Stargazer Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 8 hours ago, Teancum said: Freedom from thought and mind control high demand organizations is a wonderful thing. For what its worth, and maybe I'm an idiot, but I've never felt like my thoughts or mind were being controlled by the church. Far from it. 2
ttribe Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 5 minutes ago, SteveO said: The whole thread is a troll…it’s what happy and content people do 🙄 Is it a troll or wondering what the responses would be from the faithful? 1
SteveO Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 3 minutes ago, ttribe said: Is it a troll or wondering what the responses would be from the faithful? Oh, so you were hoping the faithful to give a response you weren’t expecting?
ttribe Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, SteveO said: Oh, so you were hoping the faithful to give a response you weren’t expecting? Uhhh...I'm not the OP.
SteveO Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 Just now, ttribe said: Uhhh...I'm not the OP. Thanks for your unsolicited input then.
ttribe Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, SteveO said: Thanks for your unsolicited input then. My, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine? Here's a picture of a car that makes me feel happy, maybe it will help you, too: 1
Teancum Posted January 18, 2022 Author Posted January 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: Oh, Teancum's just like that mon Capitain. I take his downvotes as badges of honor. Look, see, here comes one now ... (To be fair, is it possible you were editing the post as he was downvoting the original?) Do you ever offer anything of substance? -1
Teancum Posted January 18, 2022 Author Posted January 18, 2022 4 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: I too can prepare a recommendation to one of the Brethren. That does not give it any sort of official sanction or status. It is merely my opinion, hopefully backed by substantive data and analysis. In any case, this is not an LDS Church document. Really? 1
Fether Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Teancum said: I have read the fictional Book of Mormon at least 20 plus times that included in depth study. Did you read the part where it says Nephi‘s words are true? Was that not convincing??? 1
SteveO Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 4 minutes ago, ttribe said: My, aren't you just a little ray of sunshine? Here's a picture of a car that makes me feel happy, maybe it will help you, too: Great place to put all that tithing money 1
Teancum Posted January 18, 2022 Author Posted January 18, 2022 21 minutes ago, Stargazer said: For what its worth, and maybe I'm an idiot, but I've never felt like my thoughts or mind were being controlled by the church. Far from it. Most in the clutches of a mind control organization say the same thing.
Stargazer Posted January 18, 2022 Posted January 18, 2022 8 hours ago, The Nehor said: I admit I have a hard time taking Ben Shapiro seriously when he suggests people unplug and get back to reality considering his whole life is informational and largely online and his attempts to show him in reality often end like this: That is a guy who has no idea what lumber is for or how to make anything out of it. ”I would like a piece of wood and would you please bag that for me?” Are you serious? Or have you really bought and drank the entire pitcher of Kool-aid? He went to Home Depot to buy something there, in this case a piece of wood, to pose for a video and photo commemorating his purchase, in order to demonstrate pushing back against a call to boycott Home Depot because they dared to refuse to take a stance on the State of Georgia's 2021 voting legislation that the Left was then having a hissy-fit over. Even Russia-Today recognized what was going on: "Shapiro’s video and purchase were meant as a symbolic stance against calls for a boycott of the company after they released a statement taking an apolitical stance on Georgia’s new voting legislation, which other organizations like Coca-Cola and Major League Baseball (MLB) have stood firmly against." I have no idea whether Shapiro knows how to pound nails into a piece of wood or not. But it should be flipping obvious that the bag covers the piece of wood so that the Home Depot logo is obvious -- demonstrating that it was bought from Home Depot instead of just being a random piece of lumber. So, instead of seeing the point, the Left woke mob squints and unleashes trash-talk about how could anyone be so stupid as to put a piece of wood into a bag?!?! It's pretty typical, actually. Do you know that I once posted a comment on a Facebook friend's feed and got called a racist by the "friend" and his coterie of fellow-posters? And why? Because I dared to post a comment that failed to call President Trump a racist. Instead of calling Trump a racist I posted to correct another poster's fact claim (while ranting about Trump he stated something that was actually incorrect). I don't remember what the misstatement of fact was, but it actually had no bearing on whether Trump was a racist or not -- he was just factually incorrect. And I didn't attempt to defend myself further in that thread -- as it was obvious they were involved in a "hate fest." What I did do, however, was to go to my own news feed to describe what had just happened to me, without mentioning the "friend", to express my perplexity and dismay over what happened. And then guess what? This "friend" followed me to my own newsfeed to start accusing me again of racism! Until my own "in real life" friends started posting in response to his accusation that they'd known me for decades and there wasn't a chance that I was a racist. He finally backed down to the lesser crime of "accessory to racism". You ever read Orwell's 1984? In that prescient novel, there is the "Two Minutes Hate." It's "the daily, public period during which members of the Outer Party of Oceania must watch a film depicting the enemies of the state, specifically Emmanuel Goldstein and his followers, to openly and loudly express hatred for them. The political purpose of the Two Minutes Hate is to allow the citizens of Oceania to vent their existential anguish and personal hatreds towards politically expedient enemies: Goldstein and the enemy superstate of the moment. In re-directing the members' subconscious feelings away from the Party's government of Oceania, and towards non-existent external enemies, the Party minimises thoughtcrime and the consequent, subversive behaviours of thoughtcriminals." That's what was going on in that hatefest where I was called a racist. While everyone was loudly and vehemently demonstrating their hatred of the thoughtcriminal of the moment, I dared to tell one of them that "Actually, the Leaning Tower of Pisa is in Italy, not Spain." 1
Stargazer Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Teancum said: Most in the clutches of a mind control organization say the same thing. That's actually what I was expecting you to say! Thanks for confirming my expectations. 3
SteveO Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Are you serious? Or have you really bought and drank the entire pitcher of Kool-aid? He went to Home Depot to buy something there, in this case a piece of wood, to pose for a video and photo commemorating his purchase, in order to demonstrate pushing back against a call to boycott Home Depot because they dared to refuse to take a stance on the State of Georgia's 2021 voting legislation that the Left was then having a hissy-fit over. Even Russia-Today recognized what was going on: "Shapiro’s video and purchase were meant as a symbolic stance against calls for a boycott of the company after they released a statement taking an apolitical stance on Georgia’s new voting legislation, which other organizations like Coca-Cola and Major League Baseball (MLB) have stood firmly against." I have no idea whether Shapiro knows how to pound nails into a piece of wood or not. But it should be flipping obvious that the bag covers the piece of wood so that the Home Depot logo is obvious -- demonstrating that it was bought from Home Depot instead of just being a random piece of lumber. So, instead of seeing the point, the Left woke mob squints and unleashes trash-talk about how could anyone be so stupid as to put a piece of wood into a bag?!?! This is correct, but I thought he was joking.
Stargazer Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, SteveO said: This is correct, but I thought he was joking. You can't joke in this New Woke World. There's a tik-tok video going around where a substitute teacher reports being fired because she didn't take a pupil's claim of identifying as a cat seriously, by "meowing" back at a child who "meowed" at her. We live in a very odd time. 1
Tacenda Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 5 minutes ago, Stargazer said: You can't joke in this New Woke World. There's a tik-tok video going around where a substitute teacher reports being fired because she didn't take a pupil's claim of identifying as a cat seriously, by "meowing" back at a child who "meowed" at her. We live in a very odd time. I don't fricking believe it!
JLHPROF Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 10 minutes ago, Stargazer said: You can't joke in this New Woke World. There's a tik-tok video going around where a substitute teacher reports being fired because she didn't take a pupil's claim of identifying as a cat seriously, by "meowing" back at a child who "meowed" at her. We live in a very odd time. People get offended about everything. That's nothing new. The difference is we now treat their being offended as something that should be addressed. 4 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I don't fricking believe it! Why?
rodheadlee Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Teancum said: Happy to oblige. Better not to post than to post a never mind. Well i did post, but i didn't like it. 1
carbon dioxide Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) I think as members we have paid too much attention on growth rates and membership numbers. Perhaps this misguided view that the world would convert to the gospel. It is true that Daniel 2 says the church will eventually fill the whole earth but no time table is given with it. I think that will occur sometime in the 1000 year millennium period when it will be so much easier for people to accept the gospel. All we have to do is do our job and not worry but the things outside our control. Noah was not able to convince many people in his day of the truth but that does not mean he failed or was a bad missionary. If people choose not to join the church or leave the church, that is their problem. The scriptures say those that inherit the Telestial Kingdom will number as the sands of the sea. That is a lot of people who are going to fail the test of life and receive that reward. None of us are accountable for the decisions of other people. If people decide to jump the plank and drown the in seas, what are we to do. Time is on our side just as time was on the side of the Nephites in early 3rd Nephi. The enemies of the Church where chalking up nice short term victories. They probably thought of themselves as wise, rational, and progressive. That came to an end. The righteous Nephites in those days continue to do well and are happy and those that were not righteous are still pretty miserable to this day. Life is like a football game. Sometimes you are up and sometimes you are down but all that matters is the final score at the end of the game. We need to stop worrying about what is not in our control. As the world is gets more wicked, baptism rates should decline and more people will fall away. Conditions will get better in the future but that will require the Lord to do a lot of humbling of the world first. Perhaps humanity as a whole needs a good beat down before that will happen. We know how the game ends. We know the vast majority of the world will not accept the gospel The Doctrine and Covenants, Section 5:18-19 18 And their testimony shall also go forth unto the condemnation of this generation if they harden their hearts against them; 19 For a desolating scourge shall go forth among the inhabitants of the earth, and shall continue to be poured out from time to time, if they repent not, until the earth is empty, and the inhabitants thereof are consumed away and utterly destroyed by the brightness of my coming. Our job is the proclaim the gospel and even if the people reject, it is a win because our testimony does work towards the condemnation of the world. So just keep moving forward. Edited January 19, 2022 by carbon dioxide 2
Olmec Donald Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 21 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: Our job is the proclaim the gospel and even if the people reject, it is a win because our testimony does work towards the condemnation of the world. [emphasis Donald's] How is condemnation "a win"? Who is it "a win" for? Edited January 19, 2022 by Olmec Donald
2BizE Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 I think the church is very concerned with the decline of church membership. I believe this video is from 2013 and looking at data from 2009. I could be off a little on the dates. Church leaders in this video are very concerned about declining youth numbers. In case us old folks forget, it is the youth that will be around in 10-20 years when many of us have departed this life. How many of them will remain members? According to this video, 75% of youth are inactive. Only 6% of international youth under 30 are married in the temple. Times continue to change and compared to 30 years ago, the change has been significant.
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: Oh, Teancum's just like that mon Capitain. I take his downvotes as badges of honor. Look, see, here comes one now ... It's evidence of just how happy he is! 2
Popular Post Calm Posted January 19, 2022 Popular Post Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, Teancum said: Here is something from the Church to back this up: https://faenrandir.github.io/a_careful_examination/documents/faith_crisis_study/Faith_Crisis_R28e.pdf No, it is not from the Church. Why is this falsehood kept being repeated by otherwise knowledgeable people? It is clear from the description a number of academics, critics, former members and members got together and decided to create a study that would be given to church leaders to influence their choices in the future. Iirc, they had one presentation given to a group of leaders and early consultations with Elder Jensen iirc, but other arranged meetings never came about and they simply submitted the final report to be read. Some leaders were reported as acknowledging they had reviewed it, but it doesn’t sound like there was much beyond politeness in the reception to me given the people doing the description of events are biased to present them in a positive way (as anyone would be). Read how it came about in the last section. It was volunteered to the church only. It may have had an impact just the way they assumed or even more, it may have had none, it may have had a completely different impact than expected (there was a rumor going around that the Church was going to shift to allowing pants for women where they hadn’t before shortly before the pants to church day protest occurred, once the protest occurred plans were dropped; Imo the number of changes for women were also slowed during the time period of OrdainWomen’s visible protesting; sometimes pushing the Church forward leads to it stopping to take its time). But what ever impact the study had, it was not produced by the Church. I wish the studies done by the Church were released. I am not antistudy or anti the claims made in this study. It might be accurate. But it is not church sponsored, not “from” or “by” the Church. It was “for” the Church in the same way a birthday gift is for the receiver. I get excited there is something new every time I read “here is a study from the Church”. And then I see it is just this again. Stop teasing me, please! Edited January 19, 2022 by Calm 5
Hamba Tuhan Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Stargazer said: For what its worth, and maybe I'm an idiot, but I've never felt like my thoughts or mind were being controlled by the church. That's because they're controlling your feelings too. 1 hour ago, Teancum said: Most in the clutches of a mind control organization say the same thing. Jinx! Edited January 19, 2022 by Hamba Tuhan 1
Tacenda Posted January 19, 2022 Posted January 19, 2022 54 minutes ago, JLHPROF said: People get offended about everything. That's nothing new. The difference is we now treat their being offended as something that should be addressed. Why? Because I'm a sub and I just don't believe I would be forced to "meow" back. Don't believe everything you read or see on Tik Tok.
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