provoman Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Enemies of the Church are staging misuse and abuse of Testimony Meetings. Yesterday apparently in Orem, enemies of the Church staged a misuse and abuse of testimony meeting. A few details of the premeditated misuse and abuse "video coming soon" and "the speaker today had a wireless mic on them to capture what was said after the mic was shut off" Edited October 15, 2018 by provoman
rongo Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) Because Conference was the 1st Sunday. When did you have Fast Sunday up in Canada? Edited October 15, 2018 by rongo
ksfisher Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, rongo said: Because Conference was the 1st Sunday. When did you have Fast Sunday up in Canada? We always have ours the Sunday before.
Gray Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Every place that runs open mike night runs the risk of having a bad set. Actually probably mostly bad sets. 2
Duncan Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 17 minutes ago, rongo said: Because Conference was the 1st Sunday. When did you have Fast Sunday up in Canada? the week before! 1
HappyJackWagon Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Duncan said: the week before! We also did ours the week before. 1
Durangout Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 37 minutes ago, provoman said: Enemies of the Church are staging misuse and abuse of Testimony Meetings. Yesterday apparently in Orem, enemies of the Church staged a misuse and abuse of testimony meeting. A few details of the premeditated misuse and abuse "video coming soon" and "the speaker today had a wireless mic on them to capture what was said after the mic was shut off" If true, how sad. Do you have a link for this or proof that it happened? How did you find out about it?
Avatar4321 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, Gray said: Every place that runs open mike night runs the risk of having a bad set. Actually probably mostly bad sets. Which makes the power of F&T meetings so much more amazing 1
Jeanne Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) IMO...I really think that this might be the next thing to go. If it is as many wards as I have belonged..it is the same people...same story every time. I have often thought because our youth fireside testimonies were so great...that just once in a while...a fireside for adults to share their testimonies...maybe in the evenings whem babies and children can be at home. Same with primary..of course FHE or family time the family shares together. But it is a long hour when in comest to testimony meetings in the afternoon and on fast Sundays. Edited October 15, 2018 by Jeanne
Gray Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Which makes the power of F&T meetings so much more amazing YMMV 1
mnn727 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 You know a few of the most powerful Church meetings I have been to were F&T meetings, Unfortunately I can count them on the fingers of one hand. Most of the time, its the same people saying pretty much the same stuff and all using pretty much the same language.
Prof Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 41 minutes ago, ksfisher said: We always have ours the Sunday before. My ward did the same. F/T meeting was Sept 30 for us as well!
Popular Post Garden Girl Posted October 15, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 15, 2018 F&T meeting is my favorite Sunday (We always do ours the Sunday before GC). We have one brother that gets up every F&T. The bishop put a stop to parents bringing their children up and whispering in their ear, thank goodness... and, at the beginning, people... including visitors... are welcomed to come up and bear their Christ-centered testimonies. Except for an occasional clod, this put an end to the travelmonies, etc. Therefore, our F&T meetings are almost always very uplifting... GG 6
hope_for_things Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 hours ago, provoman said: Enemies of the Church are staging misuse and abuse of Testimony Meetings. Yesterday apparently in Orem, enemies of the Church staged a misuse and abuse of testimony meeting. A few details of the premeditated misuse and abuse "video coming soon" and "the speaker today had a wireless mic on them to capture what was said after the mic was shut off" I've never heard a subversive testimony by "enemies of the church", but I can't even start to count the number of far out doctrinal testimonies I've been privy too throughout my life. All kinds of obscure and uncorrelated ideas being espoused in the strangest of ways. In some ways I would be quite sad to see the testimony meeting go away entirely. 1
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted October 15, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Garden Girl said: F&T meeting is my favorite Sunday ... our F&T meetings are almost always very uplifting... They're my favourite Sundays as well -- powerful, Spirit-filled, uplifting, often transformative. If possible, I always prefer taking a non-member friend to a testimony meeting for her/his first Sunday. As a missionary, I had more than one non-member commit to the lessons after experiencing a simple testimony meeting. I remember one of them saying to us afterward that he'd heard more firsthand, personal conviction in that one service that he'd heard over the entire course of his life in the church of his birth. We currently have a non-member who attends our ward most Sundays in addition to the worship service of the church to which he belongs. He has said repeatedly that fast Sunday is his favourite Sunday for the same reason. For those of you who claim your meetings are anything less, you're doing something seriously wrong. As far as sworn enemies of Church shutting down our testimony meetings, we've been through far worse in the past. A couple of self-important saboteurs in a sacrament meeting does not yet = howling mobs with firearms. We may get there someday, but the Saints don't have a history of letting our adversaries silence either us or our testimonies. 6
ALarson Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, provoman said: Enemies of the Church are staging misuse and abuse of Testimony Meetings. Yesterday apparently in Orem, enemies of the Church staged a misuse and abuse of testimony meeting. A few details of the premeditated misuse and abuse "video coming soon" and "the speaker today had a wireless mic on them to capture what was said after the mic was shut off" So, I'm reading that this was a man who was (allegedly) sexually abused. Is that correct? Edited October 15, 2018 by ALarson
Avatar4321 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: They're my favourite Sundays as well -- powerful, Spirit-filled, uplifting, often transformative. If possible, I always prefer taking a non-member friend to a testimony meeting for her/his first Sunday. As a missionary, I had more than one non-member commit to the lessons after experiencing a simple testimony meeting. I remember one of them saying to us afterward that he'd heard more firsthand, personal conviction in that one service that he'd heard over the entire course of his life in the church of his birth. We currently have a non-member who attends our ward most Sundays in addition to the worship service of the church to which he belongs. He has said repeatedly that fast Sunday is his favourite Sunday for the same reason. For those of you who claim your meetings are anything less, you're doing something seriously wrong. As far as sworn enemies of Church shutting down our testimony meetings, we've been through far worse in the past. A couple of self-important saboteurs in a sacrament meeting does not yet = howling mobs with firearms. We may get there someday, but the Saints don't have a history of letting our adversaries silence either us or our testimonies. I've always enjoyed F&T meetings but since the Solemn Assembly in April the Spirit in those meetings has been amazing 3
Hamba Tuhan Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 23 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: I've always enjoyed F&T meetings but since the Solemn Assembly in April the Spirit in those meetings has been amazing As members choose to be fully engaged in the work, their lives are filled with experiences that bring joy and build faith. Then it is hard to stop them sharing their simple testimonies whenever the opportunity presents itself. In my ward, I’m really worried how we’ll deal with a 60-minute meeting. We have people queued up most months as it is. 3
Popular Post cinepro Posted October 16, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Statistically speaking, having two such disruptions (three if we count Savannah) is hardly a cause for concern. For all the complaining some people do about Fast and Testimony meetings, it is something that, I think, adds to the sense of community in an LDS ward. If we got rid of them, the Church would be the lesser for it. While I haven't read the book yet, Sen. Ben Sasse has recently written about the epidemic of loneliness that is happening across the nation. Here's one article that discusses it: We have an epidemic of loneliness. How can we fix it? Quote Loneliness in “epidemic proportions” is producing a “loneliness literature” of sociological and medical findings about the effect of loneliness on individuals’ brains and bodies, and on communities. Sasse (R-Neb.) says “there is a growing consensus” that loneliness — not obesity, cancer or heart disease — is the nation’s “number one health crisis.” “Persistent loneliness” reduces average longevity more than twice as much as does heavy drinking and more than three times as much as obesity, which often is a consequence of loneliness. Research demonstrates that loneliness is as physically dangerous as smoking 15 cigarettes a day and contributes to cognitive decline, including more rapid advance of Alzheimer’s disease. Sasse says, “We’re literally dying of despair,” of the failure “to fill the hole millions of Americans feel in their lives.” Since reading that article, I've been thinking about "loneliness", and if the Church can help out in that regard. To this point, do Fast and Testimony meetings help us feel less "lonely"? I think they do. Edited October 16, 2018 by cinepro 14
Popular Post Scott Lloyd Posted October 16, 2018 Popular Post Posted October 16, 2018 I believe that if the abuse of the meeting becomes intolerable, there are measures that could be taken short of ending fast and testimony meeting outright. We could go to a by-invitation-only arrangement, with a member of the bishopric inviting individuals to come to the pulpit to express themselves. Those wishing to bear testimony could make their desires known beforehand by signing a list subject to approval by the bishop. 5
ksfisher Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, cinepro said: Since reading that article, I've been thinking about "loneliness", and if the Church can't help out in that regard. To this point, do Fast and Testimony meetings help us feel less "lonely"? I think they do. I think that some of the people who get up and tell us more about their lives than perhaps we wish to know and don't really bear testimony, that this may be the only time that people really listen to them. If that helps them out I don't mind listening. 3
Tacenda Posted October 16, 2018 Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, ksfisher said: I think that some of the people who get up and tell us more about their lives than perhaps we wish to know and don't really bear testimony, that this may be the only time that people really listen to them. If that helps them out I don't mind listening. I was just thinking this when I read your comment, I think I do like personal stories better than testifying the same words over and over again without much info, but then again, maybe that would be nice too as long as it was genuine. I like the personal stories that combine with possibly how the Saviour helps them, or guides others to help them perhaps. Or what people do to overcome their trials. I remember my in-active sister that came to my youngest's blessing, and it was F&T Mtg, I turned to look at her behind me and tears were flowing during my bishop's testimony. He had talked about a really difficult trial he had had in life. And I was wondering why she was so touched, but I never asked. The one testimony I lost my patience with was a woman that took the whole time up preaching to us, and a "look at me" kind of testimony. Or I took it that way. Maybe it wasn't that bad, but she went on & on probably a good 15 minutes, I think.
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