Bill “Papa” Lee
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In 1985, I Personally Witnessed Golden Plates
Bill “Papa” Lee replied to Analytics's topic in General Discussions
Here is the proof I have of it’s Divine origin. I was on a live fire exercise in West Germany, in January 1979. Our commanding officer, asked me to drive the three hours back to Base. I was so very happy, as I had already been away from my family for two weeks. I arrived early in the morning, and was able to be at home overnight. However, I had orders to pick up our commanding officer by 16:00 hours, 4 PM. I had finished packing, for a cold journey. A woman, a friend of my wife, Peggy Spencer showed up 20 minutes before I had to leave. She said, “I have been talking to your wife, and she tells you love to read religious books”. I told her I did, by this time my duffel bag was packed to the max. So, she hands me the older type of the Book of Mormon, with the picture of the Angel Moroni on the cover. The very moment this book touched my fingers, I turned all but breathless. So much so, I could ask her in a whisper, “what is this”? She started to explain, but I realized I had to go, so I placed in the top of my duffel bag. Our return trip to this live fire location, turned from a three hour drive, into a five hour drive, due to a blizzard. However despite the cold, and poor visibility, yetI could think about anything more than this book. As the Scriptures say, “blessed are those that see and believe, but more blessed are them who do not see and believe”. I hope I quoted the Scripture properly, as well as all else. in short, your Brother Bill Lee is a believer, for 45 years and counting. -
I am so sorry for your troubles, and the heartache that accompanies such situations. However, knowing this, you are and will now be in my prayers. In the past two years, I have suffered with very difficult physical pains, and three surgeries. But any type of physical pain, is nothing compared to emotional pain, God bless you, my sometimes cyber friend, from years gone by. I pray even more for your “mud-kids”, who often suffer so much more when their parents part ways, no matter how it happened. Having lived it as a child, it is confusing, mind numbing, leaving (at least for me) conflicted and insecure. I don’t think I need to tell you this, but you need to move both, “Heaven and Earth”, to be ever present in the lives of your children. Something my bio-father never did, however my Father in Heaven, sent to my Mother and her three kids, I being the youngest. He was a great man, and a Baptist Minister, who also adopted us, changing my last name to “Lee”, instead of “Nation”. I was truly blessed, and proudly bare his name, as he me with so much, a “strong work ethic”, an a “soul filled with compassion for all”, and what it means to be taught me “good man”. I lost him in June 2006, and still go to his grave, and now since 2014, my Mother as well, to pray, and seek their advice. God Bless You, @Mudcat.
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First of all, I always fell better, when those I love are on the ground. In this case, one of my babies is in the air, headed to another country. Having flow (property”, 200,000 miles). However, I worry when anyone is in the air, I worry. I worry, because in the ARMY, I was in three, emergency landings. I also made the mistake of looking up looking up news articles be they benign issues, and crimes. Now, I have a sick feeling. I will be offering a lot more prayer, until she comes home. At least two of my children served missions in the U.S.
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My granddaughter finally received her VISA, and will be leaving California for Peru. It only took almost six months of her, eighteen month mission to go there. In the last three months, she has sent out group e-mails, of different situations where she has had her feelings hurt. Two concerning “male investigators”, who have said serious vulgarities toward her. The others from other Sister missionaries who just felt the need to bring her down. I did all I could to both speak comforting words, then I gave a single sentence comment of the written word, my written word… ”For if any man or woman shall give thee offense, Turn the other cheek, and then call your Papa, and he shall appear”!
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Way to go…
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How to reconcile mixed messages from The Church
Bill “Papa” Lee replied to Maestrophil's topic in General Discussions
There are number of issues here. The Church will baptism and who claim they will repent. I once was a part of a Stake Council, where we discussed the excommunication of a gay man. He was not being excommunicated for being gay, he was faced with excommunication for stealing money from tithing offerings, to pay for trips to see, or go on cruises to be with his lover. One High Counselor asked, are we excommunicating this guy for being gay? I told him, gay people can be baptized, and be members with callings, as long as they obey the commandments. In this case, we are only considering the steeling of Church funds. Often it was steeling his wife’s tithing. However, even though married, once tithing envelopes are giving to a member of the Bishopric hands, no one can claim it, or request the envelopes, it is Church funds. The guy I speak of, knowing this his wife, who had a good paying job, always paid her tithing in cash. Since he was Ward Clerk, he would destroy the tithing slip, to pay for trips. He did so, as she made a lot of money, in he 10%, and Fast Offerings. There was not enough information to link his adulterous affairs. However, since he was excommunicated for theft, it did not matter what he did after. He did not even care enough to show up, and had already left his wife and two children. On a personal note, nothing justifies adultery. Because my bio-father got another woman pregnant, and left my Mother, and three children, myself being the youngest, I have nothing but contempt for those who cheat. In two day, I will be married 48 years, and no matter how hard it has been at times, I would not, nor could I ever break the heart of my wife, or my four children. I love her, my children, my grandchildren, more than life itself, as they also love me. Anyway, nuff said. -
Church Offers Resources Re: Faith Crisis Issues
Bill “Papa” Lee replied to smac97's topic in General Discussions
My process of determining what is of and from God, has always been ongoing. Learning as I did from my Minister Father, feelings alone are a danger that cause to reject all scripture. Therefore, whenever I encounter anything that causes me to question my Faith, my beliefs, etc. I have developed a patience that will allow me the time, to study it out with as many sources as I can locate, along with constant prayer to know the truth. My Daddy was a man wise beyond his years, as he had been giving me this advice when he was in his 30’s, and I beginning at the age of eight. He trusted me at that age, to have Faith, and the ability to understand what Faith means, and continues to aide me. Even today, at 66 years of age, in many situations, my Father is still the voice in my head. I have had two voices in my heart, one is thankfully is my Mama, the other is the Holy Spirit. Because of this, I have been able to weather the storms of life, as it has been a lighthouse unto me for the many storms that have rocked my life, until this day. -
Was Joseph at the Savior's Crucifixion?
Bill “Papa” Lee replied to nuclearfuels's topic in General Discussions
I hope his Father did not have to see what his son endured. -
I am happy you are able to find some peace, and using the Grace of Jesus Christ, to help you both heal, and forgive fully. As for your nephew, having served for many years in a “forward areas”, and knowing of such stress, he will be in my prayers. Military service is demanding, but also rewarding. I pray for his safety, and hope he never experiences some of the things I did. Sadly, we live in a world, that is never at peace. Regardless, soldiers can feel peace in their call of Service. God bless you my friend… Bill Lee
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My heart breaks for you, also in the end we must all forgive to be forgiven, according to the Atonement of Jesus Christ. As a retired Police Officer, I can tell you that he was probably repeating something from his own awful past, where he too was sexually assaulted.
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My wife, who I met 48 years ago, next month we will be married for 48 years, is wearing herself out. In the last six months, I have been hospitalized twice, and she would spend her nights with me, and then do all she had too during the day. These stories about my health issues, I have shared. What I did not share, is what our youngest daughter is going through. She was hospitalized with a life threatening infection, at which time, she moved back home with us. In those six months after she was realized from a downtown Atlanta hospital, she has lived here. But she has had two more local hospital stays, which have amounted to over two months in the hospital. Due to this, she has been spending as many hours as she can with our daughter, Alicia. All while caring for our eighth month old granddaughter. My wife is 67 years old, as of December 1st, and still cares for all but two of our nine grandchildren. Because of the age gap of our oldest and youngest grandchild, she has cared for our grandchildren, from their mother’s returning back to work, until they began school. This means, she has been the daycare of our grandchildren, for 20+ years. In short, we have one on a mission, and one just learning to crawl. Since my backbreaking accident, on May 21, 2012, I have helped as best as I am able. We both love it, and it helps us build a wonderful bond, between our grandchildren, our years are now taking a toll. No matter how you do the math, before our youngest enters preschool, we will both be 70+ years of age. Her commitment to all of those she loves, will not ever allow her to say; NO. Even Sunday Supper after Church, every single Sunday, feeding 18+ people, she won’t even ask for help. She is in great health, always smiling, at Church events, when family is around, she is a Saint. However, when the event is over, or when everyone goes home, I can see how exhausted she is, as she tells me, “I don’t know how much longer, I can keep this up”? So, I will call all my daughters, be it spouses, our my two daughters, and tell them, “you have got to help her”! Their replies are always the same, “we ask her all the time, what do you need us to do”, and her reply is always the same, “can you pick up bread, or chips and some dip”, in “short she asks us to do things that require no work at all”. How do I save this Saint, from the inevitable collapse that will one day come. I can already see, the exhaustion in her beautiful blue eyes, in the beautiful lines (which I love) on her face. Sometimes, in the tears she tries to hide, until she is no longer able, when she sees my blood sugar, rise to dangerous levels, or when she calls out, and finds it so low, and why I did not answer. She is besieged on every side, and has to wonder, is there is any safe harbor? So, prayers please, for the woman I love, and seldom deserve, prayers please for Pamela Lee!
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This brother, told all of us (his family) that he was 21 days sober. So he either had a relapse, and used again, or the sudden “cold turkey”, could have killed him. It can be very dangerous to go “cold turkey”, without a doctor’s guidance. He was only 49 years of age, his issues had already cost him any relationship with his three daughters.
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My half brother passed away last night, I did not know him well, as his life (sort of like my step brother) was life filled with hardcore drinking, and hardcore drugs. Yet, it is still a loss, and he was still my brother. I pray God has saved his eternal soul, as I would hope he will save my own.
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Move to "Dis-Establish" the Church of England
Bill “Papa” Lee replied to smac97's topic in General Discussions
Sorry for calling “Henry”, a George. But, I am an American after all. -
Move to "Dis-Establish" the Church of England
Bill “Papa” Lee replied to smac97's topic in General Discussions
Simply put, I have a few ideas on this issue. Having the Monarch as head of the Church of England, is truly ridiculous, for many reasons. 1. The Church of England while in its infancy, was a formed so that King George III, I think he was the third, who knows, I am an American. 2. It was later created under the rule of Queen Elizabeth I. She then had any Bishops who opposed her, locked he up, until after vote, for the breakaway from the Catholic Church. 3. After her reign, (so called) King (now a saint, as if) had the Bible, translated into English, but he was in no way a Saint, due to his sexual exploits, be it women or men, where legend!! However, 95% of the New Testament, not sure about the Old Testament, had already been translated into English, by William Tyndale. For doing this, for having translated the Bible into English, he was put to death! Not sure by what method, but it could be one of three ways, the bloodthirsty members of that day, would involve, “death my hanging, burned at the stake for being an apostate, or beheading”. My guess is “burning at the stake, a friendly reminder of the hell that everyone will experience if they do anything, that the Church did not sanction. While imprisoned by the Catholic Church, he once made a request, to the presiding Bishop, asking him, my I have some paper and a pencil. He also mentioned, asked for a cloke, stating that his prison cell was cold and damp.” For this, he was executed, that day by the Catholic Church. 4. The royal family, which was found out a few years ago, are not to be descendants of the “Royal line”, (the Queen Consort, of some King at the time, cheated on the King). Therefore, they are not by English law, “Royals at all”, so they are not the ordained leaders of the Church of England. However that aside, The Family, or The Firm, did something very wrong, when King George V, was very sick, “The Firm”, feared that the King might pass away, at the wrong time, to appear in the most respectable newspaper, so to make sure he passed away, to appear first, in the correct news cycle, he was euthanized. In our world, this would have only one name; Murder! 5. In addition, despite the staggering wealth of the Royal’s have, millions, if not billions are paid to the family, every single year, as such, millions or billions of tax dollars are given because they are the “Approved Religion”, or even worse, the State Religion”. There should be no “State Religions”, in any free “Democratic Republic”, no matter where or when. 6. King Charles true beliefs, are more Islamic. He speaks Arabic as well as he speaks the English language. Whenever he wishes to build communities in Great Britain, many of his ideas are very good ideas, not all but many are good ideas. If he cannot get additional taxes from the British Government to back them the construction, he has very deep ties in the Middle East, to back him. In fact, a couple of years (if not less), it was found out that he accepted many millions of money, from the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, he was shamed into giving it back. At the time, the Prime Minister of England, told him, “if you want their money, we can just give you less”. Regardless of this, he is not a true believer, certainly not a Christian, despite the efforts of his Mother the Queen, and Prince Phillip. Both of whom tried to teach him Christianity, and to no avail, teach him to be a better husband and father. It is truly odd, is it not, the Protestant movement began so that King George could get a divorce. When the Catholic Church told him that he could not, he just killed them, on truly awful indictments; go figure? -
When she gets a visa, I send a PM to you, to get their names. Since she won’t have her Papa looking out for her, maybe when serving in the same area they can make sure she is well fed, and looked after. I sent her an e-mail a month or two ago. I told her, if anyone ever hurts you, I already have planned the fastest route to you. I then told her, that includes if anyone even hurts your feelings. 😀BTW, they are trying to keep her with others who are to serve in other Spanish speaking missions, when they to get their Visa’s, and also visiting, and ministering to members who speak primarily Spanish, with English as their second language. In her first area, she took part in classes, teaching English to converts, or longtime members who cannot speak English very well. And she is LOVING it.
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My granddaughter on the far right, as you view this photo at the L.A. Temple. Hard to believe she is twenty years old, as her Nanny and Papa are watching our youngest granddaughter, who is 8 months old. I miss her tooooooo much. She is still waiting for her visa so she serve in Peru.
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How do you post a picture on this thread, I would love to show the picture of my granddaughter, with others on her mission in front of the L.A. Temple.
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My granddaughter, who is on a mission was there, or rather did sessions all day last week. She fell in love with its size and beauty. I was asking which, as I have a lifelong friend who worked at another.
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If I may ask, which Temple did you work in, and when? We have many Temples that are quite small, and inexpensive. When my son went through the Temple before his mission, the Atlanta Temple was being remodeled. So we went to the Birmingham, AL Temple, which was not to much larger than my home at the time. In fact it shared the parking lot with the even smaller Ward building.
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In a world such as this, many “sadly” think the Church is only trying to build a massive corporation, to yield countless other billions, with every move, it is for many reasons. However, what they attempting to do, is to ensure that every Ward building, Temple, storehouse is paid for completely, before even the plans are drawn. Because they believe fully in the doctrine handed down through the ages, they are seeking to feed those in need, which is a tenant of our Faith, and a teaching from the Lord Jesus Christ. In Zion, there are no poor, no hungry, to list only two very important things. In addition, The Church, believes entirely of the building of the New Zion. In fact, I have know many of my friends who have been sent to “Adam-ondi-Ahman”, to restore the land, for the Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the Restoration of the land. Doing this for building of the New Zion, and make way for the “Lost Tribes” to rebuild it. The Church has been purchasing millions, a millions acres of land, in and around, meaning land in surrounding States, all around this main location. Sometimes even using shell-companies, in and effort to have others even allow such purchases. What many fail to notice, is the Church pays out Billions each year, with building maintenance, heating bills, electricity bills, landscaping bills. etc. Most typical Wards, pay out many thousands each month, 20-50,000 per year in food, car payments, house payments, etc., for those in need, which equals Billions more. They also built a new family history center with specifications that cost Millions more, in an effort to keep it from being destroyed. It was build not too very far from “Adam-ondi-Ahman”, because they are believers. Much of this land will probably be turned into farmland, no cattle ranch expansion, as it is some of the greatest farmland on our planet. The Church now has (I think) three Temple’s in MO, one is very new, barely dedicated, if my information is correct. The wealth the Church has, is not to line the pockets of others, it is, and is being used to purchase the land, to build the infrastructure, for the New Zion (that alone is tens of buildings, and the Temples announced more tens of billions, and New Zion itself, hundreds of billions. In short, let us pray we have enough when the time comes, this is way we save, and thankfully we have leaders who can see beyond today, who understand that the money we have, is working for use to carry out our divine calling. Make no mistake, the time of the second coming is near, and time is a wasting. I don’t believe I will live to see, but I am certain those younger and healthier than I, The Lord Jesus Christ, he is coming!