SteveO Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 26 minutes ago, The Nehor said: Probably but some want to take their modern idols into the afterlife and continue to worship them there. The irony is if the cultists whose principles these people are supporting take power it is probably a coin flip whether they kill off members of the Church or Catholics first. This is not fair. They will kill the LGBTQ crowd first.
Calm Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 21 minutes ago, the narrator said: Because the universe actually being such is just too ridiculous for me to accept. I think there is enough oddness out there I shouldn’t make assumptions.
Robert F. Smith Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, the narrator said: I should add that I also find the idea that the universe is structured in such a way (such as actually requiring baptism by immersion) also nightmare inducing. The symbology of the rituals may very much be open to an infinite variety of forms, and I came to understand that many years ago while reading de Santillan & von Dechend's Hamlet's Mill. We need to recall that, even when we systematically remove key elements from an infinite set, the remaining set is still infinite. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 2 hours ago, The Nehor said: They are ethnonationalists dedicated to killing or expelling the “lesser races” and installing an authoritarian government to maintain their pure society? Ummmm…….nope. The idea that Antifa is a cult is also ridiculous. There is no leader. No organization. It is a title taken up by individuals and small groups who don’t interact with each other. It is mostly a bogeyman to scare the poor oppressed white people into voting in autocrats to stop these terrorists who have killed, to my knowledge, one person. He was killed shortly afterwards and we got to watch the debasing spectacle of a sitting US President gloating over the death. You can find numbers higher than one easily if you just start indiscriminately labeling people as Antifa but that would be dishonest. You may redefine the anarchic Black Block however you wish, but I put far more stock in the close reportage of those who have seen them up close (embedded with them), and have been repeatedly assaulted by them. Like the Nazi Brownshirts, they thrive on chaos and destruction. It is a deeply racist mob, yelling epithets at minorities with reckless abandon. They vent their visceral anger the same way many gamers do, but exulting in the actual destruction of opponents. They primarily operate with impunity within cities run by woke Leftists who have no concern for public safety -- with police departments and prosecutors who are ordered to stand down. Their actions actually guarantee success at the polls by their extremist opponents. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, the narrator said: And on top of that I should add that most horrifying and nightmarish of all is waking up after dying and discovering that personal existence is everlasting. I get the desire to not want to cease being, and ever more the desire to be reacquainted with those who have died, but the byproduct of being around for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000..... + years is too much for me. "Here's Johnny !!" 1
CV75 Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, the narrator said: And on top of that I should add that most horrifying and nightmarish of all is waking up after dying and discovering that personal existence is everlasting. I get the desire to not want to cease being, and ever more the desire to be reacquainted with those who have died, but the byproduct of being around for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000..... + years is too much for me. All you have to do is change your mind every so often and voila! Just right.
CV75 Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, the narrator said: But in the infinitely loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong timeline, even that is demanding that someone be permanently and infinitely held back for what they did during an infinitely short period of their life. Seems the better and more gracious solution is to go side with the various Mormon leaders and thinkers who have advocated for progression through kingdoms. The Lord's wisdom and grace are far more efficient than that. 1
filovirus Posted April 27, 2022 Posted April 27, 2022 3 hours ago, the narrator said: And on top of that I should add that most horrifying and nightmarish of all is waking up after dying and discovering that personal existence is everlasting. I get the desire to not want to cease being, and ever more the desire to be reacquainted with those who have died, but the byproduct of being around for 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000..... + years is too much for me. Can you explain this? We know time is relative. Past that we don’t know too much about time. Did time even exist before the Big Bang? I think our (human) understanding of time is … lacking. 2
The Nehor Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: the anarchic Black Block The what now?
rodheadlee Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 minute ago, The Nehor said: The what now? Get married, have some rug rats. It'll change your outlook on life. You won't think all of the protests are so great.
OGHoosier Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 3 hours ago, filovirus said: Can you explain this? We know time is relative. Past that we don’t know too much about time. Did time even exist before the Big Bang? I think our (human) understanding of time is … lacking. https://www.livescience.com/time-might-not-exist Per some physicists, time may not exist at all. Anywhere. Anywhen. The absolute nonsensicality of that statement leads me to believe that my concept of "time" and the variable they call "time" in their formulae are not the same thing.
The Nehor Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: Get married, have some rug rats. It'll change your outlook on life. You won't think all of the protests are so great. Stop interrupting, the adults are talking. Here, have a cookie. (Can someone tell me next time when we are switching to condescending mode?)
Robert F. Smith Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 5 hours ago, The Nehor said: The what now? If you knew anything at all about ANTIFA, you would know what the Black Block is.
Snodgrassian Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: If you knew anything at all about ANTIFA, you would know what the Black Block is. Black Bloc... and it is not new nor unique to ANTIFA 2
Nofear Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 9 hours ago, OGHoosier said: https://www.livescience.com/time-might-not-exist Per some physicists, time may not exist at all. Anywhere. Anywhen. The absolute nonsensicality of that statement leads me to believe that my concept of "time" and the variable they call "time" in their formulae are not the same thing. Quote When it comes to the question of existence, physics is very simple and straightforward about what it considers to be a satisfactory answer. Can you measure it? Can you quantify it? Can you define it in a mathematically self-consistent way? Is it, itself, an observable quantity, and do other observables depend on it in an inextricable way? If your answers to these questions are all in the affirmative, there’s no way out of it: you’ve got yourself a quantity that exists. https://bigthink.com/starts-with-a-bang/does-time-exist-182965/ Physicists think of all kinds of crazy things. It's partly our job. It's also because nature is pretty dang crazy and incomprehensible -- far worse than anything most people have the learning on to even conceptualize. Even though we can answer yes to all the above questions on time, the truth is that we humans really don't have an fundamental understanding of time. There are several theories... but that would be a different topic for a different time.
rpn Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 On 4/26/2022 at 10:36 PM, carbon dioxide said: People are given a kingdom according to the the laws that they were willing to be obedient to Shouldn't this really be according to the people they became based on what they did? The laws aren't our purpose, they are our guidelines. 2
Jaydes Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 "Woke: alert to injustice and discrimination in society" Heaven is probably much more woke than earth society is.
filovirus Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, rpn said: Shouldn't this really be according to the people they became based on what they did? The laws aren't our purpose, they are our guidelines. D&C 88 22 For he who is not able to abide the alaw of a celestial kingdom cannot babide a ccelestial glory. 23 And he who cannot abide the law of a aterrestrial kingdom cannot abide a terrestrial glory. 24 And he who cannot abide the law of a atelestial bkingdom cannot abide a telestial cglory; therefore he is not meet for a kingdom of glory. Therefore he must abide a kingdom which is not a kingdom of glory. What that means can, of course, be up for interpretation. 3
Robert F. Smith Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Snodgrassian said: Black Bloc... and it is not new nor unique to ANTIFA Touché
The Nehor Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 11 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: If you knew anything at all about ANTIFA, you would know what the Black Block is. There is no “the Black Bloc”. Black bloc is a term used to describe a tactic used by a lot of groups to avoid identification. It has been used by some people who identified themselves as Antifa as well as others including Proud Boys and some of the Capitol Rioters. It is common worldwide. Guess I do know at least something about Antifa. 2
Robert F. Smith Posted April 28, 2022 Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, The Nehor said: There is no “the Black Bloc”. Black bloc is a term used to describe a tactic used by a lot of groups to avoid identification. It has been used by some people who identified themselves as Antifa as well as others including Proud Boys and some of the Capitol Rioters. It is common worldwide. Guess I do know at least something about Antifa. You might have been upfront about it to begin with.
The Nehor Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: You might have been upfront about it to begin with. I wasn’t sure if you were referring to that. In context it didn’t fit what you said. Plus, what would be the fun in that? 1
Peacefully Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 13 hours ago, Jaydes said: "Woke: alert to injustice and discrimination in society" Heaven is probably much more woke than earth society is. Love this!
Snodgrassian Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 21 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Touché Not trying to be smart about it. I just tire of the "boogeyman." I frequented the black bloc style for my games of capture the flag that also turned into toilet papering friends houses. 1
mfbukowski Posted April 29, 2022 Posted April 29, 2022 On 4/26/2022 at 7:08 PM, teddyaware said: With all the controversy of late about how a truly just world would be one in which there would be an equality of outcomes, rather than merely an equality opportunities , I’m wondering if there are any participants on this board who believe the Latter-Day Saint doctrine of the three degrees of post-resurrection is unjust because it’s affirmed on the belief that there will be unequal degrees of salvation and glory rewarded at the time of the final judgement? Gotta stand up sometimes! No, I think anything like that
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