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  1. & @bluebell Honestly, I bet they made the men’s page only because they made a sisters page. There are plenty of stuff sisters would find more interesting than brothers (as evident of the page). You can’t make a sisters page without a brothers
  2. As a brother myself, I would say the resources I need are found everywhere else in gospel library.
  3. It’s not. I was thinking of that same point actually. As far as I can tell, the only reason this is a topic is because someone thinks this is an issue of some sort.
  4. Click on it. It just takes you a page that tells you to go somewhere else.
  5. The Men’s section literally only has videos on Father’s Day
  6. I agree, but so many aren’t taught to be familiar with the spirit. Others aren’t convinced their understanding of the spirit is correct so when someone challenges it, they don’t have a leg to stand on. Others are taught that the gospel is just here for social belonging… but I also feel it is more complicated than this… not sure what else to add though
  7. I think this has a huge factor in it all. It isn’t the cause, and I think you make a great point about training up your child. But today we have instant access to all the arguments against the church. Dozens of Podcasts release anti and unorthodox info about the church every week. PDFs full of critical info on the church being shared in mass. Faulty whistleblowers and legal disputes being paraded around. Was this normal in the past? I have no idea.
  8. Correct me if I’m wrong, but you aren’t in the US are you? Yes. . With the invention of the internet, the anti-Mormons were quicker to the draw with revealing their interpretations of lesser known Church history than the church. I also think that because the internet wasn’t around, there were not as many easily accessible voices attacking the church. Lastly, I could be wrong, but I feel the atmosphere of the US up until like 2005 was vastly Christianized. Today, we have so many social movements that are inherently anti-Christian. And these movements are built on the idea of love and anyone who goes against it is full of hate. As for why individuals leave There are many many causes to this, there isn’t just one. Some feel they were lied to, some were not taught correct principle growing up and so they misunderstand doctrine and why the church does things, some just want to leave
  9. Please do share. I’m really not looking for an argument. What scriptures do you literally take to mean this?
  10. What leads you to expect this?
  11. I was using the traditional Christian definition of it. Yes, many (if not most) believe you will burn for all eternity if you do not accept the concept of the trinity
  12. But that isn’t what we are saying. We didn’t rename Christ, we aren’t claiming he is a different person entirely, we just believe his nature is different than what other describe.
  13. It is important, as is reading scripture and saying prayer every day. but it goes beyond important. Many Christians believe you will be damned if you don’t understand and accept the trinity in its entirety.
  14. I’m referring to accepting the trinity in concept, not the beings that make up said trinity.
  15. But wouldn’t that be more like “you don’t understand Christ” not “that is a different Christ”. It’s like two people describing Donald Trump. They say different things about him but it’s still the same person
  16. I understand the difference. My question is why do so many Christians demand we accept the trinity? It seems, after all Christ has done and all the beautiful doctrine, how does rejecting the trinity damn one to hell?
  17. This is what I have to believe too. I believe whole heartedly in the doctrine I choose to follow, but at the end of the day it is all faith and hope. Knowledge will come later.
  18. This is another point I bring up. At what point does or misunderstanding of God damn us? Again, it goes back to the idea of salvation by theological study
  19. I have heard the notion that we (latter-day Saints) worship the wrong Jesus many times in my life. As I push that comment further, I have always found that it is entirely because we believe in the God head and not the trinity. I then follow up with the question “so salvation is not found in accepting Christ, or by his grace and mercy, or in the blood of Christ? But rather salvation is found through theological study of God and his nature and coming to a correct conclusion?” To which I haven’t heard anything convincing or really all that informative. So what is so important about believing in the trinity for traditional Christians? Many will say that if you don’t believe in the trinitarian nature, you are not only wrong, but at risk of damnation
  20. I’d like to point out that Pres Hinkley made the statement so it’s him who gets to qualify what he meant be that, not us.
  21. Obviously the church doesn’t see it that way, is that enough to satisfy any concerns?
  22. Can I just say that there is one phrase he said that I REALLY appreciate… but no one is talking about: “I and many of my brethren have spent more time and shed more tears on this subject than we could ever adequately convey to you this morning, or any morning. We have spent hours discussing what the doctrine of the church can and cannot provide the individuals and families struggling over this difficult issue. So, it is with scar tissue of our own that we are trying to avoid — and hope all will try to avoid — language, symbols, and situations that are more divisive than unifying at the very time we want to show love for all of God’s children.” - ELDER HOLLAND
  23. This is where prayer comes in, and why the church won’t budge without direct revelation.
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