General Conference April 2020 -- It's On like Donkey Kong

[mfbukowski]

3 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

The Pope will declare that a Nazirite vow specific to the Mormon Order -- with Moroni pins or Moroni medallions on necklaces identifying members of the MO.  Dr Nelson, MO, as Patriarch of the West.  Just as the Bishop of Rome, is Pope Francis, SJ.

Not so fast there ! 

Someone is the TRUE Bishop of Rome NY a mere 100 miles from Palmyra!!  

http://profile.infofree.com/biz/NY/Rome/Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints/11132570042776

AND that other Rome,  that village on the Tiber,  if they have a temple, they must have a few Bishops thereabouts as well! 

 

Edited October 23, 2019 by mfbukowski

[Metis_LDS]

14 hours ago, 2BizE said:

I wonder if 50 years from now, church leaders will teach that at the 2020 April conference, the voice and face of Pres. Nelson was transposed with the voice and face of Joseph Smith.

Well the face we might get but the voice???  I have read many accounts from those present when Brigham Young was transformed.  Some are most impressive,  such as Joseph was taller than Brigham and the man appearing was taller than Brigham.  Some accounts were from those who knew Joseph well from much contact. They stated that Joseph had a way of clearing his throat before he spoke in a way only he did and that the person on the stage cleared his throat in the same way.  The one I like the most is that Joseph had a tooth broken when he was mobbed one time.  (the detail is nasty I will omit it )  Afterwards when he spoke loudly to a group there would be a slight whistle when he said certain words.  There is one account of this whistling while speaking from the man appearing to be Joseph Smith when Brigham Young was speaking.  I have read these and I am not making it up.

Edited October 23, 2019 by Metis_LDS
grammar

[JLHPROF]

17 hours ago, nuclearfuels said:

I've heard speculation that Joseph Smith will be there (I imagine he will be but not as a resurrected being)

Because you don't think he's resurrected yet or because he just won't appear and confirm it?

[2BizE]

I’m ahead of all y’all. I’m going to Orlando. I have information from a credible source that at the end of the famous April 2020 conference, Pres. Nelson will declare, “I’m going to Disney World.” I will already be there and miss the rush.

[OGHoosier]

9 hours ago, 2BizE said:

I’m ahead of all y’all. I’m going to Orlando. I have information from a credible source that at the end of the famous April 2020 conference, Pres. Nelson will declare, “I’m going to Disney World.” I will already be there and miss the rush.

I rarely laugh when reading this board.

I did now. 

[nuclearfuels]

On 10/23/2019 at 8:06 AM, JLHPROF said:

Because you don't think he's resurrected yet or because he just won't appear and confirm it?

Far as I can remember, I believe the doctrine is: all those who died after teh Savior died will be resurrected when He returns to earth.

I've already felt the resence of many departed loved ones, while I've been inside and outside and away from teh Temple. So, that's proof enough for me

[SettingDogStar]

42 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

Far as I can remember, I believe the doctrine is: all those who died after teh Savior died will be resurrected when He returns to earth.

I've already felt the resence of many departed loved ones, while I've been inside and outside and away from teh Temple. So, that's proof enough for me

Others have been resurrected since the Saviors death. Peter and James are good examples. Moroni is the pinnacle example of course because he resides on our temples. So while the majority will be risen when the Savior comes again, there have been a few brought forth for various missions. Now that the Savior has the keys I see no reason why He wouldn’t utilize them when needed.

 

[nuclearfuels]

11 minutes ago, SettingDogStar said:

Others have been resurrected since the Saviors death. Peter and James are good examples. Moroni is the pinnacle example of course because he resides on our temples. So while the majority will be risen when the Savior comes again, there have been a few brought forth for various missions. Now that the Savior has the keys I see no reason why He wouldn’t utilize them when needed.

 

Good point about the keys.

Not sure April 2020 merits the use of that key

[JLHPROF]

10 hours ago, SettingDogStar said:

Others have been resurrected since the Saviors death. Peter and James are good examples. Moroni is the pinnacle example of course because he resides on our temples. So while the majority will be risen when the Savior comes again, there have been a few brought forth for various missions. Now that the Savior has the keys I see no reason why He wouldn’t utilize them when needed.

 

Moses, Elias, Elijah, John the Baptist, Peter, James and John, Moroni.

So why not the prophet Joseph?  He presides over this last dispensation.  He would be the first resurrected for our day.

[SettingDogStar]

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Moses, Elias, Elijah, John the Baptist, Peter, James and John, Moroni.

So why not the prophet Joseph?  He presides over this last dispensation.  He would be the first resurrected for our day.

He probably is, wouldn’t surprise me!

[OGHoosier]

On 10/27/2019 at 10:23 AM, SettingDogStar said:

He probably is, wouldn’t surprise me!

I mean, we know where Brother Joseph is buried. It would be extremely against my sensibilities to go check, but it could be done. 

However, I highly doubt that Joseph Smith Jr. has been resurrected. He passed on the keys given to him while he was alive. He doesn't have a volume of scripture to protect and bring forth anymore. Not much reason for him to be resurrected prematurely. Furthermore, from what Joseph F. Smith tells us, Brother Joseph is extremely busy in the spirit world, attending to preparations for the Savior's return and the great missionary work on the other side of the veil. I mean, when you think about it, he's the only dispensation head in the spirit world at the moment, and ordinances for the dead are being implemented for the first time in history if I have my dispensation doctrine right. Frankly I don't think Joseph has the time to be resurrected right now. They need him more there. 

[Calm]

28 minutes ago, OGHoosier said:

I mean, we know where Brother Joseph is buried. It would be extremely against my sensibilities to go check, but it could be done. 

This assumes that all resurrections are of the exact same bodies that are buried, which probably isn't physically impossible since some parts of bodies after thorough decomposition and reabsorption into the food chain got consumed by other humans to make their bodies.

Even when the scriptures talk about graves being opened, good chance imo it was meant figuratively as in release from death.

Edited October 30, 2019 by Calm

[JLHPROF]

25 minutes ago, OGHoosier said:

I mean, we know where Brother Joseph is buried. It would be extremely against my sensibilities to go check, but it could be done. 

Well if it's actually him AND resurrection works the way we think. 

According to one urban myth they brought his body to Utah.  It was so widespread the RLDS exhumed the bodies in 1928 to prove it wrong.

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However, I highly doubt that Joseph Smith Jr. has been resurrected. He passed on the keys given to him while he was alive. He doesn't have a volume of scripture to protect and bring forth anymore. Not much reason for him to be resurrected prematurely. Furthermore, from what Joseph F. Smith tells us, Brother Joseph is extremely busy in the spirit world, attending to preparations for the Savior's return and the great missionary work on the other side of the veil. I mean, when you think about it, he's the only dispensation head in the spirit world at the moment, and ordinances for the dead are being implemented for the first time in history if I have my dispensation doctrine right. Frankly I don't think Joseph has the time to be resurrected right now. They need him more there. 

If he isn't then nobody else from our dispensation has been yet.  He will be the first.

[The Nehor]

21 hours ago, Calm said:

This assumes that all resurrections are of the exact same bodies that are buried, which probably isn't physically impossible since some parts of bodies after thorough decomposition and reabsorption into the food chain got consumed by other humans to make their bodies.

Even when the scriptures talk about graves being opened, good chance imo it was meant figuratively as in release from death.

Or to put it more awesomely: Parts of you came from a dinosaur. A lot of the really cool parts were forged in an exploding star. So I am a dinosaur forged from the fire of one of the largest explosions in the Universe. The kid in me can now die happy.

Edited October 31, 2019 by The Nehor

[The Nehor]

20 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

If he isn't then nobody else from our dispensation has been yet.  He will be the first.

Why?

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Why?

Same reason he was baptized first, ordained first, etc.  Heck, same reason we give the presiding authority the sacrament first.

And:

"If we ask who will stand at the head of the resurrection in this last dispensation, the answer is - Joseph Smith, Junior, the Prophet of God. He is the man who will be resurrected and receive the keys of the resurrection, and he will seal this authority upon others, and they will hunt up their friends and resurrect them when they shall have been officiated for, and bring them up."  Brigham Young

And

"Who will resurrect Joseph's Body? It will be Peter, James, John, Moroni, or someone who has or will receive the keys of the resurrection. It will probably be one of those who hold the keys of this dispensation and has delivered them to Joseph and you will see Jesus and he will eat peaches and apples with you.
Joseph has got to receive the keys of the resurrection for you and I. After he is resurrected he will go and resurrect Brother Brigham, Brother Heber, and Brother Carloss, and when that is done then He will say, "now go Brother Brigham and resurrect your wives and children and gather them together. While this is done, the wicked will know nothing of it, though they will be in our midst and they will be struck with fear. This is the way the resurrection will be. All will not be raised at once but will continue in this way until all the righteous are resurrected." Wilford Woodruff

Edited October 31, 2019 by JLHPROF

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Same reason he was baptized first, ordained first, etc.  Heck, same reason we give the presiding authority the sacrament first.

And:

"If we ask who will stand at the head of the resurrection in this last dispensation, the answer is - Joseph Smith, Junior, the Prophet of God. He is the man who will be resurrected and receive the keys of the resurrection, and he will seal this authority upon others, and they will hunt up their friends and resurrect them when they shall have been officiated for, and bring them up."  Brigham Young

And

"Who will resurrect Joseph's Body? It will be Peter, James, John, Moroni, or someone who has or will receive the keys of the resurrection. It will probably be one of those who hold the keys of this dispensation and has delivered them to Joseph and you will see Jesus and he will eat peaches and apples with you.
Joseph has got to receive the keys of the resurrection for you and I. After he is resurrected he will go and resurrect Brother Brigham, Brother Heber, and Brother Carloss, and when that is done then He will say, "now go Brother Brigham and resurrect your wives and children and gather them together. While this is done, the wicked will know nothing of it, though they will be in our midst and they will be struck with fear. This is the way the resurrection will be. All will not be raised at once but will continue in this way until all the righteous are resurrected." Wilford Woodruff

But he was not baptized first. He baptized Oliver first and then Oliver baptized him.

[Bernard Gui]

On 10/29/2019 at 7:54 PM, Calm said:

This assumes that all resurrections are of the exact same bodies that are buried, which probably isn't physically impossible since some parts of bodies after thorough decomposition and reabsorption into the food chain got consumed by other humans to make their bodies.

Even when the scriptures talk about graves being opened, good chance imo it was meant figuratively as in release from death.

And then there is this......

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3 Nephi 23:9 Verily I say unto you, I commanded my servant Samuel, the Lamanite, that he should testify unto this people, that at the day that the Father should glorify his name in me that there were many saints who should arise from the dead, and should appear unto many, and should minister unto them. And he said unto them: Was it not so?
10 And his disciples answered him and said: Yea, Lord, Samuel did prophesy according to thy words, and they were all fulfilled.
11 And Jesus said unto them: How be it that ye have not written this thing, that many saints did arise and appear unto many and did minister unto them?
12 And it came to pass that Nephi remembered that this thing had not been written.
13 And it came to pass that Jesus commanded that it should be written; therefore it was written according as he commanded.

....on two continents.

[Bernard Gui]

7 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Or to put it more awesomely: Parts of you came from a dinosaur. A lot of the really cool parts were forged in an exploding star. So I am a dinosaur forged from the fire of one of the largest explosions in the Universe. The kid in me can now die happy.

Meanwhile, there is this....

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Cowboy Reincarnation by Wallace McRae

"What does Reincarnation mean?"
A cowpoke asked his friend.
His pal replied, "It happens when
Yer life has reached its end.
They comb yer hair, and warsh yer neck,
And clean yer fingernails,
And lay you in a padded box
Away from life’s travails.

"The box and you goes in a hole,
That’s been dug into the ground.
Reincarnation starts in when
Yore planted ‘neath a mound.
Them clods melt down, just like yer box,
And you who is inside.
And then yore just beginnin’ on
Yer transformation ride.

"In a while, the grass’ll grow
Upon yer rendered mound.
Till some day on yer moldered grave
A lonely flower is found.
And say a hoss should wander by
And graze upon this flower
That once wuz you, but now’s become
Yer vegetative bower.

"The posy that the hoss done ate
Up, with his other feed,
Makes bone, and fat, and muscle
Essential to the steed,
But some is left that he can’t use
And so it passes through,
And finally lays upon the ground
This thing, that once wuz you.

"Then say, by chance, I wanders by
And sees this upon the ground,
And I ponders, and I wonders at,
This object that I found.
I thinks of reincarnation,
Of life and death, and such,
And come away concludin’: ‘Nehor,
You ain’t changed, all that much.’ “

 

Edited October 31, 2019 by Bernard Gui

[Bernard Gui]

On 10/22/2019 at 4:15 PM, Duncan said:

what about Sharon, VT? anything available? I wonder if the recent trip to New England of Pres. Ballard and Elder Christofferson they were "silent notes taking" of things?

Where will they house the Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra, Gladys Knight, Donny and Marie and the Osmond family, Nathan Pacheco, David Archuleta, and Jenny Oaks Baker?

[Tacenda]

Why would PR use this photo to go with the announcement in Church News... Pres. Oaks looks mad, and Pres. Eyring looks confused? I see Pres. Oaks like this, but not Pres. Eyring, he's always smiling, love the man. 

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2019-10-06/general-conference-october-2019-first-vision-joseph-smith-163457?fbclid=IwAR0neRj7HJ3Wtrvl2Na4I7G4Cmpuxj1EIYQo1SVkDKNWiFb1kTXk1GkY4y8

[MustardSeed]

1 minute ago, Tacenda said:

Why would PR use this photo to go with the announcement in Church News... Pres. Oaks looks mad, and Pres. Eyring looks confused? I see Pres. Oaks like this, but not Pres. Eyring, he's always smiling, love the man. 

https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2019-10-06/general-conference-october-2019-first-vision-joseph-smith-163457?fbclid=IwAR0neRj7HJ3Wtrvl2Na4I7G4Cmpuxj1EIYQo1SVkDKNWiFb1kTXk1GkY4y8

Bwaaaha! Whoops!  😜

[Scott Lloyd]

On 10/23/2019 at 10:33 PM, OGHoosier said:

I rarely laugh when reading this board.

I did now. 

Too bad you wasted a laugh on cornball humor.

[Scott Lloyd]

On 10/27/2019 at 7:47 AM, JLHPROF said:

Moses, Elias, Elijah, John the Baptist, Peter, James and John, Moroni.

So why not the prophet Joseph?  He presides over this last dispensation.  He would be the first resurrected for our day.

I don't see any reason to believe that regarding the Prophet Joseph Smith.

For one thing, his remains have been unearthed and moved by what was then known as the Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Edited November 6, 2019 by Scott Lloyd

[mfbukowski]

On 10/29/2019 at 7:54 PM, Calm said:

This assumes that all resurrections are of the exact same bodies that are buried, which probably isn't physically impossible since some parts of bodies after thorough decomposition and reabsorption into the food chain got consumed by other humans to make their bodies.

Even when the scriptures talk about graves being opened, good chance imo it was meant figuratively as in release from death.

Not to mention dead skin after bathing, a lifetime of cells dying and being replaced etc.

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