Church Members in California Seeking "Religious Exemption" Forms for Vaccine, Church Saying "Nope."

[Harry T. Clark]

7 minutes ago, pogi said:

Not likely.  "Drawing back" or "aspirating" the syringe is old-school practice and is no longer considered best-practice with vaccinations.  It is hard enough to get a needle in a vein when you are trying to insert an IV into the biggest vein you can find and at the proper angle to the vein, let alone when you are injecting a needle on a 90 degree angle to the vein and going an inch deep into a muscle where there are no large vessels.  The chance of injecting into a vein is nearly impossible.      

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5333604/

 

Is aspiration a difficult action to employ?  Seems to me that if there is a possible connection to hitting a vein during the procedure and myocarditis risk could be increased thereby, why not take the easy extra step?

[pogi]

11 hours ago, CelestialSeething said:

Love it!

You're questioning the CDC.

How dare you? What are you some kind of anti-vaxx conspiracy theorist?

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/10/06/swedendenmark-moderna-n2597038

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/scary-reports-deaths-following-covid-19-vaccination-arent-what-they-seem

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-19-increases-risk-of-heart-inflammation-and-blood-clots-more-than-the-vaccines-studies-find/

 

How is he questioning the CDC.  He is questioning the unreliable reports of lay people who can freely report whatever they want in VAERS as a side-effect of vaccination, including a snake bite. 

[pogi]

3 hours ago, Harry T. Clark said:

Is aspiration a difficult action to employ?  Seems to me that if there is a possible connection to hitting a vein during the procedure and myocarditis risk could be increased thereby, why not take the easy extra step?

Hitting a blood vessel is nearly impossible not to do (hence the band aid) - that is not the concern.  Injecting vaccine into a tiny vessel (not big fat IV veins like the basilic vein in your forearm) at a 90 degree angle to the vein is impossible to do, even if you were trying carefully to do it.  Try inserting an IV a couple dozen times in the BIG veins even and you will see how impossible such a task would be. 

Aspiration is only indicated when inserting an IV to verify that you are indeed in a vein.   Literally, many many billions of vaccines are administered annually around the globe without aspirating.  It is not a problem. Never has been - except for Covid downplayers and vaccine deniers who will find any silly reason to cause doubt and pick apart long established medical practice.  The practice has been well-studied and found to be unnecessary.  No increase in adverse events whatsoever from not aspirating.   Aspirating can cause irritation as it is very hard to keep the needle from not moving around when pulling back on the syringe which can potentially lead to other tissue damage and nicking of other blood vessels and bruising.  Not necessary.    

You are assuming that injecting the vaccine in the vein is what is causing or can increase the risk of myocarditis.  That has not been established, so I think you are needlessly picking apart my profession without reading the evidence that I linked to and have no no good reason to suggest that it increases risk of myocarditis (just assumptions).   I think it is pretty clear that myocarditis doesn't happen from injecting into a vein considering that injecting into a vein is next to impossible yet myocarditis is common enough to rule out the vein theory.  

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by pogi

[pogi]

16 hours ago, Danzo said:

We need more data in order to differentiate between deaths with vaccination and deaths from vaccination. Statistics can't tell us the whole story, they can only tell is when to look more closely.

We also need more data to differentiate between deaths with covid and deaths from Covid.

 

 

I agree.  That is why every death is investigated to make that differentiation.   Those deaths which have been thoroughly investigated and determined to be death from Covid are reported here:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Please read this link to understand Covid death reporting:

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

In regards to VAERS, they are also being investigated and reported in MMWR reports. 

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by pogi

[pogi]

13 hours ago, CelestialSeething said:

I would suggest they were contributing factors in a correlational relationship to his passing. 

"A contributing factor in a correlational relationship"?  What does that even mean?  Are you simply saying that there is a correlation?  If so, that is obvious.  Or, are you suggesting without evidence and access to his medical records, and without knowing anything at all or even seeing this person before that the vaccine was a "contributing factor" in his passing?  Just curious. 

[pogi]

14 hours ago, CelestialSeething said:

no. you're not.

You're a condescending prick who rejects data and evidence that run contrary to the swill you've swallowed and been injected with. 

I would love it if you could provide some "evidence and data" that vaccines are causing death above and beyond what one would expect from a typical vaccine.  I would need that first before you can accuse me of "rejecting" any data and evidence.  Still waiting...

Edited October 7, 2021 by pogi

[pogi]

13 hours ago, CelestialSeething said:

And those who weren't old, frail and sick? 

Snake bite, or electrocution maybe?  Do you have numbers we can look at?  How many people died within a couple weeks of vaccination that were young and healthy and died from an inexplicable cause and not from an accident, overdose, etc. etc.?  Those are the ones that would be investigated in VAERS and are reported in MMWR reports.  So far, extremely rare and mostly from anaphylaxis, which happens with all vaccines. 

13 hours ago, CelestialSeething said:

This is by design. Why are more affluent countries, predominantly Christian, first to get injected? Hmm. Profit motive: check. Religious aceptance of death: Check. Obedient sheep who will get injected because 6% of people died from covid had no other long term chornic health problems, no comorbidities, etc.

All young and healthy missionaries are required to be vaccinated with the Covid vaccine to serve.  It is mandated by the church.  How do you feel about that?  These silly "obedient sheep" who have a "religious acceptance of death" are being led to the slaughter so that Big pharm can profit.   I would be pissed at the church if I was you.  How could they be so deceived to be mandating death for our young missionaries?

 

 

[Danzo]

1 hour ago, pogi said:

I agree.  That is why every death is investigated to make that differentiation.   Those deaths which have been thoroughly investigated and determined to be death from Covid are reported here:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

Please read this link to understand Covid death reporting:

https://www.aamc.org/news-insights/how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-it-s-complicated

In regards to VAERS, they are also being investigated and reported in MMWR reports. 

 

In the source you linked to, it lists 702K deaths involving COVID and 356K deaths of pneumonia combined or about half the deaths involving covid.  I would believe a COVID and pneumonia death would be strongly corelated cause, effect

Is their any data suggestion how strong COVID is corelated witht he other half?

I read the other article you linked to  and it suggested that the reporting of a covid death is still highly variable.

“Whether COVID-19 shortened a life by 15 years or 15 minutes; whether COVID-19 is an underlying or contributing condition, the virus was in circulation, infected an Alaskan, and hastened their death.”

[Danzo]

16 hours ago, The Nehor said:

You would think with over 6 billion doses administered now you could substantiate that beyond “whataboutism” and one case.

As I posted earlier, My brother's father in law just passed away apparently from the effects of a COVID booster shot (three hours after the shot he suffered from multiple organ failure).  He was not very healthy so there were probably were some contributory conditions as well, but currently the thought in the family is that in his condition he shouldn't have been given something to deliberately provoke an immune response.

I don't say this to be anti vaccination, but to illustrate that not all medical interventions are appropriate for everyone automaticaly.  Doctors often make mistakes (my own grandfather was killed by the hospital that was treating him. two doctors argued over whether to sedate him for transport, the doctor that was opposing it was overuled by the senior doctor and my grandfather passed away, the younger doctor pretty much said the death was a direct result of the sedation).  I am not saying these were bad people but doctors do often make mistakes and often are worse than police officers in covering up mistakes by their coworkers.

When I went through EMT training many years back, our instructor told us flat out that we would kill people as part of our work, that we would make mistakes that resulted in peoples deaths and that we should accept that. 

[webbles]

28 minutes ago, Danzo said:

I read the other article you linked to  and it suggested that the reporting of a covid death is still highly variable.

“Whether COVID-19 shortened a life by 15 years or 15 minutes; whether COVID-19 is an underlying or contributing condition, the virus was in circulation, infected an Alaskan, and hastened their death.”

I have a few family members that recently died.  One had their death certificate say it was caused by covid.  The other did not.  Yet, all of us that are still alive firmly believe that covid caused the second.  I would guess there's lots of death certificates that people would argue both ways.  That's why I don't really have a problem with the death counts.  The number of covid deaths that should be non-covid is most likely equivalent to the number of non-covid deaths that should be covid.

[pogi]

22 minutes ago, Danzo said:

In the source you linked to, it lists 702K deaths involving COVID and 356K deaths of pneumonia combined or about half the deaths involving covid.  I would believe a COVID and pneumonia death would be strongly corelated cause, effect

Is their any data suggestion how strong COVID is corelated witht he other half?

If I understand your question, pneumonia is strongly correlated with Covid and is a contributing factor to death.  Pneumonia is a common secondary infection in lots of respiratory infections (including the flu). 

After medical investigation of the 700,000+ deaths being discussed, it was determined that "in at least 90% of these deaths, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying cause of death.  For the remaining deaths, COVID-19 was listed as a contributing cause of death."

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm

[pogi]

53 minutes ago, Danzo said:

I read the other article you linked to  and it suggested that the reporting of a covid death is still highly variable.

“Whether COVID-19 shortened a life by 15 years or 15 minutes; whether COVID-19 is an underlying or contributing condition, the virus was in circulation, infected an Alaskan, and hastened their death.”

How is this different from how anything else is reported as a cause or contributing factor of death on a death certificate?

 

[Danzo]

1 minute ago, webbles said:

I have a few family members that recently died.  One had their death certificate say it was caused by covid.  The other did not.  Yet, all of us that are still alive firmly believe that covid caused the second.  I would guess there's lots of death certificates that people would argue both ways.  That's why I don't really have a problem with the death counts.  The number of covid deaths that should be non-covid is most likely equivalent to the number of non-covid deaths that should be covid.

It just means that the death certificates aren't quite as reliable as they should be. 

The US doesn't seem to have consistent standards on reporting causes of death. This is probably one of the consequenses of not having a national health system.  If there were a standard, then we could test the margin of error and refine the standard as time goes on.  right now, we a left with the best guess on a simple answer to a complicated question.

I see death certificates all the time for my job, and there is not enough information on them to base national policy on. We need better data, certainly better data than the death certificate has room for.

I would really like a confidence indicator on the cause of death.   there is no way to distinguish whether cause of death is an educated guess or a near scientific certainty. 

In the "real sciences" like physics, chemistry and engineering, you aways include how precise the measurement is in your calculations.  1 is different than 1.000.   I would like to see something similar with medical diagnosis. 

[Danzo]

4 minutes ago, pogi said:

How is this different from how anything else is reported as a cause or contributing factor of death on a death certificate?

 

Like I responded above.  The death certificate does not contain good data for medical diagnosis and national health policy. THere just isn't space on it. We need to develop some sort of electronic death certificate that contains much more data. We are in the 21st century, we could include medical history, underlying medical issues and at least a confidence indicator on the diagnosis.  We shouldn't be limited to an entry  form. 

[pogi]

41 minutes ago, Danzo said:

As I posted earlier, My brother's father in law just passed away apparently from the effects of a COVID booster shot (three hours after the shot he suffered from multiple organ failure). 

Just to clarify, this happened after a "booster" (third dose) shot?

41 minutes ago, Danzo said:

 He was not very healthy so there were probably were some contributory conditions as well, but currently the thought in the family is that in his condition he shouldn't have been given something to deliberately provoke an immune response.

 On the contrary, it is people who have comorbidities, old, frail, etc. who should be given something to deliberately provoke an immune response.  They are the ones at greatest risk of death from Covid.  Our immune system is triggered every day by pathogens in our food, air, hands, nose, skin, etc.  We don't need vaccines to provoke an immune response.  It happens every day.  It doesn't usually kill people (except with autoimmune diseases), even if they are extremely sick.  It saves them!  A normal immune response to a vaccine certainly hasn't been known to lead to multiple organ failure and death in an individual. 

41 minutes ago, Danzo said:

not all medical interventions are appropriate for everyone automaticaly. 

   I agree.  In this case, you are wrong though.  Vaccination is highly indicated for people with comorbidities.  That is our hospitals are filled with younger and relatively healthier and unvaccinated people, and much fewer old and sick people are dying from Covid since the vaccine came out.  The demographics of hospitalization and death have drastically changed since the vaccine. 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by pogi

[Calm]

4 hours ago, Harry T. Clark said:

If more than 15,000 deaths have been reported, shouldn't that raise alarms?  It seems to me it should.

Depends on how many are actually likely scenarios for death by Covid vaccine. We don’t know what the count is for obvious irrelevant deaths where the cause is either nonmedical or there is a likely other medical cause, such as refusing dialysis. 
 

Since we don’t know, I don’t think alarms should automatically be raised just because of numbers. 
 

If the reports are open to the public, it would be foolish to completely ignore it if they don’t want backfire in regards to the vaccine. I find such speculative assumptions unfounded as they didn’t have to make the reports available to the public, keeping them inaccessible with a claim of protecting privacy would have been easy to justify imo and would have made hiding actual causal adverse events easier. 
 

Added:  and apparently there are reports given of those VAERS reports that are investigated, as mentioned above by Pogi.  So your belief they are just ignoring the VAERS reports so they aren’t confronted by data suggesting the vaccines are dangerous appears to be founded on a false assumption. 

Edited October 7, 2021 by Calm

[pogi]

1 hour ago, Danzo said:

Like I responded above.  The death certificate does not contain good data for medical diagnosis and national health policy. THere just isn't space on it. We need to develop some sort of electronic death certificate that contains much more data. We are in the 21st century, we could include medical history, underlying medical issues and at least a confidence indicator on the diagnosis.  We shouldn't be limited to an entry  form. 

I wouldn't be opposed to an overhaul.  It is not a perfect system and we could probably get better reporting.  Either way, the system is good enough as it is to determine the best medical judgment of cause of death with contributing factors to portray a fairly accurate picture of specific diseases burden.  Again, it is not perfect, but it is how we get our numbers for all diseases and not just Covid, so we can't single out Covid in this.   If you trust the numbers for other diseases are fairly accurate, you have no reason to distrust Covid numbers due of the limitations of the death certificate. 

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by pogi

[BlueDreams]

4 hours ago, Stargazer said:

Well, yes, but I wasn't glossing over the where and how, just avoiding naming names.

Canada, New Zealand, and Australia seem to be the places where this is happening more than other English-speaking countries. Living in the UK these days, I am more concerned about what happens here than there in the US. I see some overreach in the US, but not really that much. The UK seems to be quite sane in this regard. Since mid-July the government has loosened the requirement for mask wearing to certain venues (such as pharmacies). My nurse wife likes to mask up when we go grocery shopping, and if I'm with her I do it, too, for the sake of the appearance of unity, but not if I'm by myself. But she spends a large part of her workday masked up anyway, being that she is a theater nurse (surgery), so she's used to it.

"glossing over" was more a generalized concern for when I've seen this come up. Though the countries you list are a good indication that the idea of what is assumed to be "reduced freedoms" are more likely differing means to managing a health crisis and isn't really a solid indication for whether or not a place is "free" or not. It's like saying a place has less freedom, because they are forced to listen to loud blaring horns and expected to move up hill to avoid a tsunami or that businesses were "forced" by the government to close in preparation for a hurricane. On both a democracy index and the human freedom index, Canada, New Zealand, and Australia continue to rank high. So high that canada and new zealand are in the top 5 for functioning democracy and all 3 are in the top 10 for human freedom. (see here and here) 

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Having been involved with griumpy groups who hate taxation (who likes it?) and other governmental inroads into personal freedom, I can tell you that these folks have existed for decades, and there's nothing new under this particular sun.

Yes, there's a difference. May the US government not be tempted into silencing dissent and journalists because of fear of unflattering news. That would be bad.

It is and isn't the same. The main themes of dissent aren't necessarily new concepts. There was vax hesitancy before covid, people concerned about big government, people skeptical about institutions, conspiracies, etc. What is distinctive (and concerning) is the greater spread and intensity with these.  And that's concerning.

 

With luv,

BD  

[Danzo]

2 hours ago, pogi said:

Just to clarify, this happened after a "booster" (third dose) shot?

 On the contrary, it is people who have comorbidities, old, frail, etc. who should be given something to deliberately provoke an immune response.  They are the ones at greatest risk of death from Covid.  Our immune system is triggered every day by pathogens in our food, air, hands, nose, skin, etc.  We don't need vaccines to provoke an immune response.  It happens every day.  It doesn't usually kill people (except with autoimmune diseases), even if they are extremely sick.  It saves them!  A normal immune response to a vaccine certainly hasn't been known to lead to multiple organ failure and death in an individual. 

   I agree.  In this case, you are wrong though.  Vaccination is highly indicated for people with comorbidities.  That is our hospitals are filled with younger and relatively healthier and unvaccinated people, and much fewer old and sick people are dying from Covid since the vaccine came out.  The demographics of hospitalization and death have drastically changed since the vaccine. 

 

 

This happend after a third dose (the covid booster shot).

I don't have a complete medical report but what I was told is that his organs started failing about three hours after his third dose.  The kept him alive for about a week before he passed last friday.

Without all of the details I can't say if his organs failed because of the covid shot or something else that was coincidence.  All I know is the sequence Shot followed by organ failure, followed by death.  If I get more details, I will share.

His family suspects the shot caused it.  Whether they are correct or not, it is understandable, due to the sequence of events that they would suspect this.   If the doctors made a mistake I doubt it would be admitted.  In my experience, hospitals and doctors don't easily admit to mistakes. 

Right now I would classify it as a death with the vaccine present, not death from the vaccine until I get more information (which I doubt I will get). 

 

 

Edited October 7, 2021 by Danzo

[Calm]

9 minutes ago, Danzo said:

 If the doctors made a mistake I doubt it would be admitted.  In my experience, hospitals and doctors don't easily admit to mistakes.

Something is not a mistake if one can’t predict ahead of time a bad reaction, surely.  And him having previous jobs of the same vaccine would indicate there was a lower probability of weirdness happening. 

[Danzo]

6 minutes ago, Calm said:

Something is not a mistake if one can’t predict ahead of time a bad reaction, surely.  And him having previous jobs of the same vaccine would indicate there was a lower probability of weirdness happening. 

I am not say it was a mistake, I don't know.  I am saying that in my experience doctors and hospitals don't easily admit mistakes.  In my opinion they are as bad as police officer when it comes to covering up mistakes.

 

ETA:  Mistakes are normal and natural, mistakes are something to be learned from. Making a mistake doesn't make you a bad person.  However covering up mistakes is bad. You can't learn if you don't admit mistakes.  In my experience the health industry doesn't like admitting to mistakes unless forced to.  Probably because of fear of lawsuit.

Whenever I find a mistake in my office, especially ones that I make, I call in all of the employees to discuss how the error happend, what to do about it and if we can change our processes to avoid it in the future. It would be nice if more people did that.

Edited October 7, 2021 by Danzo

[pogi]

38 minutes ago, Danzo said:

This happend after a third does (the covid booster shot).

I don't have a complete medical report but what I was told is that his organs started failing about three hours after his third dose.  The kept him alive for about a week before he passed last friday.

Without all of the details I can't say if his organs failed because of the covid shot or something else that was coincidence.  All I know is the sequence Shot followed by organ failure, followed by death.  If I get more details, I will share.

His family suspects the shot caused it.  Whether they are correct or not, it is understandable, due to the sequence of events that they would suspect this.   If the doctors made a mistake I doubt it would be admitted.  In my experience, hospitals and doctors don't easily admit to mistakes. 

Right now I would classify it as a death with the vaccine present, not death from the vaccine until I get more information (which I doubt I will get). 

I appreciate your rational caution in ruling this as being caused by the vaccine.  With the very limited information that we have here, I agree that it sounds like it could potentially be linked to the vaccine and should be investigated further.  The fact that it happened after the third dose (which hasn't been thoroughly studied) makes it that much more suspicious.

I have no doubt that people have died from vaccination.  The Yellow Fever vaccine has been known to cause multiple organ failure and death in people over 60.   We use it with caution in that population.  No such evidence has surfaced yet with the Covid vaccine, but that may change as more data comes out about the booster dose.  Such cases are usually extremely rare (like 24/million for yellow fever) where the risk for natural infection is often greater depending on their travel itinerary.  It is always a matter of weighing risk vs benefit and adjust recommendations as new data presents itself.   

Edited October 7, 2021 by pogi

[Harry T. Clark]

4 hours ago, Calm said:

Depends on how many are actually likely scenarios for death by Covid vaccine. We don’t know what the count is for obvious irrelevant deaths where the cause is either nonmedical or there is a likely other medical cause, such as refusing dialysis. 
 

Since we don’t know, I don’t think alarms should automatically be raised just because of numbers. 
 

If the reports are open to the public, it would be foolish to completely ignore it if they don’t want backfire in regards to the vaccine. I find such speculative assumptions unfounded as they didn’t have to make the reports available to the public, keeping them inaccessible with a claim of protecting privacy would have been easy to justify imo and would have made hiding actual causal adverse events easier. 
 

Added:  and apparently there are reports given of those VAERS reports that are investigated, as mentioned above by Pogi.  So your belief they are just ignoring the VAERS reports so they aren’t confronted by data suggesting the vaccines are dangerous appears to be founded on a false assumption. 

1. This backs up my suggestion that competent professionals should be investigating the claims.

2. How many are investigated?  Do we know?  Did Pogi supply numbers or just vaguely wave at it by saying that some are investigated without providing any substance to his assertion?  You simply cannot say that my request to have the reported deaths investigated, all of them, a requirement by law, is based on false assumptions.  This goes back to my view that some here, and perhaps you, unfortunately, are the ones making the assumptions that have no basis, to support the vaccines, mandates, lockdowns, etc., regardless.

[Hamba Tuhan]

1 hour ago, Harry T. Clark said:

This backs up my suggestion that competent professionals should be investigating the claims ... How many are investigated?  Do we know?

As I noted yesterday, according to our much better designed adverse incident system, reports of death following Covid vaccination have been made for 0.002 per cent of all doses given. On what basis are you assuming that America would have much, much different results?

Every one of these reported deaths has been investigated by competent professionals. Result: only 1.6 per cent of them were found to have been caused by the vaccine (AstraZeneca in each case). On what basis are you assuming that America would have much, much different results (especially in light of the fact that the AstraZeneca vaccine is not being used there)?

As I likewise noted yesterday, at this point in time, there is only a one-in-1,488,888 chance of dying from being fully vaccinated here (despite our early reliance on AstraZeneca). Extrapolated to the number of vaccination doses given in America, that would equal 268 vaccine-caused deaths in America -- which is not even remotely close to the 15,000 number you keep bringing up (and which I easily could have upped yesterday just by hitting the 'Submit' button at the end of my completely fake report). On what basis are you assuming that America would have much, much different results?

It appears to me that you are the one 'making assumptions that have no basis' to oppose 'vaccines, mandates, lockdowns, etc., regardless'.

Edited October 8, 2021 by Hamba Tuhan

[pogi]

1 hour ago, Harry T. Clark said:

1. This backs up my suggestion that competent professionals should be investigating the claims.

2. How many are investigated?  Do we know?  Did Pogi supply numbers or just vaguely wave at it by saying that some are investigated without providing any substance to his assertion?  You simply cannot say that my request to have the reported deaths investigated, all of them, a requirement by law, is based on false assumptions.  This goes back to my view that some here, and perhaps you, unfortunately, are the ones making the assumptions that have no basis, to support the vaccines, mandates, lockdowns, etc., regardless.

Keep in mind that these vaccines are put through rigorous clinical trials too where every minor side effect and death is thoroughly and individually investigated.  The purpose of VAERS is to serve more as a tool to screen for adverse events as they emerge in populations - to identify patterns outside of what is considered to be normal for a population - and outside of what has already been identified as normal risk in clinical trials.  Everything in VAERS is investigated from a population perspective.  All the data is used.  No data is not used in the overall investigation.  Here is one great example of how it has worked:

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Dr. Paul Offit, director of the Vaccine Education Center at the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, cites the case of a vaccine called RotaShield as an example of VAERS working at its best. In the late 1990s, RotaShield was given to young children to prevent infection from the rotavirus, which causes vomiting and diarrhea in infants and young children. 

"There were like 15 case reports of children who had intestinal blockage called intussusception within two weeks of getting the vaccine," Offit told PolitiFact.

"What was odd about that was that they were generally young for intussusception," he said. Usually, children with the condition "were the 5- to 9-month olds, not a 2-month-old. Suddenly this was appearing in the VAERS system."

The unusual pattern served as enough probable cause for a deeper investigation into whether the blockages were linked to the vaccine. And indeed, studies found that the incidence was much higher in children who had the vaccine than those who hadn’t been vaccinated. RotaShield was withdrawn from use.

 

Here is how it has specifically worked with Covid:

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During the early rollout of the COVID-19 vaccine, for example, several cases of a severe allergic reaction called anaphylaxis were reported to the system. Shimabukuro said the CDC was able to quickly quantify that risk. 

In addition, VAERS helped alert health officials to a rare type of blood clot called cerebral venous sinus thrombosis in six individuals who received the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine. This was a small portion of the 6.85 million people who had received the J&J shot, but it was enough to trigger the CDC to explore a possible link, Shimabukuro said.

After a pause to review the cases, the CDC and FDA recommended resuming use of the J&J vaccine, concluding that given the rare occurrence of blood clots, the benefits of the vaccine outweighed the potential for harm. But they recommended including an advisory about the blood-clot risk, and said they would continue monitoring the issue.

"When we do detect a problem, we have the systems and we have the expertise to assess those problems, and if we confirm that there is a problem and we feel we need to take action and communicate that to the public, we have mechanisms like the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices to rapidly get that information out there," Shimabukuro said.

 

Do you see how sensitive it is?  It triggered an investigation with just 15 cases intussusception.  It also triggered an investigation with just a handful of cases of a rare blood clot with Covid vaccine.  If anything unusual happens, it triggers an investigation. 

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/may/03/vaers-governments-vaccine-safety-database-critical/

Edited October 8, 2021 by pogi