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Everything posted by ALarson

  1. I can't imagine anyone would loose their testimony over this issue and I do hope that people will not judge each other no matter what personal decision they make for themselves. So far, our Stake President is giving everyone a choice regarding the masks. We are to be respectful and social distance. His emphasis is that we absolutely do not judge others or have any contention or problems because of choices we each have to make. I'm a big advocate of having the right to choose and don't want to see anything forced on anyone here. So far, I've seen members handling this very well too
  2. For what??? And I agree with bluebell.
  3. Same for me. I thought the site was down.
  4. This announcement was expected. It's too bad, but wise to do this!
  5. It was just myself and my wife and we dressed in nice casual. I'm fine if others want to dress in the church attire as I believe that's a personal matter and choice. I honestly believe though that it's the respect and reverence you have in your heart and mind rather than what you are wearing that is important.
  6. Thanks for your heartfelt post, Regor. I can tell you're in pain and that you are worried about your kids. I'm sorry you're struggling with this. My view is that you most definitely did not waste years raising your children in a manner you felt was best for them. It sounds like you were a very loving and caring Father. I'm sure they have so many great qualities because of the experiences they were able to have with you by their side and they learned from your example. Don't ever think that was a waste just because they've chosen a different path as an adult than you have chosen.
  7. As I posted on the other thread in response to you, this is an excellent and very accurate analysis, IMO. Thanks for posting it!
  8. And another article from the Trib (I'm posting the entire articles for those who can't access them): https://www.sltrib.com/news/education/2020/03/04/after-byu-honor-code/
  9. Here's from the Trib today: https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/03/05/robert-gehrke-byu-hurt/
  10. This is the best, and most reasoned analysis of what took place that I've seen posted. I agree with every word and it helps make sense of why it took 2 weeks for it to play out and eventually get an clarification from the leaders. Church leaders are never shy about stepping in immediately and stopping something, but I do believe they were not prepared for what took place and it took them some time to figure out exactly how to deal with the situation. I agree that the answers from the Honor Code Office were all the same and very similar (the ones I've read and heard) and not all from the sam
  11. Yeah....this is a mess and was handled so poorly. I just got off the phone with my Bishop and he plans to call the honor code office again tomorrow....he's on the road right now. But they need to get their act together and if the answer he got this morning is different from the one he gets tomorrow, that will be interesting. They've had weeks to get clarification. We both agreed that we will support whatever the leaders desire regarding this, but I hope they've learned from this confusing (and potentially very damaging to the image of the church) fiasco. (Just my opinion....)
  12. I posted this on the other thread, but wanted to do so here too....thanks for posting the letter Scott!! (This was in response to Peppermint Patty's post: http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/72653-byu-honor-code-matches-new-handbook/?do=findComment&comment=1209959208 )
  13. Interesting.....I just now came on to post that I spoke to my Bishop a few minutes ago regarding that he'd called the Honor Code Office this morning with similar questions. He received the same answers you did. That same-sex students can now show open displays of affection including holding hands, hugging and kissing. They will also be allowed to date and not be in violation of the Honor Code. So, unless that changes (and in keeping with the letter posted now), it appears these behaviors are not prohibited as long as they do not lead to SSM or with that intent. I still find that a
  14. He did at least sort of address the recent Honor Code change, but this was a chance to clarify and he chose not to (which is fine....just an observation). Here's what the SLT states: If you read the comments (on the Trib and the Deseret News article) many are still left confused and wanting to hear a clarification. Hopefully one is still coming, but we will just have to wait and see.
  15. There have very definitely been changes regarding beliefs and teachings (from our leaders) on this issue. I highly doubt anyone will disagree with that (if they are familiar with the past beliefs and teachings). These have progressed and evolved a lot already and will continue to do so in the future, IMO.
  16. Maybe use the same words that the BYU Honor Code used (Homosexual Behavior) rather than "homosexual activity"? Here's the section that was removed: Smac (and maybe others including the honor code section above) have used "homosexual relations" or "same-sex relations" to mean sexual intercourse.
  17. That's why we need clarification. What we do know is that the section titled "Homosexual Behavior" was removed from the list of behaviors or actions that are prohibited at BYU. But, that behavior is still described as being a "serious sin" in the FTSOY. Those seems to be in conflict especially when you see what is openly taking place on campus now between same-sex couples. (I'm off of here now....have a great evening!!)
  18. I still see that this could cause problems (see my post to Scott above). If one youth is refused an endorsement from their Bishop because of behavior that is no longer prohibited by the Honor Code (and openly allowed on campus), they could claim discrimination. Especially if other Bishops are endorsing youths who are dating and gay (because they believe it's not against the Honor Code now).
  19. I think it could cause problems if they are not all in agreement. What if one Bishop is giving endorsements according to the Honor Code and another one is giving endorsements using the FYSOY? What if one Bishop refuses to give a youth an endorsement because of homosexual behavior and then that youth visits the campus and sees this is no longer prohibited? Or one youth who is gay gets an endorsement but their same-sex dating partner is refused one because they are dating? The leaders would be setting themselves up for discrimination accusations.
  20. Well, I feel it's really confusing when the Honor Code specifically removes the section describing behavior that was previously prohibited (Homosexual Behavior), but this same behavior is still described as being a "serious sin" in the FTSOY ("Homosexual and lesbian behavior is a serious sin"). Combine that with what we've seen take place on campus (what is described as homosexual behavior) since this change, with no clarification yet from our leaders and it's even more conflicting. I know what we have heard is hearsay (from the honor code officers and the professor), but those statem
  21. I'm not sure what you mean. Where is that stated in the Honor Code?
  22. I can't answer that question. But not making them consistent (or in agreement) is only adding to the confusion here, IMO. One thing it seems we do all agree on is that we would like to hear a clarification from the leaders.
  23. The behavior changes reported are not all anecdotal. From the SLT about the Rainbow Celebration on BYU campus last week: If these students have misinterpreted what the removal of the section "Homosexual Behavior" from the Honor Code means, I do feel there needs to be a clarification or correction. If nothing is said or done, they will continue to believe same-sex dating and shows of affection on campus are now allowed.
  24. Maybe just this part will be removed if the leaders want to keep things consistent regarding the removal of the prohibition of "Homosexual Behavior" in the honor code (and the wording in the handbook): That will be interesting to watch for regarding any newer versions that are published.
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