Popular Post bluebell Posted December 15, 2021 Popular Post Posted December 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, ttribe said: It's amazing how you could demonstrate so little knowledge in so many words. I was going to reply to that post but there was just so much wrong with it I couldn't force myself to engage. 6
Stargazer Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 16 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I disrespectfully disagree. And the numbers hurt and killed bear that out. Also: Essentially, what you're saying is that anyone whom Antifa attacks is a fascist. Nicely circular! Like all these fascists here (warning for language): Antifa Attacks Worship Rally - Portland Oregon Portland antifa attack fellow counter-protester carrying American flag Antifa attacks GOP headquarters in NYC ANTIFA attacks Free Speech Leader (calling him "N"-word of course) and a police officer just stands by Eugene Antifa Attacks Old Man With One Eye And His Dog And Steal His Flag Antifa attacks a Latino, a Transgender and an elder lady in San Francisco! Portland ANTIFA ATTACKS families at Portland Prayer Gathering 8-7-2021 Antifa Attacks Boston Protesters Who Oppose Government Mandates ANTIFA ATTACK CHRISTIAN WORSHIPPERS WITH GRENADES AT MUSIC EVENT PORTLAND 4
Robert F. Smith Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 5 hours ago, smac97 said: ........................ Quote If online threats “of illegal acts occur,” the new section says, “law enforcement should be contacted immediately.” ................... Good advice, not only for LDS Church members, but also for members of other churches, as well as school teachers and administrators in general. It strikes me that well-meaning people often fail to take matters in hand early enough to prevent real damage. Well-meaning clerics often imagine that they can solve dangerous problems without the intervention of the justice system. They ought to act in tandem with the justice system. At the same time, the internet is filled with rage-aholics who have complete contempt for the justice system. They want to substitute their own form of vigilante justice. All of which leads to chaos. 3
Robert F. Smith Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, Stargazer said: ........................ Like all these fascists here .................... The problem, of course, is that both the Left and the Right hate the Constitution and rule of law. They are unwilling to allow the justice system to work, or to allow the Supreme Court to decide cases. That takes patience and forbearance, but it is the civilized way. Without it we have chaos. 3
Robert F. Smith Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 2 hours ago, CV75 said: I wonder if discouraging this technique will result in a decline in the number of full tithe payers. Or in volunteers for household moves. Would we be better focused on Kentucky in its hour of need, and our magnificent emergency system -- supported by those tithes?
Craig Speechly Posted December 15, 2021 Posted December 15, 2021 The Deznat profiled in the KUTV story lives near me. I've met him. He seems like a decent fellow, ran for city council in North Ogden where he was rightly defeated.
Robert F. Smith Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, bluebell said: I'm glad that the church has put this in the handbook. Let's face it, we all justify bad behavior sometimes. We all also sometimes think that our bad behavior is justified because of someone else's bad behavior too. It's so easy to be self-righteous, and so easy to let that weakness drag us into even worse behavior. These kinds of reminders are good for the soul. The world is drowning in moral superiority right now and members have not escaped the inclination. Yup. My question is Why is bluebell the only one here who gets it? Edited December 16, 2021 by Robert F. Smith 4
The Nehor Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Stargazer said: Essentially, what you're saying is that anyone whom Antifa attacks is a fascist. Nicely circular! Like all these fascists here (warning for language): Antifa Attacks Worship Rally - Portland Oregon Portland antifa attack fellow counter-protester carrying American flag Antifa attacks GOP headquarters in NYC ANTIFA attacks Free Speech Leader (calling him "N"-word of course) and a police officer just stands by Eugene Antifa Attacks Old Man With One Eye And His Dog And Steal His Flag Antifa attacks a Latino, a Transgender and an elder lady in San Francisco! Portland ANTIFA ATTACKS families at Portland Prayer Gathering 8-7-2021 Antifa Attacks Boston Protesters Who Oppose Government Mandates ANTIFA ATTACK CHRISTIAN WORSHIPPERS WITH GRENADES AT MUSIC EVENT PORTLAND I did not say that. I said it is good to punch Nazis. I am not a member of Antifa. You can’t really be a member. I am not a backer of everyone who claims the name. I believe Antifa is morally superior to the white supremacists they oppose but that does not mean I feel the need to justify everyone who claims to be Antifa. 1
The Nehor Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 3 hours ago, MorningStar said: Just like these brave, sane soldiers! Oh, we are going to play this game? Okay. Interesting comparison at the end there. 2
The Nehor Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: The problem, of course, is that both the Left and the Right hate the Constitution and rule of law. They are unwilling to allow the justice system to work, or to allow the Supreme Court to decide cases. That takes patience and forbearance, but it is the civilized way. Without it we have chaos. Neville Chamberlain? They told me you were dead!
Tacenda Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Would we be better focused on Kentucky in its hour of need, and our magnificent emergency system -- supported by those tithes? Why yes, yes we would.
MorningStar Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 12 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Oh, we are going to play this game? Okay. Interesting comparison at the end there. What game? Buffalo man is nuts too. 😂 1
CV75 Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, BRMC said: Why? 2 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Would we be better focused on Kentucky in its hour of need, and our magnificent emergency system -- supported by those tithes? It was a (meta)joke, as if I did not understand that which I actually fully support. So I won't make a joke about punching Nazis being OK if it is consensual. Edited December 16, 2021 by CV75 2
JustAnAustralian Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 38 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Oh, we are going to play this game? 2
Popular Post MorningStar Posted December 16, 2021 Popular Post Posted December 16, 2021 My point, Nehor is that there are a lot of deranged people who think they’re fighting against fascists while they act like fascists themselves. I know that “Antifa” stands for antifascist, but morons have hijacked the name to mean something quite different and they do in fact coordinate with each other to attack people on Twitter, Facebook groups, and whine when their “food trucks” are rendered useless (which carry things other than food). I’m not a fan of any groups causing trouble for innocent people. Ted Wheeler pandered to these supposed anti-fascists and denied their existence until he couldn’t anymore. The “idea” set his building on fire and he had to move. The “idea” targeted my town and neighboring one. The “idea” rented a U-Haul and showed up to loot a strip mall and moved on because armed citizens and police were there to tell them no. The “idea” scared the crap out of my kids when we were told they were coming into our neighborhood. They moved on and destroyed small businesses elsewhere. The “idea” pretends to care about causes they don’t. Many of them have records and are registered offenders. They want police abolished - not defunded - abolished. They want prisons gone and that’s because they had legal consequences they deserved. These losers tried to trap people in buildings and set them on fire. They think all police are nazis and therefore they are justified in trying to burn them alive. Back to the actual subject. Church members like the one I mentioned earlier should face church discipline for unhinged rants and violent wishes like a man I know. Our missionaries in the area have been thoroughly embarrassed by him. They offer a free Book of Mormon online and he jumps in and starts ranting about other religions, ethnic groups, etc. Constantly brags about carrying concealed and said a certain religious group should be “exterminated.” 🤦♀️ I reported and got a call from both the FBI and Secret Service for his threats against Obama’s family and more. In the end he gave the “right answers” and showed some remorse instead of doubling down, yet he remains a moron. 8
Popular Post MiserereNobis Posted December 16, 2021 Popular Post Posted December 16, 2021 4 hours ago, why me said: The word Nazi is a shortened term for a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party. The official name for North Korea is the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. Since you are using the official name of the Nazi party to claim that Nazis are socialists, would you then also argue that North Korea is a democratic republic, based on its official name? (or maybe... dictators like to misuse words for their own purposes? just a thought) 6
The Nehor Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, MorningStar said: My point, Nehor is that there are a lot of deranged people who think they’re fighting against fascists while they act like fascists themselves. I know that “Antifa” stands for antifascist, but morons have hijacked the name to mean something quite different and they do in fact coordinate with each other to attack people on Twitter, Facebook groups, and whine when their “food trucks” are rendered useless (which carry things other than food). I’m not a fan of any groups causing trouble for innocent people. Ted Wheeler pandered to these supposed anti-fascists and denied their existence until he couldn’t anymore. The “idea” set his building on fire and he had to move. The “idea” targeted my town and neighboring one. The “idea” rented a U-Haul and showed up to loot a strip mall and moved on because armed citizens and police were there to tell them no. The “idea” scared the crap out of my kids when we were told they were coming into our neighborhood. They moved on and destroyed small businesses elsewhere. The “idea” pretends to care about causes they don’t. Many of them have records and are registered offenders. They want police abolished - not defunded - abolished. They want prisons gone and that’s because they had legal consequences they deserved. These losers tried to trap people in buildings and set them on fire. They think all police are nazis and therefore they are justified in trying to burn them alive. Back to the actual subject. Church members like the one I mentioned earlier should face church discipline for unhinged rants and violent wishes like a man I know. Our missionaries in the area have been thoroughly embarrassed by him. They offer a free Book of Mormon online and he jumps in and starts ranting about other religions, ethnic groups, etc. Constantly brags about carrying concealed and said a certain religious group should be “exterminated.” 🤦♀️ I reported and got a call from both the FBI and Secret Service for his threats against Obama’s family and more. In the end he gave the “right answers” and showed some remorse instead of doubling down, yet he remains a moron. I have always said that anyone can claim to be Antifa and that I do not support all actions done under the name of Antifa. No one does. You can’t. Many of those actions are self-contradictions. Always the same. During the Civil Rights Movement its opponents insisted that those involved were all supportive of the most violent acts done in their name. It worked then and it works now. It shouldn’t. 3
MorningStar Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 15 minutes ago, The Nehor said: I have always said that anyone can claim to be Antifa and that I do not support all actions done under the name of Antifa. No one does. You can’t. Many of those actions are self-contradictions. Always the same. During the Civil Rights Movement its opponents insisted that those involved were all supportive of the most violent acts done in their name. It worked then and it works now. It shouldn’t. Even the word “patriot” has been tainted. This is one of my favorite things. 😂 3
JAHS Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 So here's what the actual intention of the handbook changes are about. 2
sunstoned Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 7 hours ago, smac97 said: Sadly, I figured this. And who are the "Nazis"? Anyone that anyone else arbitrarily and/or summarily designates as such. I am ashamed that a member of the Church is doing what you are doing. That you are doing to after having received clear instruction from the Brethren only makes it worse. Thanks, -Smac I can't speak for Nehor, but I think he is just messing with you to get you all agitated. 1
sunstoned Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Good advice, not only for LDS Church members, but also for members of other churches, as well as school teachers and administrators in general. It strikes me that well-meaning people often fail to take matters in hand early enough to prevent real damage. Well-meaning clerics often imagine that they can solve dangerous problems without the intervention of the justice system. They ought to act in tandem with the justice system. At the same time, the internet is filled with rage-aholics who have complete contempt for the justice system. They want to substitute their own form of vigilante justice. All of which leads to chaos. This is so true. We saw this in spades on January 6th. 1
The Nehor Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 2 hours ago, JustAnAustralian said: Does your person hate America? 2
JLHPROF Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) Quote Latter-day Saints should share uplifting content, the updated handbook says, and “strive to be Christlike to others at all times, including online, and reflect a sincere respect for all of God’s children.” Not even God or Christ themselves meet this criteria. The recorded word of God wouldn't even pass muster if the only thing referenced ever was to be positive and uplifting and never condoned violence. This isn't some Disneyfied world. Edited December 16, 2021 by JLHPROF
Scott Lloyd Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Quote Latter-day Saints should share uplifting content, the updated handbook says, and “strive to be Christlike to others at all times, including online, and reflect a sincere respect for all of God’s children.” Expand Not even God or Christ themselves meet this criteria. The recorded word of God wouldn't even pass muster if the only thing referenced ever was to be positive and uplifting and never condoned violence. This isn't some Disneyfied world. So you’re saying that “not even … Christ” is Christlike? I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more self-contradictory assertion. Or are you saying the Church leaders (the issuers of the handbook) lack a true concept of what it means to be Christlike and thus are using the term inauthentically? Edited December 16, 2021 by Scott Lloyd
Scott Lloyd Posted December 16, 2021 Posted December 16, 2021 8 hours ago, bluebell said: I was going to reply to that post but there was just so much wrong with it I couldn't force myself to engage. Can you cite maybe two or things that are wrong with it? Because I just read it, and I’m not seeing anything glaringly wrong.
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