by Ham's wife, and at least some of his descendants were called "black" and settled in Africa, such as Kush (which means 'Black') settled in northern Africa and fathered Nimrod. Jews told the Greeks they were descended from Japheth. LDS scripture contributes that Ham married a woman named Egyptus which meant "forbidden" and Sethites were forbidden to marry Cainites. Enoch sees into the future that Canaan, after “much heat”, that was to come upon their land, a blackness “came upon” the children of Canaan. But we've since have had Biblical scholars tell us none-racial Biblical interpretations for why the same races of people frequently change back and forth from "black" to "white" in the Bible and other near-eastern literature. It's been an ancient historical myth that the Canaanites were discolored in someway. But depending who you ask there are variant racial/racist theories out there, like Black religions with very interesting claims about being the true Jews and the whiteness curses, albinos, the sheep and the goats interpreted as curry hair and straight hair... I must say, I was way more fascinated than offended by the idea.
  4. Err, theocratically lite-militant maybe, tomato-tomata. In the military, a superior is always right even when they are wrong. They say east instead of west, you might have a 2 second window to try correcting them before being called out as insubordinate, they'll double down and then you have to do whatever it is even if everyone knows it's wrong. Because there are more important reasons to obey than being right, like for the sake of order and respect for the chain of command. I wasn't elected President, just like I'm not currently called to be a leader in the church, I feel sorry for those that are. So, the least I can do is sustain them, as the church is true and all. While that remains the case to me, it will never be my place to try to critique them. When I go to the JWs and Messianic Jewish meetings, it doesn't matter if I'm right and they are wrong, while I am there, it will never be my place to try to change how an entire religion does things, I'll do it their way.
  5. I think it was right to excommunicate those who ordained Africans before the ban was lifted even if the policy was always wrong. That doesn't mean that the leadership that allowed the ban and excommunicated the activist is invalid, nor that the activist wasn't moved by the spirit though it went against the church. Because the Church is "living", subject to living authorities who are put in charge of it, and a church of order and order may be both lawful and unjust, and so can be right and wrong, everyone must judge where to draw that line for themselves. Even being enlightened and right doesn't put you in charge, does it? The divergent Individual can be both right and wrong also.
  6. I said follow the spirit, but it depends on what conclusion you draw from the Spirit. Is the Spirit telling you a personal truth alternatively or contrary to church teachings, and if so, does that mean you must necessarily leave the church or teach this truth from the pulpit in hopes of changing the church, or secretly apostatize or even plot to kill and usurp the Prophet as it must be that you are the true Prophet... "Look at me, I'm the Prophet now". Or is that being too hasty and perhaps follow up revelations might be in order before you do something drastic.
  7. Well... I was, but apparently, he was only married to one... We still have Orson Scott Card... Ender's Game was a neat film.
  8. So, obedience is satanic? Perhaps you don't know LDS doctrine as much as you think. Jesus' plan was to have everyone obey, though abet willingly. Never saw anything concerning forced obedience being discussed here.
  9. In the Apostolic Era the priestly temple robes were worn in public. The point of wearing just a garment was how one could more discreetly continue to wear temple robes in public today. So, I don't believe that it will ever not be intended to be worn outside the temple. There are sources I know about how there was originally no collar, but it was added for fashion. They now allow tan and green colors for military use.
  10. M3GAN A well-done classic telling of a learning robot going beyond its programming, and its inventor who apparently never considered Isaac Asimov's "rules of robotics". A dark comedic, PG-13, horror. Synopsis: A child's parents die and she goes to live with her emotionally distant aunt who works on advanced robotic toys, who becomes inspired to make a toy companion for her. A life-sized doll, with learning software and wifi, programmed to protect her ward from physical and emotional harm. Spoilers for Content's sake: Assuming you never saw the trailer footage; What do you guess the robot's idea on how to effectively remove the sources of emotional harm becomes? Anyway, people die off the edge of the camera so you can still hear it but don't see it, though you see blood smears. If you are okay with that, it might be an okay horror flick for an adolescent and adult.
  11. Indeed, extending some past-earned trust in your leaders should be worth something before the questionable request arises. If a US soldier has never been asked to do anything morally questionable before and trusts his superiors is one day ordered to shoot an Arab child crying and running towards them, a misjudgment is on their superior's head. You know you aren't working for the Nazis, though it may not be apparent to you that the consequence of disobedience to your superior might only be apparent once the suicide vest goes off. Like Adam and the Altar; Adam obediently built an altar without knowing why. He did however know and trust the character of God who told him, and it ultimately seemed insufficient to the angel for Adam to remain in ignorance. The moral of the story is it seems a virtue to extend some trust, at least for a little while, when asked to do something.
  12. Questions are the bread and butter of the church, though venue is an issue. In Biblical terms, you are rejecting Jesus if you reject those he sends. When the missionary knocks, submit to their teaching and ordinances. Agree that the leaders have authority to lead and understand they are entitled to inspiration over their stewardship, that doesn't mean the Prophet, Bishop, or Missionary, are always inspired. Once you have your own testimony of the church and that its leaders can be inspired, ideally obedience is best course, unless you are inspired otherwise. You should indeed always listen to your own promptings, but try not to work against them, in the modern context of activism. After all, policy is not from the bottom up. For many instances, obedience is ideal over rebellion, not because a leader is infallible, but rather the consequence of error is, for the most part, on their head, not yours. Being on the correct side of an issue isn't necessarily an excuse to openly rebel against it. Like the film States of Grace where the missionaries were constantly facing moral dilemmas and ultimately breaking the mission rules to make a morally correct choice. They should follow their own promptings, but the Church should send them home (or merely release Elder Lozano who for his final act of subversion is to not go home).
  13. I saw the topic "prayer language" and I thought it meant one of the contradictory Protestant forms of the gift of tongues. Is tongues a real language or is it your unique prayer language? It's not both. This however would be the other extreme, would one who thinks language is unimportant explain whether God can always understand you, when even you don't know what it is you are saying?
  14. We are told to pray over our food. Reason being, we are invoking some divine intervention about from whence it came, the means it was obtained, and even its very composition. If I get poisoned, I'll assume either I'm at fault, or someone close to me hates me and has they're agency at my expense.
  15. I know, it seems on the internet these days, when I speak of my blessings, say I ask him that my breakfast is nutritious, and it was. I'll get a reply like, why didn't your God stop a recent school shooting or save a faithful so-and-so from an illness. Gee. I can't say, all I know is since praying over my breakfast has stopped me from getting poisoned so far, so I'll keep thanking God anyways, and consider it wisdom.
  16. There is much at play, the reign of wick people lead by devils is the cause of most evil, agency sometimes prevents inference. He intervenes all the time. Even in minor ways. Some might be the whim of angels and ancestors. On the morning my father was getting sealed in the temple, he lost his wedding ring and couldn't find it any where. Realizing that it wasn't that important, he proceeded to open a new and sealed white shirt and put it on. While in the temple, his parents met him and went in to do sealings for the dead. While they were gone a bit, my dad felt something drop into his new shirt pocket, and it was indeed his ring. The family thinks it was the deed of a grateful ancestor his parents were doing work for. One evening my mother had left baby-me at pool side lounge chairs with my dad, aunt and uncle while she went to go get snacks. When she had gone, she felt the strong impression that she needed to go back. When she returned, baby-me was not there. She looked in the pool, and baby-me was at the bottom. She dove in and brought me up, and I was fine. I had fell in with no one noticing. Sometimes nothing changes. Fast forward She was told she might die giving birth to my sister, 8-year old me had a dream of her leaving on a cloud. The next day was fast Sunday, I told my dad I was fasting, and she gave birth, my dad must have told my mom, ever since she says I saved her life. However, my mother's been suffering from chronic pancreatitis, and has for decades despite my prayers. Though she had prayed for healthy children, and that she would take the pains and sicknesses of her children so they didn't have to. I think she's the longest surviving pancreatitis patient there is. That is a lot of suffering that couldn't be stopped. When something catastrophic (he didn't die) happened to my father, it seemed like the world had ended. I kneeled and strained my prayer of desperation to make things better. And after a while, determined not to stop. I felt a finger I couldn't see touch me on (or through) my forehead, I felt a peace so great, I never felt it before or since, and a knowledge that everything was going to be okay. I kick myself for not asking more questions, like if the Book of Mormon is true or something, when I felt I had divine attention. Anyway, the point is, nothing had changed. My ability to endure it increased, as the trainwreck in slow-motion continued to wreck for years. I had to take care my mom and sisters. Yes, I believe he does intervene, even small things, mysterious things, and times He won't. For reasons we'll never know in this life. Sometimes it just enough that He intervenes to let you know He's there, even though we'd rather have Him intervene the way you wished he would. Am I to feel guilty if God saved my life and sends an angel to find my lost keys but won't give my brother a testimony when he prayed for one or didn't save the life of my stillborn sibling?
  17. Yes, this in Sheol, where there is Paradise, a place of light above, in the bottom pit "in darkness" is a Prison, Tartarus/Gehenna where they await resurrection. They have not been "cast out" yet into the Lake of Fire which Jews think perhaps lays within Great Gulf, they have spectacular view, a "fearful looking" of a "fiery indignation". If they remain there, in the future "these shall be cast out into outer darkness". Josephus' Discourse To The Greeks Concerning Hades might explain it well. [1] NOW as to Hades... in it perpetual darkness. This region is allotted as a place of custody for souls, ill which angels are appointed as guardians to them, who distribute to them temporary punishments, agreeable to every one's behavior and manners. [2] In this region there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God... the unjust.. shall be adjudged to this everlasting punishment... the just shall obtain an incorruptible and never-fading kingdom. These are now indeed confined in Hades, but not in the same place wherein the unjust are confined. [3] For there is one descent into this region, at whose gate we believe there stands an archangel with an host; which gate when those pass through that are conducted down by the angels appointed over souls, they do not go the same way; but the just are guided to the right hand... unto a region of light, in which the just have dwelt from the beginning of the world... This place we call The Bosom of Abraham. [4] But as to the unjust, they are dragged by force to the left hand by the angels allotted for punishment... and to thrust them still downwards... into the neighborhood of hell itself; who, when they are hard by it, continually hear the noise of it, and do not stand clear of the hot vapor itself; but when they have a near view of this spectacle, as of a terrible and exceeding great prospect of fire, they are struck with a fearful expectation of a future judgment, and in effect punished thereby: and not only so, but where they see the place [or choir] of the fathers and of the just, even hereby are they punished; for a chaos deep and large is fixed between them; insomuch that a just man that hath compassion upon them cannot be admitted, nor can one that is unjust, if he were bold enough to attempt it, pass over it. [5] This is the discourse concerning Hades, wherein the souls of all men are confined until a proper season, which God hath determined, when he will make a resurrection of all men from the dead...
  18. Similar to Catholic tradition, the LDS tradition since 1830 did not encourage cremation of the dead, unless the law requires it. It's somewhat reflected in the customs that the body of a deceased member who has been endowed should be dressed in temple clothing and deposited into priestly dedicated soil. The idea seems to be the day of resurrection will involve the reconstitution of your original bodily remains, clothing you were buried in, and come forth at the very location you were placed. Like Jesus had. I can see how that might be hard, or simply won't happen, if your ashes were scattered into the wind. The consequences according to the Lore as I was told, if there was nothing left of you, your body would then have to be remade entirely, a completely new body. Not a big deal, but there was this idea that your appearance and other such characteristics might be different. Some shutter at the thought, and others thought that it might even be appealing to those who may have not liked their old body anyways. I'm still looking for the origin for this portion of the lore. Perhaps, someone knows. Any experiences to share? We cremated the family dog. We wanted it to move with us anyway. My mom wants it buried with her, and a few her rings which I'd never consider burying myself with material things. Anyone want to argue the virtues of burials, respect for the dead and sacred ground? Or the practical, sanitary, economical, virtues of cremation?
  19. I've been seeing photos like this, red hair and red beard. It was apparently that old Science Channel program I posted, where at the end, Dr. Joseph Lorenz from Coriell Institute for Medical Research said his DND testing showed they were European; this program has been the source of the conspiracy theory ever since.
  20. I gave it a try but I was only finding fringe forums throwing some names like "Dr. Joseph Lorenz from Coriell Institute for Medical Research was also searching for the DNA markers typical of “Native Americans” in the DNA samples taken from the bones of five individuals from Windover. He did not find what he was looking for... [they] looked European.” conspiratorial debates over X6 and X2a and their European origins that went on until I went cross-eyed and decided to come back here to simply report my failure. If they are Asian they sure looked like redheaded white people that dressed in plaid, but I'll retract my statement.
  21. Yeah, it's an old Science Channel program, it was discovered back in 1982, studied by Glen Doran and David ****el, archeologists from Florida State University (FSU). Let's see, ah, everyone's favorite academic reference Wikipedia
  22. There were also Redheaded white people living in Ancient Asia, they uncovered the mummies buried inside the pyramids in China and covered back over by the suddenly disinterested Chinese Government.
  23. All Scientists have a degree of bias because they are dependent on funding by special interest groups, and they fear the political hailstorm of discovering anything that could suggest that any or all Native structures and achievements were done by other people, particularly white people, and give the hated "fringe" scientists that push that "racist" narrative of pre-Columbus transoceanic travel and diffusionism any credence. There are a bunch of myths from the Aztecs to the Navajo that say their ancestors came to where they were by boat, and none claim they crossed a frozen area from the north. There are ancient Chinese fleet ship anchors in the waters off the Californian coast. Chile was settled long before anyone came over the Bering Strait, so they must have come by boat. The Cocaine Mummies show there was a massive world-wide transoceanic trade from Egypt to South America. There is clear evidence of transoceanic diffusion by non-Siberian people, like the discovery of the transoceanic Kennewick Man, they reburied him, because it was too hot politically. Florida’s Windover Bog Mummies are carbon dated 7000 years old, and they were very white and wearing plaid fabric. It's been over a decade, and they still don't talk about these things when they talk about how Native Americans got here.
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