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  1. I personally go "hmmmmm" quite a lot, mostly because I enjoy humming to myself while I do things or walk from place to place. And, having observed this "perspective", I shall continue my strolling, humming, and enjoyment of life utterly unperturbed. This horse has been whipped down to the bone.
  2. I will promptly barrage the BYU Library with requests for these books.
  3. We are taught that we will be punished for our own sins, yes, but Christ's teaching also embraces our responsibility to help others around us follow the path. One can imagine that promoting and enabling addiction does not sit well with the Lord.
  4. Man this conversation just makes me want to eat some grapes.
  5. Not much of a doctrinal reason for the Church to be in Salt Lake, either. Yet here we are.
  6. I would say that the chair is green insomuch that I have an experience of green as I observe it, and the experience of green seems inseparable from the experience of observing the chair. So, it's true that we only have a description of the experience, but that experience might as well be the reality... ...is that what you've been maintaining this whole time?
  7. I request it. Honestly, I vacillate back and forth on the virtues of your style of philosophy as you have introduced it to me. I don't see much of a logical problem with it but something in me rebels at the idea of softening my death grip on the idea that truth resides in the world outside of us. A thousand reviewings of your siggy quote and I still struggle to see the light. I am yet young, and unacquainted with the nature of men and things, so I doubt my fonts of philosophical wisdom run particularly deep, so perhaps there is something yet for me to see in it.
  8. Fair enough, I'll take my lumps on that one. You seem decently well-informed when it comes to the thoughts and theories of Brant Gardner.
  9. I have never heard this speculation before in my life.
  10. Forgive me for asking, but what would a "good faith response" from @smac97 or anyone coming from his perspective look like to you? It appears that you have entirely discounted from the get-go approaches which you regard as proceeding from positions of right-wing authoritarianism, social dominance orientation, or colorblind racial ideology. Your description of them as "rhetorical prophylaxis for white power structures" is inherently delegitimizing - you're referring to the arguments (if not the employers of said arguments) as foot soldiers for a profound evil. It appears to me that someone has
  11. Pin the Post on the Ahab. I thought about writing up something substantive which might contribute to the discussion but I don't feel like it right now so it's Mormon Dialogue comedy time.
  12. I, too, have a few magnates. Unfortunately there isn't a lot of room on the front of my refrigerator so John D. Rockefeller and Cornelius Vanderbilt have gotten cramped and started fighting. Really kills the appetite.
  13. I was wondering if that particular piece prompted this discussion. FWIW, Bokovoy maintains in that piece that he maintains the position he did in Authoring the Old Testament, so even by his lights this issue is not fatal to faith. I would add that Bokovoy seems somewhat trigger-happy when it comes to assertions of consensus. There's a very broad consensus that the Pentateuch in its present form was not authored by Moses in his lifetime. There's a pretty solid, though certainly not universal, critical mass of scholars who think they can identify D and P. Other than that, I'm not sure it c
  14. This is an incomplete characterization of the Honor Code that represents it unfairly and implies a sinister motivation which isn't there. Motive in this case is not yours to attribute. The Honor Code is designed to cultivate an environment, both on campus and in the lives of the students, which is consistent with the teachings of Jesus Christ and conducive to the presence of the Spirit and the patterning of our lives according to His direction. That is the motivation, and I will not let it be re-narrated. We've talked enough about the "full range of human relationship" distinction
  15. Even the Rorty quote in your siggy presumes that our sentences, by which truth is constructed, are predicated on "causes which do not include human mental states", no?
  16. This is a clear implication of moral failing. How is this not an appeal to guilt?
  17. Fair enough, I'm a museum geek so I'd really want to see them but I'm also not so sure the events of mortal life will loom as large in my mind when I'm, you know, exalted and extremely busy fulfilling the measure of my creation. I don't think "the same sociality that exists among us here will exist among us there" means that our attitudes about everything will be the same in the light of heaven. Nonetheless, I'd like for it to be there, so here's hoping you're right. Keep on keeping on.
  18. Many philosophers and theologians have explored this question. Google the Euthyphro dilemma for more information. However, that's not quite what I'm saying. In my case, what I'm asking is, do morals need to be grounded in reality? If they're merely human constructs, why should we feel bound to follow them when it is inconvenient and we could get away with it? Do they need to be based on something real? If they are not based on something real, do we have any right to demand that others follow them? "Humans need a God to be moral" is a favored pinata for skeptics in my experience, be
  19. Not sure how to respond to this tbh so I'm just gonna play the straight man. I believe that heaven (the celestial, the place where God dwells, the eternal abode of the sanctified and exalted) is a real place with real buildings and people and stuff. But I also know that a ton of the Revelation is super figurative and so I don't consider John's seeing the ark in heaven as a slam-dunk demonstration that it is in heaven in material reality. It could be but I don't see any particular reason for it to be as I don't think God is super sentimental about material objects. The plates and the swor
  20. The believer could argue that we're not in any condition to know that because God obeys that law, so we have never observed a world where that law was not followed. For a discussion on the nature of Justice and Mercy as laws, I would recommend Samuel Morris Brown's excellent paper Why Mormons Aren't Materialists. Basically I don't see you as having any reason for your view besides a belief that justice and mercy are merely human concepts. If they are merely human concepts, why should we consider ourselves bound by them when they are inconvenient?
  21. The Ark of the Covenant was not in the Temple of Zerubbabel nor it's successor the Temple of Herod. This was actually one of the major points by which the Temple of Zerubbabel was considered inferior to the Solomonic temple. In the Temples of Zerubbabel and Herod the ark's place was taken by a simple stone, if I am not mistaken. Most likely the ark was carried away to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar and never made the return journey. John saw the Ark in heaven in Revelation 11:19 but whether that's the actual Ark or a symbolic representation is not known.
  22. Dr. Bukowski's perennial diagnosis I love it though.
  23. These are top-tier insights. Thank you. This is actually an interesting note. The conception of natural tendencies as "laws" owes itself to Roman Catholic scholastic philosophy which posited God as a ruling Creator and thus determined that nature was to be described using the vocabulary of law. Just another one of Christianity's many "stealth framings" of the modern conceptual landscape. In a very real sense, though, digging into the concept of "natural law" opens up something of a can of worms. In the materialistic, naturalistic worldview associated with contemporary skepticism
  24. Every now and then I get assigned to make sure the local multi-stake center is appropriately locked and the lights are all off on Sunday evening and am I ever grateful for those windows. The halls would be very dark and I'd be bouncing off the walls (quite literally) without them. Also there's the general deserted-church-building-with-no-lights vibe. I'm not ashamed to admit it gives me a minor case of the creeps.
  25. I am a young Mormon male. Unless you're an underclassman doing your undergrad right now, I've been in the shoes of a young man in this Church more recently than you, and the majority of my close associates are part of that group as well. I don't see what you're seeing, and I'm suggesting to you that your generalizations about "most young Mormon males" are not sufficiently accurate to declare that you are more enlightened in this regard than the rest of the Church and its leaders. You see, I'm not sold on the "natural antidepressant" view. I think human history militates against the id
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