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27 minutes ago, Chum said:

Son #4 seems to have lost his sense of smell today. He's been ~mildly sick for a while but not with typical Covid symptoms. He had 2 neg PCR tests (as did I). Our workplace emptied out after employees tested positive, 2 weeks ago.

I know one (possibly 3) people w/ multiple neg PCR tests - and pos molecular OTC tests. They checked all the Covid boxes.

Given all this I've developed some mistrust of PCR tests. Not sure what to do about that.

Except for the loss of taste and smell my husband had all the common covid symptoms with his pertussis.  Worst "flu" he has had.  The second round was a little better. His covid tests were both negative.

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17 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

If you read my first post, he's just someone I found online. It's been fascinating to watch a strong New Age (right term?) Christian community respond to the incursion of Delta into their midst.

Apologies for my new obsession, but here's one more update. The planned hospital-break appears to have run into some kind of obstacle:

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The goal is still to get him well enough to get him out of there [hospital] and into a better course of treatment.

 

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10 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

Apologies for my new obsession, but here's one more update. The planned hospital-break appears to have run into some kind of obstacle:

 

So he is too sick for even them to risk it. 
 

I thought for a second the obstacle was someone reporting them to hospital security. 

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41 minutes ago, Calm said:

So he is too sick for even them to risk it. 

Yep. Crazy, hey? So now they're dependent on letting the hospital try to save him 'enough' that they can take over and do the real job ...

My prediction: he dies, and they all assure themselves that it was the hospital 'protocol' that killed him.

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Colorado stats. Case counts are hard to compare. Especially because of the UK study Calm posted yesterday. 63% of vaccinated  people are asymptomatic. Their cases are mild so they are not being tested. Hospitalizations and death tell an important story that vaccines work.

https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/coronavirus/publicly-available-data-reveals-effectiveness-of-covid-19-vaccines-in-colorado?_amp=true&__twitter_impression=true
 

 

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The President is asking OSHA to require all employers with 100 or more employees to require either vaccination or regular Covid testing for their employees. It also mandates vaccination for all federal employees and federal contractors.

This is going to be fun and the screaming about the constitution has already started despite the constitution having nothing to say on the matter. This will probably hit the Supreme Court quickly and there is precedent for mandatory vaccinations being allowed if the threat to public health is severe enough.

 

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1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

The President is asking OSHA to require all employers with 100 or more employees to require either vaccination or regular Covid testing for their employees. It also mandates vaccination for all federal employees and federal contractors.

This is going to be fun and the screaming about the constitution has already started despite the constitution having nothing to say on the matter. This will probably hit the Supreme Court quickly and there is precedent for mandatory vaccinations being allowed if the threat to public health is severe enough.

 

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Shouldn’t this be in the other covid thread? Isn’t this thread more for more scientific topics?

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11 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The President is asking OSHA to require all employers with 100 or more employees to require either vaccination or regular Covid testing for their employees. It also mandates vaccination for all federal employees and federal contractors.

This is going to be fun and the screaming about the constitution has already started despite the constitution having nothing to say on the matter. This will probably hit the Supreme Court quickly and there is precedent for mandatory vaccinations being allowed if the threat to public health is severe enough.

 

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Yep the President has thrown the gauntlet down and the screaming about violating the constitution and being Biden being a senile dictator has already started.

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23 hours ago, Robert J Anderson said:

Where do you get this?  Also, does IHC break down the numbers by age?

Here's all the state data on hospitalizations (much more comprehensive than just IHC):

https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/hosp.html

Average age: 54

Percent with at least one pre-existing condition: 37.3%

Keep in mind, this is cumulative from the beginning of the pandemic.  So the current numbers are going to be skewed by this because there were much more old and vulnerable people hospitalized before vaccination efforts began. 

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12 hours ago, The Nehor said:

The President is asking OSHA to require all employers with 100 or more employees to require either vaccination or regular Covid testing for their employees. It also mandates vaccination for all federal employees and federal contractors.

This is going to be fun and the screaming about the constitution has already started despite the constitution having nothing to say on the matter. This will probably hit the Supreme Court quickly and there is precedent for mandatory vaccinations being allowed if the threat to public health is severe enough.

 

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I like that there is in place that if not vaccinated, weekly testing for Covid is needed. Sometimes we need some breathing room, a way to fight Covid for those that haven't come around to trusting the vaccine or has allergic reactions to vaccines. 

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1 hour ago, pogi said:

Here's all the state data on hospitalizations (much more comprehensive than just IHC):

https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/hosp.html

Average age: 54

Percent with at least one pre-existing condition: 37.3%

Keep in mind, this is cumulative from the beginning of the pandemic.  So the current numbers are going to be skewed by this because there were much more old and vulnerable people hospitalized before vaccination efforts began. 

Here is what Johns Hopkins says about current hospital capacity in Utah:  https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/utah

The Johns Hopkins data says current ICU capacity is at 73% two weeks ago and 71% one week ago.

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Interesting data out of the UK. https://uk.news.yahoo.com/three-quarters-covid-patients-under-194446142.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYmluZy5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAG5iCypqld7wZ9KLHfoCdUMMIyfY6AcXcN7tx6bhrA4N_A7EDwt7tdcr6UN1PjOXnKup6sYtioDMXqZMCWLUkTgGPMViswchm6yjW3ZhWhlveIsQ-lOvWWEmwWNi8Hoty37fMuyUPQHhwT5JomazEKjg1WgIopOTqFb1qMt7QywK

For those over 50, 61  percent of hospitalized patients were vaccinated. For those under 50, 73 percent were unvaccinated.  I do remember reading how the elderly, had a lower immune response to the vaccine than those who were younger. This is probably why a targeted booster shot roll out is happening.

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53 minutes ago, Robert J Anderson said:

Here is what Johns Hopkins says about current hospital capacity in Utah:  https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/utah

The Johns Hopkins data says current ICU capacity is at 73% two weeks ago and 71% one week ago.

This information is more current (yesterday) and from a more reliable Utah source - Utah health department:

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Referral intensive care units, that can treat the most serious patients, are 92.5% full, and overall ICU usage is now at 88.2%.

https://www.ksl.com/article/50237220/primary-childrens-seeing-critically-ill-kids-contract-covid-utah-confirms-2165-new-cases

 

These numbers match the Utah State Dashboard:

https://coronavirus-dashboard.utah.gov/hosp.html

ICU's at intermountain are considered "functionally full" at 85%

https://intermountainhealthcare.org/blogs/topics/covid-19/2020/11/covid-19-what-it-means-for-a-hospital-icu-to-be-at-capacity/

 

 

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