Clean up your act online, church tells Latter-day Saints

[The Nehor]

Just now, MiserereNobis said:

Absolutely he was. I was just defending the overall principle, not any specific application to Antifa's.

I am surprised at the direction of this thread. The OP pointed out great directions from the LDS leaders. Then the OP quoted a specific thread from long ago and used the current directions as evidence to bolster an old argument. That was unexpected, honestly, and rather personal, since the thread was long gone.

Did you lose in court this morning, smac?  

Probably got punched this morning in a false flag operation.

[Stargazer]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Yes.

A Nazi. He has shown he is perfectly okay with violence as long as it is directed at the right people. He is a fascist and could use a few more punches.

So... he's a Nazi because he is perfectly okay with violence as long as it is directed at the right people. But the people who attack him, who are perfectly okay with violence as long as it is directed at the right people, are not Nazis.

Interesting chain of logic there, butch.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2021 by Stargazer

[CV75]

I wonder if discouraging this technique will result in a decline in the number of full tithe payers.

Or in volunteers for household moves.

Edited December 15, 2021 by CV75

[Stargazer]

5 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said:

I am surprised at the direction of this thread.

I'm not. As soon as I saw the @The Nehorquotes @smac97 used, I knew exactly where this was headed. And I was right, lol!

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

So... he's a Nazi because he is perfectly okay with violence as long as it is directed at the right people. But the people who attack him, who are perfectly okay with violence as long as it is directed at the right people, are not Nazis.

Interesting chain of logic there, butch.

So the Nazi brownshirts used violence to intimidate the opposition. But did you know that other political parties also formed armed groups to push back against the brownshirts and they also used violence. So really they are just as bad as the Nazis.

 

 

 

[The Nehor]

5 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

I'm not. As soon as I saw the @The Nehorquotes @smac97 used, I knew exactly where this was headed. And I was right, lol!

Yeah, this is exactly where Smac wanted it to go.

[BRMC]

8 minutes ago, CV75 said:

I wonder if discouraging this technique will result in a decline in the number of full tithe payers.

Or in volunteers for household moves.

Why?

[Teancum]

50 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

As you should.

why?

[Stargazer]

4 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

So the Nazi brownshirts used violence to intimidate the opposition. But did you know that other political parties also formed armed groups to push back against the brownshirts and they also used violence. So really they are just as bad as the Nazis.

 

 

So... are you saying that Antifa are just as bad as the Nazis?

Opinion piece: "Yes, antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis" <Here>

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August 30, 2017

This column has been updated.

Last weekend in Berkeley, Calif., a group of neo-communist antifa — “anti-fascist” — thugs attacked peaceful protesters at a “No to Marxism in America” rally, wielding sticks and pepper spray, and beating people with homemade shields that read (I kid you not) “No Hate.” The Post reports how one peaceful protester “was attacked by five black-clad antifa members, each windmilling kicks and punches into a man desperately trying to protect himself.” Members of the Berkeley College Republicans were then stalked by antifa goons who followed them to a gas station and demanded they “get the [expletive] out” of their car, warning, “We are real hungry for supremacists and there is more of us.”

The organizer of the anti-Marxism protest is not a white supremacist. Amber Cummings is a self-described “transsexual female who embraces diversity” and had announced on Facebook that “any racist groups like the KKK [and] Neo Nazis . . . are not welcome.” The protest was needed, Cummings said, because “Berkeley is a ground zero for the Marxist Movement.”

As if to prove Cummings’s point, the antifa movement responded with jackboots and clubs — because their definition of “fascist” includes not just neo-Nazis but also anyone who opposes their totalitarian worldview.

And let’s be clear: Totalitarian is precisely what they are. Mark Bray, a Dartmouth lecturer who has defended antifa’s violent tactics, recently explained in The Post, “Its adherents are predominantly communists, socialists and anarchists” who believe that physical violence “is both ethically justifiable and strategically effective.” In other words, they are no different from neo-Nazis. Neo-Nazis are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that killed 25 million people last century. Antifa members are the violent advocates of a murderous ideology that, according to “The Black Book of Communism,” killed between 85 million and 100 million people last century. Both practice violence and preach hate. They are morally indistinguishable. There is no difference between those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Hitler and Himmler and those who beat innocent people in the name of the ideology that gave us Stalin and Dzerzhinsky.

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[Stargazer]

5 minutes ago, Teancum said:

56 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

As you should.

why?

Why not? Are you opposed to this policy? Or just the loss of membership?

 

[MorningStar]

54 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

Do I know the gent?

I don't know, but I'll message you. 

[why me]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Still okay with Nazis getting punched.

What's a Nazi? And what makes a 'nazi' a nazi? The word nazi is now a loose fitting word. Likewise for fascist. What's a fascist? And who is a fascist?

 

[MorningStar]

1 hour ago, Stargazer said:

I admire your sticking to your guns. 

Just leave the punching to Antifa. Except that they punch anyone and everyone, which rather dilutes their utility in this realm.

Anyone annoyed by Antifa is a Nazi. 😂 I have so many entertaining videos to share, but they're profane. Can't post here. I especially love how they jump on cars and claim they were run over. Idiots. 

[mfbukowski]

4 hours ago, smac97 said:

Here:

As Peggy Fletcher-Stack notes, this is likely responsive, at least partially, to the DezNat yahoos.  

That said, folks like me will also need to give due heed to this counsel.

Very good.

Good counsel for me.

Thanks,

-Smac

And all of us. Thanks 

[why me]

The word Nazi is a shortened term for a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party. In Germany members would address each other as comrades. They were socialists at heart. But their socialism was different from the marxist version which relied on class. Communists and National Socialists engaged in fierce battles on the streets of Germany. What we see today, is the term Nazi being used against anyone who may disagree with the woke culture or who may be just a conservative in the US. Trump was called a fascist but was he? No. Yet many books claimed he was. And this is the problem. Benito Mussolini was a socialist before he became a fascist. And he borrrowed from the new deal. Was the new deal fascist? And so who are we supposed to punch when the slogan punch a nazi is used?

[ttribe]

3 minutes ago, why me said:

The word Nazi is a shortened term for a member of the National Socialist German Workers Party. In Germany members would address each other as comrades. They were socialists at heart. But their socialism was different from the marxist version which relied on class. Communists and National Socialists engaged in fierce battles on the streets of Germany. What we see today, is the term Nazi being used against anyone who may disagree with the woke culture or who may be just a conservative in the US. Trump was called a fascist but was he? No. Yet many books claimed he was. And this is the problem. Benito Mussolini was a socialist before he became a fascist. And he borrrowed from the new deal. Was the new deal fascist? And so who are we supposed to punch when the slogan punch a nazi is used?

It's amazing how you could demonstrate so little knowledge in so many words.

[why me]

10 minutes ago, MorningStar said:

Anyone annoyed by Antifa is a Nazi. 😂 I have so many entertaining videos to share, but they're profane. Can't post here. I especially love how they jump on cars and claim they were run over. Idiots. 

Antifa aims to shut down free speech. They are actually brown shirts dressed in black. And many students in the US seem to be reading the Little Red book with quotations of chairman Mao because of their Red Guard behavior. They shame professors and lecturers in the manner of the red guards during Mao's time. But they are not as violent.

[Stargazer]

13 minutes ago, MorningStar said:

Anyone annoyed by Antifa is a Nazi. 😂 I have so many entertaining videos to share, but they're profane. Can't post here. I especially love how they jump on cars and claim they were run over. Idiots. 

I was so tempted to do the same, but the language in these is quite iffy, yes.

[why me]

Just now, ttribe said:

It's amazing how you could demonstrate so little knowledge in so many words.

If you say so. Can you point to where I have it wrong?

[The Nehor]

42 minutes ago, Stargazer said:

So... are you saying that Antifa are just as bad as the Nazis?

Opinion piece: "Yes, antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis" <Here>

 

I disrespectfully disagree. And the numbers hurt and killed bear that out.

Also:

 

[The Nehor]

19 minutes ago, why me said:

What's a Nazi? And what makes a 'nazi' a nazi? The word nazi is now a loose fitting word. Likewise for fascist. What's a fascist? And who is a fascist?

 

In our heart of hearts are we not all Nazis? Let us embrace our inner Nazi and externally embrace all the Nazis around us.

Or we could look up the perfectly serviceable definitions of these terms that are in common use. I wonder why so many are embracing ambiguity on this issue to cloud everything so we can’t identify fascists. Who would benefit from such tactics? Hmmmmm……

[ttribe]

17 hours ago, why me said:

If you say so. Can you point to where I have it wrong?

I suggest reading Shirer's The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.  It should take you no time, whatsoever, to understand that 'Socialism' is primarily an economic system that was never actually used by Hitler.  He was perfectly happy to exploit an existing capitalist system for his own benefit.  The 'Socialist' in the party name was always a red herring designed to get certain parts of the population on his side in his effort to seize power.  Once he got that power, he dropped the veil in short order and any pretense of 'socialism' was swept away, as were the brown shirts who were murdered. 

Fascism is, and always has been - "a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition."  (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism).

Nazism was, and is, an exploitation of extreme patriotism for whatever country it is being organized in, coupled with the creation of enmity to 'foreigners' and 'lesser' races.  It places loyalty to the state (i.e. the country) above all other things.  Period, end of story.  It has nothing to do with socialism or communism.

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[MorningStar]

4 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I disrespectfully disagree. And the numbers hurt and killed bear that out.

Also:

 

Just like these brave, sane soldiers!

[MorningStar]

I forgot my favorite! “Tabitha Poppins.” Sets stolen mattresses on fire in the streets of Portland. Beats on a bucket. Keep fighting those Nazis, Tabitha! Proudest mugshot I’ve ever seen. 😂

[bluebell]

I'm glad that the church has put this in the handbook. 

Let's face it, we all justify bad behavior sometimes.  We all also sometimes think that our bad behavior is justified because of someone else's bad behavior too.  It's so easy to be self-righteous, and so easy to let that weakness drag us into even worse behavior.  These kinds of reminders are good for the soul. 

The world is drowning in moral superiority right now and members have not escaped the inclination.