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  1. IRRC, Oaks was never a bishop or stake president, nor was he a mission or temple president. Several decades ago J. Reuben Clark was called straight to the first presidency without ever having served as any ecclesiastical leader, and I may be (or probably am) wrong, but I think Reuben may not have even been endowed at the time. So there are definitely alternate routes to the First Presidency.
  2. It's simply because Twitter banned Trump for inciting an insurrection.
  3. I agree that these Republicans are unreasonable.
  4. Augustine thought the same thing about masturbating.
  5. Back when The Simpsons was watchable.
  6. Why if God provides full opportunity to do so to all as well as a full opportunity to accept the Gospel? Because the universe actually being such is just too ridiculous for me to accept.
  7. But in the infinitely loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong timeline, even that is demanding that someone be permanently and infinitely held back for what they did during an infinitely short period of their life. Seems the better and more gracious solution is to go side with the various Mormon leaders and thinkers who have advocated for progression through kingdoms.
  8. And on top of that I should add that most horrifying and nightmarish of all is waking up after dying and discovering that personal existence is everlasting. I get the desire to not want to cease being, and ever more the desire to be reacquainted with those who have died, but the byproduct of being around for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000..... + years is too much for me.
  9. I should add that I also find the idea that the universe is structured in such a way (such as actually requiring baptism by immersion) also nightmare inducing.
  10. I don't think we know enough about pre-earth life, earth life, or post-earth life to make statements about much anything,
  11. Since the early decades of Mormonism the question of whether or not persons could progress from kingdom to kingdom has been debated, and I'm guessing one reason for this is that many can see that damning a person to a lesser kingdom for trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions upon trillions.... of years for decisions they made in a relatively extremely small 9-100 years of their life is quite awful--especially when the decisions we make in our life are mostly determined by our upbringing, genetics, and environment. Edit: Correction. It's more than "quite awful." It's absolutely awful, and a god who would do such a thing is a monster who should be rejected. One of my greatest fears is dying and discovering that such a deity is real.
  12. Yes, skepticism of hot drinks was contemporaneous to JS, but it is important to note that this was about medicinal us, not mere consumption. Also, hot drinks would have included hot chocolate as well, but this was likely not mentioned in Hyrum's definition of hot drinks due to it being a somewhat rare and luxurious commodity that would have been far out of the hands of most Saints. The other prohibitions in this section of the WofW are all concerning medicinal use as well. This is why the focus of their use on the body and belly are mentioned. Strong drink: okay for topical use (body) but not for medicinal consumption (body). Hot drinks: not for topical use (body); not for medicinal consumption (belly) [this follows the still common prescription of either immersing part of the body in very hot or very cold liquids, or consuming very hot beverages, as a cure, which was part of the dying humor theory of medicine]. Tobacco: not for topical human use, but okay for topical animal use; not for medicinal consumption (swallowing tobacco was sometimes prescribed then for purging) [very important to note that the WofW says *nothing* about smoking or chewing tobacco].
  13. Joking aside--well, not really joking because the contradiction here is quite funny--David R. Holland (of Harvard Divinity and son of Apostle Jeff Holland) has an excellent article on the topic. His " The Triangle and the Sovereign: Logics, Histories, and an Open Canon" can be read here.
  14. The answer is simple: Joseph Fielding Smith: "It makes no difference what is written or what anyone has said, if what has been said is in conflict with what the Lord has revealed, we can set it aside. My words, and the teachings of any other member of the Church, high or low, if they do not square with the revelations, we need not accept them. Let us have this matter clear. We have accepted the four standard works as the measuring yardsticks, or balances, by which we measure every man’s doctrine." Ezra Taft Benson: "Beware of those who would pit the dead prophets against the living prophets, for the living prophets always take precedence." Hope that settles things.
  15. I would rephrase this to say: "One would have to be a classically omnipotent God to create it." It makes zero sense to talk of approaching, encountering, or accessing a morality that exists outside of oneself.
  16. I just find it funny that the URL is packed with little satanic victories for search engine optimization
  17. Sounds like some natural law dude who also likes making strawmen out of imaginary relativists. A big problem with Mormon straw man aversion to moral relativism is that they don't even understand the absolute morality they claim to believe in nor the implication such entails. This is abundantly clear in my college ethics classes that I teach. Absolute morality in theism is primarily rooted in either natural law or divine command theory. These both make general sense in traditional Christianity, where morality can be absolute because ALL things are created by God and nothing exists outside of him. In natural law, such morality exists because God essentially imbued all of creation with a certain sense of morality (for Augustine, this is our will and his solution to the foreknowlege/freewill debate, as God is able to know what we will choose because he is the source of the will that makes such choices). For divine command theory, such morality exists because the all-powerful God decrees it as such. Both of these are untenable in Mormon theology (at least as generally understood), because God is not an absolutely all-powerful deity. Rather than producing all existence (including morality) out of nothing, God exists in a world where morality supposedly already "exists." What does that even mean? Sure, some Mormon thinkers (like Ralph Hancock) may appeal to natural law and argue that an absolute morality is somehow some metaphysical reality ingrained into the threads of reality, but my own Wittgensteinian perspective on that just finds it silly. There isn't some morality just existing out there outside of human societies and minds; rather morality is a construct that persons within social groups (believers could very easily include God into such a group) develop to maintain, grow, potect, etc those social groups. (Basically Thomas Hobbes's line of thought.) Even if some absolute morality somehow existed out there (which is nonsense anyways), humans cannot directly access (or cannot directly access a deity that has direct access to it), and so any attempt to point to it is simply some social group deciding that their particular moral construct is better than others. (I argue that philosophical moral theories like Kant categorical imperative or whatever iteration of utilitarianism are doing the same. They aren't locating a universal morality; rather, they are just presenting one, and subscribers are simply choosing one moral outlook over an other.) Ultimately, everyone is a moral relativist, because everyone is picking and choosing which moral theory they think is best. And everyone is in a sense a moral absolutist, because they are going to pick the moral theory that they think everyone ought to subscribe to. (I have yet to encounter a single person who "declare themselves relativists ... only to discover that they actually weren't when, for example, a housemate stole their shoes, moved out without paying her share of the bills, etc" and will very quickly say that those persons simply don't exist--or are such cherry-picked idiots on street that they cannot be used to make any general claims. [Same goes for political shows that interview random people to show how those with opposing ideologies are idiots.]) TLDR: When people complain about moral relativism, what they are really complaining about is that someone else is not accepting their claims of absolute morality. EDIT: Also, I would bet a dollar that the context of current LDS fears of moral relativism is all about how much of society is rejecting conservative moral claims about homosexuality and gender.
  18. That you would offer up a comment from someone in the general board as some kind of point of argument that the actual members of the presidency were wrong about their own feelings on the matter.
  19. Following Nelson's request that we all forgive someone before Easter, I am choosing to forgive you for this silly response.
  20. Yes, I was at that conference (and helped with its organization.) I also heard Clyde expand on that further following the panel.
  21. Just because this is another thing you are ignorant of doesn't make it a conspiracy theory. I heard it from Aileen Clyde.
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