Church Members in California Seeking "Religious Exemption" Forms for Vaccine, Church Saying "Nope."

[The Nehor]

26 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I do think mandating those with 100 or more employees to get vaccinated or tested weekly might be forcing those that would consider it, go against. Worried, especially since it could affect so many businesses that are life or death situations such as the police departments, airlines, and hospitals. 

The number of people losing their jobs is being grossly exaggerated. After an article about a law enforcement agency losing people due to a vaccine mandate a journalist did a deep dive to get the actual numbers and found one person who left due to the mandate…..who was eligible to retire.

In general when it comes down to the wire people take the vaccine and keep their job.

Vaccine mandates work.

[nuclearfuels]

53 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Worried, especially since it could affect so many businesses that are life or death situations such as the police departments, airlines, and hospitals. 

What could possibly go wrong when first responders go on strike #FreedomFlu

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 hour ago, nuclearfuels said:

What could possibly go wrong when first responders go on strike #FreedomFlu

250km north of where I live, an unvaccinated nurse working on a cancer ward pre-mandate infected a number of patients, 11 of whom have now died from COVID. That's what can happen when frontline workers who should strike don't.

Edited October 19, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan

[The Nehor]

I admit I have giggled watching some people threaten lawsuits over being fired due to federal and employer vaccine mandates.

The people who have largely spent the last few decades voting in people working to weaken and destroy unions and strengthen “right to work” laws and other rules designed to make employee termination easier now seem to want courts to save their jobs.

Ah, schadenfreude….

Edited October 19, 2021 by The Nehor

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

250km north of where I live, an unvaccinated nurse working on a cancer ward pre-mandate infected a number of patients, 11 of whom have now died from COVID. That's what can happen when frontline workers who should strike don't.

Great point! 

[Hamba Tuhan]

36 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Great point! 

When I enter a hospital, I have a right to expect that the people who serve me accept and follow basic health protocols: washing their hands, wearing PPE, being vaccinated against infectious diseases. None of these things is foolproof, but not doing them in such a setting is criminally negligent.

[mfbukowski]

8 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Showing that the only person who ever lived on this earth who followed Satan’s plan perfectly was the Savior Jesus Christ.

Unfortunately for Satan it was "El's Truth " though and not Satan's.

It's a perfect example of the relativity of truth vs methodology. And that is the only difference between science and religion.

Same empirical procedure, but allowing "the spirit " as experienced evidence. Alma 32.

Edited October 19, 2021 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

4 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

When I enter a hospital, I have a right to expect that the people who serve me accept and follow basic health protocols: washing their hands, wearing PPE, being vaccinated against infectious diseases. None of these things is foolproof, but not doing them in such a setting is criminally negligent.

There is a mayor in one of our largest cities who decided, in the early stages of covid, to move all the covid patients into long term care nursing homes, to take the strain off hospitals.

Just another example of good intentions combined with governmental idiocy.

[nuclearfuels]

10 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

unvaccinated nurse working on a cancer ward

You do understand that for example, having cancer, qualifies as a pre-existing condition which makes one susceptible to otherwise non-lethal viruses, right?

regardless, I truly hope something wonderful happens to you today

[Hamba Tuhan]

33 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

You do understand that for example, having cancer, qualifies as a pre-existing condition which makes one susceptible to ... viruses, right?

Yep. Which is precisely why people who don't accept basic public health protocols designed to protect vulnerable patients should not be working in healthcare.

Similarly, people who don't believe in the germ theory of disease and refuse to wash their hands after toileting should not be working in food service.

It's not complicated.

[nuclearfuels]

2 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

don't believe in the germ theory of disease and refuse to wash their hands after toileting should not be working in food service

 This is me. 

I don't believe in the germ theory of disease and refuse to wash my hands after toileting while working in food service.

Good luck calling in the military to replace all those front line workers whose front line experience and education are clearly either leading them astray

[nuclearfuels]

6 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

There is a mayor in one of our largest cities who decided, in the early stages of covid, to move all the covid patients into long term care nursing homes, to take the strain off hospitals.

Just another example of good intentions combined with governmental idiocy.

Careful now, you conspiracy theorist.

 

[nuclearfuels]

11 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

When I enter a hospital, I have a right to expect that the people who serve me accept and follow basic health protocols: washing their hands, wearing PPE, being vaccinated against infectious diseases. None of these things is foolproof, but not doing them in such a setting is criminally negligent.

If only you could litigate that negligence - sadly liability has been waived for healthcare providers, injection manufacturers, and healthcare insurance companies.

[pogi]

20 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

If only you could litigate that negligence - sadly liability has been waived for healthcare providers, injection manufacturers, and healthcare insurance companies.

CFR.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50251830/looming-liability-doctors-nurses-on-the-pandemic-frontlines-are-likely-legal-targets

[longview]

18 hours ago, The Nehor said:

It is not necessarily idolatry. I just suspect it is true in your case. It is just manifestly false to claim that everyone born into the world gets equal opportunities for learning and progressing. Saying that God is over all and will try and refine all may be true but it does not change that the earlier statement is false.

It is obvious you do not understand the college analogy.  It is saddening how you are so obtuse to why it is important for us to experience the fallen nature of this world.  The variety is necessary.  God will be completely fair.  His generosity will be stunning (even to you).

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

So all those who become joint-heirs with Christ and get the exact same outcome despite the differences in how faithfully they lived or how much they sinner on Earth will all be equally miserable.

No.  You have gone off into the weeds.

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The atonement was a mistake as it sought to equalize the outcome of mortality at the highest level. Atonement = communism!!!!!!!!!!

That does not happen.  There are 3 degrees in the Celestial Kingdom.  Pretty sure you would know this.  You are just being ridiculous.

17 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Now the person who dies super young chose that option? The person born with fetal alcohol syndrome is just picking options? Billions lived during the great apostasy where the most important optional course in the universe was shut down. The analogy doesn’t work.

You are screaming social justice outrage.  My older brother, who is completely deaf, was given a patriarchal blessing that states he was trained to communicate by sight in the pre-existence.  This suggests the training and preparations for all who are entering into the Second Estate.  Maybe you were taught to be a "Karen".  

[The Nehor]

4 hours ago, longview said:

It is obvious you do not understand the college analogy.  It is saddening how you are so obtuse to why it is important for us to experience the fallen nature of this world.  The variety is necessary.  God will be completely fair.  His generosity will be stunning (even to you).

I didn’t say anything suggesting that experiencing a fallen world isn’t necessary but why let a little thing like that prevent you from making condescending and patronizing comments.

4 hours ago, longview said:

No.  You have gone off into the weeds.

I applied the general statement you made. I agree it could be characterized as a weed and needs to be plucked up and burned.

4 hours ago, longview said:

That does not happen.  There are 3 degrees in the Celestial Kingdom.  Pretty sure you would know this.  You are just being ridiculous.

I said “highest level” not “highest levels”. Please try to pay attention.

4 hours ago, longview said:

You are screaming social justice outrage.  My older brother, who is completely deaf, was given a patriarchal blessing that states he was trained to communicate by sight in the pre-existence.  This suggests the training and preparations for all who are entering into the Second Estate.  Maybe you were taught to be a "Karen".  

I don’t think you know what a “Karen” is if you think it has anything to do with social justice.

[longview]

21 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I said “highest level” not “highest levels”. Please try to pay attention.

Ok.  I will try to parse every shade of your meaning.

[The Nehor]

3 minutes ago, longview said:

Ok.  I will try to parse every shade of your meaning.

I would settle for ‘any shade’.

[Nemesis]

Knock off the politics

[mfbukowski]

34 minutes ago, Nemesis said:

Knock off the politics

You actually read this stuff? 

[The Nehor]

1 hour ago, Nemesis said:

Knock off the politics

He started it.

[nuclearfuels]

On 10/19/2021 at 11:15 AM, pogi said:

On 10/19/2021 at 11:08 AM, nuclearfuels said:

If only you could litigate that negligence - sadly liability has been waived for healthcare providers, injection manufacturers, and healthcare insurance companies.

CFR.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50251830/looming-liability-doctors-nurses-on-the-pandemic-frontlines-are-likely-legal-targets

This article is speculative at best.

Let us presume it is true. 

Does the exception disprove the rule? 

No. 

Did the feds waive liability for the pharma cartel, hospitals, and of course, itself?

Yes

[The Nehor]

14 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

Did the feds waive liability for the pharma cartel, hospitals, and of course, itself?

Yes

Pharma “cartel” - Yes, they did. They did it in the 80s under Reagan due to other anti-vaxxer nonsense making it no longer cost-effective to produce vaccines due to the number of frivolous lawsuits.

Hospitals - This wasn’t “the feds”. It was the states. And they didn’t waive it. They lowered the standards of care that can be sued over because it was impossible for hospitals to maintain that standard due to overcrowding. What is more important? Retaining the right to sue a hospital for not providing care they are incapable of providing or keeping the hospitals open as the increased standards require hospitals to close to avoid lawsuits?

Itself - Nope, in fact the federal government covers damages caused by vaccine side effects. There is a program to submit claims that go to ‘no fault’ arbitration. If you are not happy with the result of that you can pursue a case in court. This also came about in the 80s to ensure that vaccine production didn’t stop due to frivolous lawsuits.

 

So, all three are sort of true and all three came about because of the lies of anti-vaxxers. They are the reason the legislation was passed in the 80s and the primary reason hospitals are so crowded.

”We demand you stop doing the things you only do because our actions make it necessary!”

Edited October 22, 2021 by The Nehor

[Calm]

In a related note:

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2021/11/4/22763495/president-joe-bidens-vaccine-rules-are-here-what-does-utah-plan-to-do-covid

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

The Church, or any Church should never be put in a position where there should be a need for any such letters. Not now, nor ever again in a “Democratic Republic”, or any Nation under the “rule of law”. Besides, even if such a letter were issued or endorsed, (currently) they are not accepting and such exemptions. Also, seeking to obtain such an exemption, only encourages (ours) any Government into believing that they have the power to override individual liberty.

BTW: I am fully vaccinated, long before this current climate emerged. So, I am not not anti-vax, and encourage it in fact. 

Edited November 6, 2021 by Bill “Papa” Lee