Caffeinated soda

[Dario_M]

My father also have diabetes. 

 

[Rain]

33 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

Oh dear. Do you have diabetes? 

Yes. Type 1 for 46 years.

[Dario_M]

1 minute ago, Rain said:

Yes. Type 1 for 46 years.

Oh really. How horible. 🩵

[SeekingUnderstanding]

1 hour ago, bluebell said:

Better with or without the alcohol? 😂

Without. For sure. 

[Dario_M]

Allthough i'm a member of the LDS community i do drink alcohol so now and then. But not aften. Only when i'm with my bf and his family. Mostly beer. 

[SkyRock]

I drink way too much caffeine.   

I remember being told we couldn't drink it as a little kid in the 70s.  By the 80s I found Dr. Pepper and fell in love. 

I went to Brazil and my mission in the late 80s and the mission president told us to hydrate with Coke, since it was safer than the water. 

[GoCeltics]

12 hours ago, Buckeye said:

I vividly recall declining the drink as against the WoW, only to have a strong impression enter my mind - among the strongest I’ve ever had - reprimanding me that I was applying my own standard, not the lords, and was causing offense to the “least of these.”  So I drank on command of the spirit - somewhat like Peter’s account of eating with the gentiles. 

We are even allowed to eat food offered to idols as long as it doesn't offend the conscience of a believer in our presence (1 Corinthians 8:1-8).

[Dario_M]

9 minutes ago, SkyRock said:

I drink way too much caffeine.   

I remember being told we couldn't drink it as a little kid in the 70s.  By the 80s I found Dr. Pepper and fell in love. 

I went to Brazil and my mission in the late 80s and the mission president told us to hydrate with Coke, since it was safer than the water. 

I would never set one foot in Brazil to be honest. Brazil can be kinda dangerous from what i've heard. I have some family that life there. In Sao Paulo. 

[Raingirl]

16 hours ago, california boy said:

I am not surprised.  The Church has demonized coffee for decades.  It is difficult to all the sudden realize that it can have health benefits.  

I remember visiting my grandfather when I was young.  He used to drink decaffeinated Sanka in the mornings with his breakfast.  I was sure he would never make it to the Celestial Kingdom.  I look back on that now and realize how utterly ridiculous that idea was, as if nothing else he ever did in his life mattered.  

I’ve seen that attitude in the church.  I was assured, by more than one person, that if I chose to consume coffee per the specialist’s instructions, that I was doomed.  

[california boy]

14 hours ago, Calm said:

But the young women from the description seemed to acknowledge that this was a guilty pleasure if I interpreted the commentary correctly rather than promoting it as healthy.

It is kinda a it's a guilty pleasure, but at least it is not coffee kind of rational.  

[california boy]

14 hours ago, Calm said:

Not exactly an academic source, but .i am burning out and this will be it for now…

I may dive again tomorrow…I am finding this interesting.

https://www.newsmile4u.com/cafe-con-cavities-study-reveals-how-much-sugar-we-add-to-coffee-tea/

A 12 oz can of soda according to Alexa has 35 grams of sugar at 190 calories, so coffee wins the sugar race.

I did see younger coffee drinkers go more for the more flavoured drinks.  I may try to find what the trend is for sugar in coffee.

https://medium.com/@josefinamongenunezde/iced-coffee-a-look-into-gen-zs-addiction-c8a3eeb57a3b

This is not scientific at all, but it conveys my concerns about portraying coffee as a healthy alternative to soda:

 

The take away for me is that a much better health commandment should have been to use sugar in moderation rather than abstain from coffee and tea.

Personally for me, when I decided to try coffee, I made a conscious decision to not add anything to mask the flavor.  I was either going to like coffee without any sugar or cream, or I wasn't going to drink it.  I liked it enough to drink it occasionally, but not on a regular basis.  Maybe it was my Mormon background that had me looking at that decision from a very objective point of view.  I also prefer ice coffee.  I am just not that interested in hot beverages in general, which is probably also related to not drinking hot drinks on a regular basis growing up.

[Raingirl]

16 minutes ago, california boy said:

The take away for me is that a much better health commandment should have been to use sugar in moderation rather than abstain from coffee and tea.

Personally for me, when I decided to try coffee, I made a conscious decision to not add anything to mask the flavor.  I was either going to like coffee without any sugar or cream, or I wasn't going to drink it.  I liked it enough to drink it occasionally, but not on a regular basis.  Maybe it was my Mormon background that had me looking at that decision from a very objective point of view.  I also prefer ice coffee.  I am just not that interested in hot beverages in general, which is probably also related to not drinking hot drinks on a regular basis growing up.

I get a daily newsletter on health and fitness   It regularly dives into reviewing various health claims and studies.   It has become clear that coffee has a number of legitimate health benefits.  More so than negative properties.  I don’t think coffee - or caffeine - is inherently evil.  As with anything, you just need to consume wisely. 

[Dario_M]

I don't drink coffee because i don't like the flavor. I rather then like to drink energy drink. Wich i drink when i'm really tired but don't wanna sleep on the day time. 

Edited September 20, 2024 by Dario_M

[MustardSeed]

2 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

Without. For sure. 

Oh I misunderstood- 

[JAHS]

On 9/18/2024 at 3:14 PM, MustardSeed said:

When and why (specifically) did it become taboo for members to drink caffeinated soda? 
I think the story I have told myself must be incorrect because I can’t find any evidence. I do specifically remember when I was six, which would’ve been 1973 or 74, my mom and dad sent me down as an only child at the time, and very seriously explained that we would no longer be drinking Coke because the prophet said it was bad for us.  From then on it was known in my family is “the devil’s drink” because that’s what I called it and it became sort of a joke. 
It was a really big deal to me because we were a family that drank a lot of cola. My grandfather worked for PepsiCo. 
 

Now, because I can’t find any information on any general conference talk or what have you, I’m wondering if maybe my parents were just trying to instill the idea of how important it is to follow the words of a prophet and they made it sound like a huge new revelation.  
 

So many people in my algorithms are discussing the fact that “Mormons can’t drink soda” and I haven’t provide a decent explanation as to why this is what the belief is even though it’s inaccurate. 
Any insights would be appreciated!

Sort of a funny but sad story. A friend of mine was having a temple recommend interview with a member of the stake presidency and when he asked her if she follows the word of wisdom, she said yes except for her coke habit. She meant the drink but he thought she meant cocaine and would not sign her recommend and told her she had to quit before she could get the recommend. He told her Bishop about it which caused a problem for her but eventually the misunderstanding got corrected.

[SeekingUnderstanding]

52 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Oh I misunderstood- 

I can see the ambiguity. Sorry!

[The Nehor]

On 9/19/2024 at 12:47 PM, the narrator said:

Then how do you explain this quote from Brigham Young:

Oh wait nm.

Brigham Young was complaining about waste because he is a curmudgeon who saw nice and pretty and tasty things as frivolous. In that sermon he also complains about how sewing machines are too expensive and how people will face justice for not putting all their time and wealth directly to the most important things at all times. If you agree with him you definitely should never waste your time here with this frivolity.

[The Nehor]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

It’s a misquote or misinterpretation anyway iirc.  

Yep, the most common better translation I have seen is along the lines of “from every form of evil abstain”. It has nothing to do with making sure that no one else might conceivably think you are doing something evil.

[the narrator]

51 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Brigham Young was complaining about waste because he is a curmudgeon who saw nice and pretty and tasty things as frivolous. In that sermon he also complains about how sewing machines are too expensive and how people will face justice for not putting all their time and wealth directly to the most important things at all times. If you agree with him you definitely should never waste your time here with this frivolity.

Oh I'm fully aware of what Brigham was doing. I was just sharing the quote since he directly calls beer a mild drink.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, the narrator said:

Oh I'm fully aware of what Brigham was doing. I was just sharing the quote since he directly calls beer a mild drink.

Yeah, the Word of Wisdom is very very weird.

[Peacefully]

16 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Yeah, the Word of Wisdom is very very weird.

Agree, lol. We had a young woman (married, not a teenager) speak in sacrament and she mentioned how happy she was that the WOW didn’t prohibit energy drinks. 
 

Note: I think energy drinks have been strongly discouraged, but it is difficult to expand the WOW to cover other drinks because they were not revealed to Joseph as forbidden (even though they didn’t exist but that could open another can of worms of why didn’t God let Joseph know about what was coming down the pike or leave some leeway for such.)

2nd Note: I don’t know why coffee and tea were singled out and I don’t see any problem with drinking them except that it is an obedience issue. If the WOW were rescinded tomorrow I would be lined up at Starbucks for a pumpkin spiced latte, then I would make a batch of sweet tea. The alcohol I could take or leave. Also if I stepped away from the church and wasn’t under covenant to follow the WOW I would do the same but it would be because I was going back to my roots and also because I don’t believe there is anything inherently wrong in any of the “forbidden” drinks, not because I went to the dark side:) 

Edited September 21, 2024 by Peacefully

[bluebell]

11 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Agree, lol. We had a young woman (married, not a teenager) speak in sacrament and she mentioned how happy she was that the WOW didn’t prohibit energy drinks. 
 

Note: I think energy drinks have been strongly discouraged, but it is difficult to expand the WOW to cover other drinks because they were not revealed to Joseph as forbidden (even though they didn’t exist but that could open another can of worms of why didn’t God let Joseph know about what was coming down the pike or leave some leeway for such.)

2nd Note: I don’t know why coffee and tea were singled out and I don’t see any problem with drinking them except that it is an obedience issue. If the WOW were rescinded tomorrow I would be lined up at Starbucks for a pumpkin spiced latte, then I would make a batch of sweet tea. The alcohol I could take or leave. Also if I stepped away from the church and wasn’t under covenant to follow the WOW I would do the same but it would be because I was going back to my roots and also because I don’t believe there is anything inherently wrong in any of the “forbidden” drinks, not because I went to the dark side:) 

I think tea must be an acquired taste.  I didn't grow up in the church but we never drank any kind of tea at my house.  My best friend's house loved their tea though, especially sweet tea.  I tried to drink it a couple of times but couldn't get it down and couldn't figure out how they could.  

[MustardSeed]

29 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

would be lined up at Starbucks for a pumpkin spiced latte,

Pumpkin spice steamers are very enjoyable, as are apple spice steamers (I like to add a little Stevia) 

 

2 minutes ago, bluebell said:

tea must be an acquired taste

Right?  Occasionally, I will enjoy a peppermint, but I have to put two envelopes in.
I will say that I do enjoy a good Throat Coat. Lots of flavor. Again, two envelopes. Everything else tastes like watery barnyard  to me.😅

[JAHS]

On 9/18/2024 at 3:14 PM, MustardSeed said:

When and why (specifically) did it become taboo for members to drink caffeinated soda? 
I think the story I have told myself must be incorrect because I can’t find any evidence. I do specifically remember when I was six, which would’ve been 1973 or 74, my mom and dad sent me down as an only child at the time, and very seriously explained that we would no longer be drinking Coke because the prophet said it was bad for us.  From then on it was known in my family is “the devil’s drink” because that’s what I called it and it became sort of a joke. 
It was a really big deal to me because we were a family that drank a lot of cola. My grandfather worked for PepsiCo. 
 

Now, because I can’t find any information on any general conference talk or what have you, I’m wondering if maybe my parents were just trying to instill the idea of how important it is to follow the words of a prophet and they made it sound like a huge new revelation.  
 

So many people in my algorithms are discussing the fact that “Mormons can’t drink soda” and I haven’t provide a decent explanation as to why this is what the belief is even though it’s inaccurate. 
Any insights would be appreciated!

Here's an interesting article that talks about the effects of caffeinated drinks, especially energy drinks.

The Energy Drink Epidemic

[Dario_M]

14 minutes ago, JAHS said:

Here's an interesting article that talks about the effects of caffeinated drinks, especially energy drinks.

The Energy Drink Epidemic

I always find those messages a bit nonsens. I drink energy drinks all the time and i feel great after that. Drinking energy drink can not be more worse then drinking coffee i feel like.