webbles Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 On 11/6/2021 at 1:03 PM, Tacenda said: What about the 1918 pandemic, didn't they need to do drastic things in order to nip it in the bud? Just saw this. Here's a sample of things that happened, taken from Pale rider: the Spanish flu of 1918 and how it changed the world (Spinney L (2018)) * Australia had quarantine procedures at all ports * America Samoa blocked all incoming vessels * Spain forcibly sprayed all Portuguese train travelers with disinfectants. Any protesters were fined or jailed. * Korea banned mass gatherings * France ordered the closure of theatres, cinemas, churches and markets (though it was rarely enforced) * Massachusetts and New Jersey closed schools * New York City commissioned almost all of its public officials (not just health related workers) to enter housing to look for the disease Also, in Utah, General Conference was postponed for several months. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Public_health_management, there is a picture of headlines from Chicago. It shows flu curfews, arrests for "open-face sneazers", nonessential crowds barred, and a raid on a saloons.
Raingirl Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 2 hours ago, ProphetShiloh said: I have reached the conclusion that the scriptural teaching about individual agency is inseparably connected with individual responsibility. In other words, no matter what anyone tells you, because we as Latter-day Saints are supposed to have our own personal indwelling of the Holy Spirit with us at all times, we are 100% responsible for whatever we do. So, even if the presiding quorums of the Church all agree and counsel the members to receive the COVID-19 vaccination, each member is still 100% responsible for whatever he does in the matter. They cannot expect to receive any sort of special protection beyond them actually getting correct revelation as to what they should do. It is abundantly clear that some people are not going to do well with the jab. There are many injuries that people sustain from it that are being buried by the mainstream media. The new technology they are using for this so-called vaccination is absolutely unproven and risky and nothing like the traditional concept of inoculation. The cells of the person who receive the jab are genetically enhanced to build the inoculating substance instead of having the inoculating substance injected. No matter what their intentions are, the government authorizes and protects the media to participate in propaganda against the best interests of the people to make their own informed consenting decisions. The Church membership should be very much opposed to this "legal lying" because it exposes people to real risks with no means of recourse. The people are being treated in a very disingenuous manner, at the least, by the government, media, and yes, even by the Church. Any LDS bishop should be willing to say that our religion promotes individual agency and that the agency of their members should be safeguarded by every means necessary. Even if the bishop himself got the jab, he should still stand up for the rights of his brothers and sisters to refuse to comply with such mandates if in their own conscience they believe that they should not take the jab. If the LDS faith has lost this concept, then it has lost its way to the celestial kingdom entirely and needs to be set back in order. While it is true that the Church is responsible to uphold and obey the laws of the land, it surely is under no obligation to betray its most core and fundamental principles to join in and be a cheerleader for its people to have their rights denied them by mandates. We are warned that the mark of the beast would be promulgated in the same manner. People wouldn't be able to participate in the economic systems of the time unless they have received the mark. I would not be the least bit surprised to find that the LDS Church is in need of major upheavals to impeach the current crop of leaders that appear to me to be in league with the globalists who are warring against our liberties. I believe that the LDS need to awaken to the awfulness of their situation. Waders and a shovel are needed to read this post. 1
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, pogi said: Ok Snuffer! I just had a conversation with someone on these threads who thought people like you are rare in the church. What is your experience/opinion? I am not a Snufferite. I view Mr. Snuffer as a modern-day Korihor.
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Does Denver Snuffer ring a bell? Or Phil Davis? Yes, I am aware of both of them. They are both deceivers.
pogi Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: I am not a Snufferite. I view Mr. Snuffer as a modern-day Korihor. Are you a member of ldsfreedomforum? Would you say your beliefs are popular in the church?
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 55 minutes ago, webbles said: The J&J vaccine uses the traditional method. It doesn't inject the COVID-19 virus but it injects a similar looking virus. So if people are scared of the new mRNA based vaccines, they should get the J&J vaccine. Also, the mRNA vaccine is not genetically enhancing a persons cells. mRNA is "messenger RNA" (that's what the m stands for). Our cells naturally create mRNA. We've known about mRNA since the 1960s so it isn't a new thing. Cells use mRNA to transfer the instructions in the DNA to areas outside of the nucleus. After the mRNA has left the nucleus and its instructions have been read, it degrades. mRNA only last up to a few days. So, the mRNA that is injected in the vaccine will be completely gone from a person's body within a few days. mRNA vaccines also aren't "unproven and risky". People have been trying to make it work since the 1980s. First human clinical trial of an mRNA vaccine was in the early 2000s. The biggest problem with getting a working mRNA vaccine is the fact that mRNA breaks down so easily. If you inject someone with raw mRNA, it will break down before it reaches the cells. Some of the early methods of preventing the mRNA from breaking down caused immune responses that would attack the vaccine and prevent the mRNA from reaching the cells. By the 2010s, though, they had worked out most of the issues and were able to reliably get the mRNA into cells. I didn't say that mRNA gene therapy in its entirety is risky and unproven. I am simply referring to how they are using it to reengineer our own cells to manufacture the inoculating materials. And, yes, it does affect our cells genetically. That's how this technology works. And, I didn't say that it changes our own DNA, as in our own chromosomes. The DNA of us as a person and the DNA of the components of our cells are not the same thing. Please do not try to misconstrue what I have said.
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, pogi said: Are you a member of ldsfreedomforum? Would you say your beliefs are popular in the church? I am not a member of the LDS Freedom Forum. I know the person who runs that group. I wouldn't last there before I was kicked out. Much of my beliefs are unknown in the Church. How many times do you hear LDS people talking about the LDS Church being Eve of the new world located in America?
The Nehor Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: I didn't say that mRNA gene therapy in its entirety is risky and unproven. I am simply referring to how they are using it to reengineer our own cells to manufacture the inoculating materials. And, yes, it does affect our cells genetically. That's how this technology works. And, I didn't say that it changes our own DNA, as in our own chromosomes. The DNA of us as a person and the DNA of the components of our cells are not the same thing. Please do not try to misconstrue what I have said. It is hard not to misunderstand you if you are using your own definition of DNA that has personal and cellular DNA separated somehow. 1
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 Just now, The Nehor said: It is hard not to misunderstand you if you are using your own definition of DNA that has personal and cellular DNA separated somehow. I am not using my own definition of DNA. We have our own DNA and there are also cellular components that have their own DNA. For example, there is what they call mitochondrial DNA, which is only passed on through the mothers. My apologies for not taking more time and being more careful to write in such a way that nobody will misunderstand what I say.
pogi Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: I am not a member of the LDS Freedom Forum. I know the person who runs that group. I wouldn't last there before I was kicked out. Much of my beliefs are unknown in the Church. How many times do you hear LDS people talking about the LDS Church being Eve of the new world located in America? Wow, you are too extreme for even the lds freedom forum??? Have you shared your beliefs with your bishop about the current leadership during temple recommend interviews? Do you plan on remaining a member or do you envision a splinter as the church falls into apostasy? Your extreme emphasis on liberty and criticism of the prophet’s stance on vaccines sounds uncomfortably familiar. You are a good example of the crumbling foundation and risks of where that narrative may lead... We often see that happen when people hyper-focus on a single principle and loose sight of the big picture. Tunnel vision towards apostasy. Edited November 13, 2021 by pogi 2
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, pogi said: Wow, you are too extreme for even the lds freedom forum??? Have you shared your beliefs with your bishop about the current leadership during temple recommend interviews? Do you plan on remaining a member or do you envision a splinter as the church falls into apostasy? The LDS people will eventually appoint me to be the President of the Church. 1
pogi Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: The LDS people will eventually appoint me to be the President of the Church. Ooh, this is getting good. Time to bust out the popcorn! What is your full legal name so we know who to appoint? Do you have a website? Any followers yet? How will you get the keys? Edited November 13, 2021 by pogi 2
Tacenda Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: I am not a member of the LDS Freedom Forum. I know the person who runs that group. I wouldn't last there before I was kicked out. Much of my beliefs are unknown in the Church. How many times do you hear LDS people talking about the LDS Church being Eve of the new world located in America? Does Chad Daybell ring a bell? He's with The Church of the First Born. https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Church_of_the_Firstborn Edited November 13, 2021 by Tacenda
webbles Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 24 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: I didn't say that mRNA gene therapy in its entirety is risky and unproven. I am simply referring to how they are using it to reengineer our own cells to manufacture the inoculating materials. And, yes, it does affect our cells genetically. That's how this technology works. And, I didn't say that it changes our own DNA, as in our own chromosomes. The DNA of us as a person and the DNA of the components of our cells are not the same thing. Please do not try to misconstrue what I have said. You said "The new technology they are using for this so-called vaccination is absolutely unproven and risky". I generally understand "absolutely" to mean "entirely" as well. I don't think you understand how mRNA vaccines work. They do not affect our DNA in any part of the cell. They don't even interact with our DNA. The mRNA vaccine doesn't "reengineer our own cells to manufacture the inoculating materials". When our cells creates mRNA, it is instructions to create stuff. So, the injected mRNA is just instructions to make stuff. It isn't changing the cells in any form. Once the stuff has been made, the mRNA goes away. Our cells are not changed. Basically, it is just using our cells as a printer. 3
Tacenda Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, webbles said: Just saw this. Here's a sample of things that happened, taken from Pale rider: the Spanish flu of 1918 and how it changed the world (Spinney L (2018)) * Australia had quarantine procedures at all ports * America Samoa blocked all incoming vessels * Spain forcibly sprayed all Portuguese train travelers with disinfectants. Any protesters were fined or jailed. * Korea banned mass gatherings * France ordered the closure of theatres, cinemas, churches and markets (though it was rarely enforced) * Massachusetts and New Jersey closed schools * New York City commissioned almost all of its public officials (not just health related workers) to enter housing to look for the disease Also, in Utah, General Conference was postponed for several months. At https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu#Public_health_management, there is a picture of headlines from Chicago. It shows flu curfews, arrests for "open-face sneazers", nonessential crowds barred, and a raid on a saloons. I have skimmed some articles about it, thanks for the back up!
Hamba Tuhan Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) Some who read this thread might find the following interesting: We've been under a legal mask mandate for five months, but it was lifted this week. This afternoon, our stake president posted a message explaining that we will be following Church leaders on this matter and therefore continue to wear face masks at church tomorrow and across the coming weeks. I just got back from shopping at a warehouse supermarket, and I saw a total of four shoppers without face coverings, so I predict the stake president's message will create approximately zero concerns amongst the local Saints. ETA: My appreciation for living prophets -- which has been increasing over the course of many years -- has grown so much deeper over the past two years. We have a relatively low level of craziness here, but far, far too much of it seems to be emanating from mosques and churches. Edited November 13, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan 4
The Nehor Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, pogi said: Wow, you are too extreme for even the lds freedom forum??? I have been banned there a few times for sharing controversial views like Hitler being a bad person or suggesting that the devil appearing in spirit form to instruct the heads of a global conspiracy on what they must do next is kind of insane. Being too extreme for them is interesting. 1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said: The LDS people will eventually appoint me to be the President of the Church. LOL, sadly I can’t give you rep points yet. I think you are the fourth person I have met who told me this. Fifth if you count the father telling me 4 year old son would be prophet at the Second Coming. Haven’t heard anything about him yet. He will be about 26 now so there is still time.
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 13 hours ago, webbles said: You said "The new technology they are using for this so-called vaccination is absolutely unproven and risky". I generally understand "absolutely" to mean "entirely" as well. I don't think you understand how mRNA vaccines work. They do not affect our DNA in any part of the cell. They don't even interact with our DNA. The mRNA vaccine doesn't "reengineer our own cells to manufacture the inoculating materials". When our cells creates mRNA, it is instructions to create stuff. So, the injected mRNA is just instructions to make stuff. It isn't changing the cells in any form. Once the stuff has been made, the mRNA goes away. Our cells are not changed. Basically, it is just using our cells as a printer. I personally believe that time will bear this out: The jab is doing more harm than good. It hasn't even had time to be properly tested in professional clinical trials. Instead, the public mindset has been whipped up into a flurry of fear over something that has merely displaced the stats on people who would normally have died from the flu. This is a deliberate manipulation being perpetrated against humanity. When I say "absolutely unproven", I mean that it has NOT been proven safe and effective for what it is purported to accomplish. The "entirely" aspect is something you decided to inject into the context so that you could have something to gripe about. This is similar to how you also injected in the notion that I was saying mRNA technology itself in its entirety has not been proven effective, etc. I said, more or less, that mRNA genetic materials are inserted into our bodies which enter into our cells and cause them to manufacture the inoculating substance that is supposed to give someone CV-19 immunity. I didn't ever say that the core DNA of our being is altered. I said that the DNA of cellular components are modified so as to change the functioning of our cells in order to perform specific tasks, such as manufacturing spike protein look-alike compounds. Our cells are most definitely altered in this process in ways that I consider risky and unproven. You say our cells are not changed and then turn around and describe the very function that results due to our cells being changed. One potentially valuable distinction that can be drawn from what you said, that I did not address, is that once the injected and uptaken mRNA has been utilized in the cell that it "goes away" leaving the cell essentially reverted back to its pure original form. According to you this leaves the person to only have to deal with the spike protein compounds that were thus "printed". I recommend that you delve into the details of this more thoroughly. I would like to see the evidence that you have on this.
Calm Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 1 hour ago, ProphetShiloh said: Our cells are most definitely altered in this process in ways that I consider risky and unproven. Doesn’t this happen naturally when we get infected? Our cells have to be changed in order to learn how to produce antibodies, etc in response to any infectious disease.
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 14 hours ago, Tacenda said: Does Chad Daybell ring a bell? He's with The Church of the First Born. https://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Church_of_the_Firstborn Yes, but I am not familiar with what Mr. Daybell has taught or written in the past. I have had no dealings with him, nor have I spent any time investigating whatever materials he might be offering to people. I have heard some about the alleged murder of the two children and the controversy that surrounds him and Lori. She seems to me to be a demonic return of a female serial killer that lived in Idaho about a 100 or so years ago. Sorry that I forgot her name. I'm sure you can ferret out what I am talking about if you really want the details. It is rather an eerie parallel to contemplate. As for the means to identify the real Church of the Firstborn, this organization is for those who attain to the full spiritual resurrection such that they have the fullness of the Godhead indwelling them. These are joint heirs with Christ who also receive all that the Father hath as Jesus does. Also, the person who brings this organization to the earth is none other than the Messiah himself. For anyone to claim to be the head of this church is to also claim that they are the Firstborn of the new world, which honor is reserved for the Messiah. If Mr. Daybell is purporting to be establishing this organization, then I would hold that he is laying claim to the mantle of the Messiah as well. Perhaps he has his own notions and ideas without realizing this. Perhaps at some point I will look into his claims, but for now they do not interest me. There seems to be a lot of individuals laying claim to this mantle (directly or indirectly), which we were warned would indeed take place. The LDS should know that when the Savior appears that he will be a man like unto ourselves (D&C 130:1). So we cannot automatically discount such claims from a person who appears to be an ordinary person. However, the claims people make in this regard should be held up to respectful scrutiny. Do they have light and truth that brings greater clarity, precision, intelligence, etc., that only the Messiah can bring? Are they a lawful and legitimate successor to the keys of the Priesthood from Joseph Smith, Jr., and the Church? Did they open the book sealed with seven seals (Rev 5:1-5)? This is what should be scrutinized. The reason these false messiahs and false prophets can readily gain a following is because people want the realization of the fullness of the blessings that the Gospel ultimately promises. Unfortunately, when they are not satisfied with what they are getting from the mainstream fares, they become impatient or lifted up in pride when they see an opportunity to go beyond. They are so starved for "something more" that they are more readily deceived by the Snuffers, Daviss, and Daybells. It is very sad to watch this happen. The LDS Church in its present state no longer concerns itself with administering the ordinances that pertain to the Second Comforter, let alone those that bring about the indwelling of the fullness of the Father. Denver's "Second Comforter" hogwash has no real competition from a legitimate contender so he gets his following. Not sure what Mr. Phil Davis' specialty is, but hating on Brigham Young seems to be a very popular tactic to gain a following these days. By him forming what he calls the School of the Prophets, he is implying that he is the Lord's Anointed Prophet who holds the keys of the Priesthood. This is the office of the President of the School of the Prophets, because, unlike the Church, the Priesthood organization is beholden solely to "thus saith the Lord" instruction and can only exist and function properly when the gift to receive the oracles of God are flowing with first-person ministration direct from God. Phil is also (unwittingly?) claiming to be the Son of Man if he is going to try and make a lawful claim upon the mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet. I base this on the 1880 revelation received by junior apostle Wilford Woodruff which appointed the successor of this mantle to be the Son of Man from the Church. I hear people quoting from time to time a promise that the apostles would not go astray, at least until the Son of Man came. Since the Son of Man did in fact come in 1890 as prophesied, that season of special protection is behind us. This is one reason why it is so crucial that the virgins have oil in their lamps. If they do not "see" the Son of Man upon his coming, they are in extreme risk to be among those who fight against him. Please understand, I do not fault or condemn the Church for this aforementioned deficiency either. The last "thus saith the Lord" revelation given to President Wilford Woodruff in 1889 instructed him to have the Church let go of administering everything except for the ordinances of salvation. This means that it only performs the ordinances of baptism, laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost, and the sacrament. This is how it was during the days of Joseph Smith, Jr., too. He had the School of the Prophets organization, which was the Priesthood, that administered everything that pertained to the higher laws and ordinances that bring in the Second Comforter and exaltation to the fullness of the Father. That 1889 revelation mentioned the new Priesthood organization that did get organized, but as if it were a thief in the night. God commanded this organization to be made in an 1883 revelation to President Taylor. It was made and the keys of the Priesthood did go to it from the Church when it abandoned the fullness of the celestial marriage laws. It's purpose was to carry on with the administration of the laws and ordinances that pertain to the Second Comforter and exaltation. Also, OD-1 tells us exactly what happened. The Church went contrary to the oracles of God and was consequently removed from its place as holding the keys of the Priesthood. When the conditions are met for God to do something that he warns, then what he has warned will indeed be carried out. Therefore, the claim that Russell M. Nelson is anything more than the president of the Church who has been "chosen by the body" is a false claim. The mantle of Lord's Anointed Prophet was removed from the Church when the Son of Man came in 1890. Consequently, President Nelson is merely the equivalent today of what Caiaphas was in the time of Jesus. Even so, Jesus indicated that due respect should be afforded him while he was sitting in the seat of Moses. Likewise, I acknowledge that so long as the Latter-day Saints wish to be led by a false prophet, they will continue to be led by a false prophet. When they finally wake up and realize that he is in league with the globalists and the secret combinations, and realize that they have the power to impeach him and do so, then Zion will be well on its way to full redemption.
Harry T. Clark Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 15 hours ago, ProphetShiloh said: The LDS people will eventually appoint me to be the President of the Church. The "nut" enters posing valid questions. Glad to see that finally a QAnon like person questions the vax, at least for those who support the narrative. It certainly makes it easier to discount those who have valid questions without the baggage.
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 22 minutes ago, Calm said: Doesn’t this happen naturally when we get infected? Our cells have to be changed in order to learn how to produce antibodies, etc in response to any infectious disease. I am by no means against the principle of inoculation. Please do not infer that from what I have said above. The key difference is with the CV-19 mRNA vaccine our cells are co-opted to manufacture the spike protein look-alike compounds instead of the traditional approach of people simply being injected with weakened and non-viable viral substances to provoke the body to manufacture and build up antibodies.
Calm Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: The key difference is with the CV-19 mRNA vaccine our cells are co-opted to manufacture the spike protein look-alike compounds The mRNA are instructions to the cells for production. If the mRNA/instructions degrade and dissipate in a few days, the cells will no longer produce the spike proteins, correct? So how does that permanently alter anything? https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/video/what-stops-body-continuing-produce-covid-19-spike-protein-after-getting-mrna-vaccine Edited November 13, 2021 by Calm
ProphetShiloh Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Calm said: The mRNA are instructions to the cells for production. If the mRNA/instructions degrade and dissipate in a few days, the cells will no longer produce the spike proteins, correct? So how does that permanently alter anything? I am not the one claiming that they degrade and dissipate in a few days. I am very much doubting that this is the case. I invited the person making this claim to share the evidence that can be found on this subject. Let's see what they share with us.
Calm Posted November 13, 2021 Posted November 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, ProphetShiloh said: Since the Son of Man did in fact come in 1890 as prophesied, that season of special protection is behind us. Do you have a name for the Son of Man, something that would help us understand or identify who or what you are talking about (I am still confuse by how you talk about the priesthood organization as flesh-and-bone and therefore don’t know if you are saying the Son of Man is a person or an organization or something else).
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