Update on Story Re: Missing Kids (Daybell)

[Tacenda]

I wasn't aware of the FB page by chad's daughter Emma called, "Release Lori Vallow Daybell". I wonder what Emma thinks now. And the other children of the Daybell's. The children always lose in cases like this. 

Over and over, I don't get why people feel the need to kill their spouses if they want to leave them for someone else. Imagine how many lives would be saved if these two just divorced their spouses and married each other, I just don't get it. Stay tuned to see yet another 20/20 or Dateline show about a murder such as this. But this one takes the cake with the zombie thing and cult, etc. 

 

[JAHS]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I wasn't aware of the FB page by chad's daughter Emma called, "Release Lori Vallow Daybell". I wonder what Emma thinks now. And the other children of the Daybell's. The children always lose in cases like this. 

Over and over, I don't get why people feel the need to kill their spouses if they want to leave them for someone else. Imagine how many lives would be saved if these two just divorced their spouses and married each other, I just don't get it. Stay tuned to see yet another 20/20 or Dateline show about a murder such as this. But this one takes the cake with the zombie thing and cult, etc. 

 

I am sure someone  has already got a movie in the planning stages about this one.

[teddyaware]

I would be grateful to be able learn from the Lord’s own perfect, all-seeing perspective exactly how this heartbreaking tragedy unfolded? Are they both just plain old insane? Or were Chad and Lori already narcissistic sociopaths when they were in their early twenties, but it wasn’t as apparent back then as it appears to be now? Or were both of them good, average church members who were eventually driven to madness by their own vanity? I’m sure there are other many other possibilities. At any rate, I’d genuinely appreciate understanding what actually happened to these two to see if there are any important life lessons that can be learned from the Daybell’s journey into the abyss in the name of supposed ‘super spirituality and righteousness.’

Edited June 10, 2020 by teddyaware

[mtomm]

35 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I wasn't aware of the FB page by chad's daughter Emma called, "Release Lori Vallow Daybell". I wonder what Emma thinks now. And the other children of the Daybell's. The children always lose in cases like this. 

Over and over, I don't get why people feel the need to kill their spouses if they want to leave them for someone else. Imagine how many lives would be saved if these two just divorced their spouses and married each other, I just don't get it. Stay tuned to see yet another 20/20 or Dateline show about a murder such as this. But this one takes the cake with the zombie thing and cult, etc. 

 

I'm not sure it's actually Chad's daughter.  The new post today doesn't seem to be someone as intimately involved as the daughter and it's all mostly been about Lori.  I know that her husband has been rumored to be behind it but, again, I'm  not convinced it's him for reasons I won't say here. 

Edited June 10, 2020 by mtomm

[strappinglad]

1. People have been killing each other , no matter how closely related, since , well, Adam , so there can be disgust but no real surprise.

2. The ability of people to rationalize horrific behavior is seemingly infinite.

3. Personally I am glad Chad was dumb, otherwise they might never have found the bodies. 

4. Remember the Lafferty brothers? Their slide to doom started IIRC with fighting government taxation and ended with infanticide.

[alter idem]

1 hour ago, mtomm said:

I'm not sure it's actually Chad's daughter.  The new post today doesn't seem to be someone as intimately involved as the daughter and it's all mostly been about Lori.  I know that her husband has been rumored to be behind it but, again, I'm  not convinced it's him for reasons I won't say here. 

I've seen speculation about who actually runs that releaselorivallow fb page, some have thought it was Emma's husband. I think it's because he's been very outspoken in defense and a bit obnoxious.  I think some have claimed he and Emma used a name 'shells n cheese ' in comments over the months. It was certainly someone who supported them.  I've heard he's taken down a lot of his posts recently.  I wonder if they knew the police were moving in on Chad.  Emma is the one who was smirking and sticking her tongue out back in December when the police did their first search of the house.   I bet she's not doing well now, having to face the fact that her Father is a liar and likely a murderer.

I think they could likely be the ones who started the facebook page, but today, they probably have no desire to post, and I expect others have been running t he page as well.  Chad still has supporters in Christopher Parrett and others on AVOW.

Edited June 10, 2020 by alter idem

[bsjkki]

I saw picture of his kids moving furniture out of the house. Those poor kids. What a monster their dad was.

[Calm]

Yep, as soon as the police let them have it. I wonder if they are going to try and sell it for bail. 

[bsjkki]

https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1270806409215541249?s=20

Tweet contains statement from family confirming both identities.

I hope they let their dad rot in jail. I wouldn't bail him out.

[Calm]

The statememt from the Cox Family is one big emotional avoidance. Never heard death and mourning as a “potential new reality” 

Ian is there with the Coxes, no connection to Colby or Zulema apparaently.
 

Easier to read:

https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/06/cox-family-melani-pawlowski-issue-statement-about-jj-and-tylee/

Edited June 12, 2020 by Calm

[bsjkki]

https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1270809121072115712?s=20

Statement by Matt Daybell, Chad's brother.

Sad to read that he and Chad's kids are estranged. There must have been a lot of lies and betrayal revealed yesterday. I feel for Chad's kids. Hopefully, they can reconnect with extended family now that the truth is known.

Edited June 11, 2020 by bsjkki

[Calm]

Having read the statement from Woodcocks and Ryans, Matt Daybell, and then the Coxes minus brother Adam, that last one was odd.  "Apparent", "potential new reality".  As if they think it may feel an illusion

[alter idem]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Yep, as soon as the police let them have it. I wonder if they are going to try and sell it for bail. 

Could they put the house as collateral and not sell it for the bond?  I'm not sure they could get the value at this time.  I think that whoever is living in the house wants to get out and hide somewhere.  They made the mistake of taking Chad's side, being totally silent in support of him, and now the truth comes out, the missing children were dead and buried in their own backyard. This also casts total suspicion on Chad forTammy's death; was it one more thing he lied about?  I'm even more inclined to believe he had something to do with her death now. The autopsy may not be able to prove anything since she was embalmed and it's much more difficult to prove foul play, but now that we know he was involved in  the deaths of the children, and he's been lying this whole time, married that woman two weeks after his wife's death, got 430,000.00 and went to Hawaii to spend it lavishly on her.  Left his family to live in that house with the dead bodies of the children in the yard.  They can't help but see that they did not know their father at all.  Maybe now they will cooperate with the police and just maybe, they'll want justice for their mother, an innocent person who stood in the way of Chad's and Lori's plans.  And Lori's poor husband Charles too. 

I just hope they don't get away with pinning this on Alex Cox.  Alex would have only done what Lori told him to.  If he did the killing, it would have been at her bidding, but imo, I think since the bodies were found on Chad's property, it's less likely Alex was the murderer alone, but Chad was involved.  Chad started all this with his 'dark spirit' designation the year before for Tylee, and probably encouraged Lori to think that the Children would be better off dead. I hope the police bring Melani Pawlowski in now and interrogate her.  I suspect that while they might not be able to prove her involvement, she knew of their plans and possibly has known that the children were dead all this time.  I'm going back to what Ian Pawlowski told the FBI before he decided to back off and take Melani's side.  I'm pretty sure that when he went to the FBI, it was because of what Melanie told him, that she thought the children were dead.  I'll have to go back and reread to be sure but I'm pretty sure he was scared bad enough that murder had taken place and he was afraid for his own children and these crazy people he'd gotten mixed up with.

[alter idem]

3 hours ago, bsjkki said:

https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1270809121072115712?s=20

Statement by Matt Daybell, Chad's brother.

Sad to read that he and Chad's kids are estranged. There must have been a lot of lies and betrayal revealed yesterday. I feel for Chad's kids. Hopefully, they can reconnect with extended family now that the truth is known.

Chad's kids have been lock step believing Chad's lies.  That's why they are estranged from the family.  The Daybell kids can change that.  Maybe it's time for them to face reality that their father is a liar and likely murderer.  It's time to start cooperating with the authorities and do something right; get justice for their mother, who's plight they have pushed to the back burner while they've supported their father's lies.  

[alter idem]

3 hours ago, Calm said:

The statememt from the Cox Family is one big emotional avoidance. Never heard death and mourning as a “potential new reality” 

Ian is there with the Coxes, no connection to Colby or Zulema apparaently.
 

Imo, a lawyer wrote that for them.  I've watched Summer and Janis, I've listened to Melani and Ian.  I think they made their choice and they chose Lori over the children.  From the beginning of this.  I think they are still choosing Lori over justice for the children.

 

[mtomm]

5 hours ago, alter idem said:

I've seen speculation about who actually runs that releaselorivallow fb page, some have thought it was Emma's husband. I think it's because he's been very outspoken in defense and a bit obnoxious.  I think some have claimed he and Emma used a name 'shells n cheese ' in comments over the months. It was certainly someone who supported them.  I've heard he's taken down a lot of his posts recently.  I wonder if they knew the police were moving in on Chad.  Emma is the one who was smirking and sticking her tongue out back in December when the police did their first search of the house.   I bet she's not doing well now, having to face the fact that her Father is a liar and likely a murderer.

I think they could likely be the ones who started the facebook page, but today, they probably have no desire to post, and I expect others have been running t he page as well.  Chad still has supporters in Christopher Parrett and others on AVOW.

I personally know her husband and feel very confident it's not him, especially with the posts today and their timing. 

And the name of the page has been changed to: Lori Vallow Daybell and Chad Daybell are possessed by Lucifer. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by mtomm

[bsjkki]

https://twitter.com/LaurenSnews/status/1270945777871753216?s=20

Interview with JJ's grandfather.

[Calm]

I am glad the Woodcocks have extended their daily to include Colby Ryan, Brandon Bordeaux, and now Natalie Pawlowski***. They all are going through an experience few others will be able to understand. From what little I have seen, they are good at giving loving support to each other (Lori’s hearing when they were present they had arms around each other, respectful when others talked, etc.). 
 

Contrast this to the Coxes who have taken in Ian, but body language and verbal language, they give off vibes of defensiveness.

Daybells I have seen much less, Emma locked in her car sticking out her tongue, but reports are Chad had cut off some relations (Tammy’s side of the family). It must hurt if Tammy’s family is now convinced that Chad murdered her if his children refuse to accept it. How can they comfort each other when that is between them?  Has Chad destroyed his children’s ability to be part of their extended family?
 

***https://mobile.twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1270950974316666880

Edited June 11, 2020 by Calm

[Calm]

It is good to know they had a lot of family who loved them dearly when they were alive. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/ZacCox54/status/1270817583680241664

This is their cousin, Zac Cox, he was living with them early 2019 when the crap started really going (Charles was worried about him when he got home from his trip locked out of the home as Zac had been staying there with them, unfortunately his phone was off that night, but he made connections with Charles the next day. He has been saying Lori was crazy from the start I believe. 
 

His dad Adam Cox is the only Cox sibling telling Lori to confess and show where the kids are. 

[Tacenda]

8 hours ago, alter idem said:

Chad's kids have been lock step believing Chad's lies.  That's why they are estranged from the family.  The Daybell kids can change that.  Maybe it's time for them to face reality that their father is a liar and likely murderer.  It's time to start cooperating with the authorities and do something right; get justice for their mother, who's plight they have pushed to the back burner while they've supported their father's lies.  

I wonder if they've believed their dad is special because of his visions and revelations, so almost a god.

[Tacenda]

It's odd, or I've not seen it, that we haven't heard much from Nate Eaton since chad's arrest.

[bsjkki]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

It's odd, or I've not seen it, that we haven't heard much from Nate Eaton since chad's arrest.

His report on this. https://www.eastidahonews.com/2020/06/chad-daybells-parents-family-issue-statement-for-all-who-are-suffering-and-grieving/

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

It's odd, or I've not seen it, that we haven't heard much from Nate Eaton since chad's arrest.

Never thought I would include reporters’ names in my list of “hey, I know that name” list outside of Scott Lloyd and Peggy Fletcher Stack. There is another reporter at DNS that I recognize, but never remember on my own. 
 

Nate Eaton, Justin Lum, and Eric Grossarth are, I guess, my current celebrity list, lol. First individuals who I sought out their twitter feed. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by Calm

[pogi]

I am just curious, has there been any reference to blood-atonement anywhere by this group?  I am just trying to figure out how they spiritually justified murder.  If they saw the children as zombies, perhaps they felt that the only way to save their souls was to spill their blood and give them another mortal probation, or some nonsense like that.  If they were spiritually justifying murder in the beginnings of their cult, I wonder how many more lives would have been lost if they weren't stopped.  I feel fairly confident that the children are not the only victims.  This thing was probably just getting started. 

Edited June 11, 2020 by pogi

[alter idem]

5 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I wonder if they've believed their dad is special because of his visions and revelations, so almost a god.

Yes, it's likely they put him on a pedestal.  I sure hope they weren't believers in Chad's crazy religion, I hope they did not think they were also part of the 144,000 and were 'translated beings'.   There's no excuse now, the Children are dead and Chad is involved,  it's time for his children to wake up and face reality.   It should outrage them that he buried them in their own backyard, then took off for his new life in Hawaii with the children's mother and almost a 1/2 million dollars he got from their own mother's suspicious death.  He was ready to move on. 

The Daybell children need to step up now and stop protecting him, cooperate fully with law enforcement. They have not made a statement as far as I know (only his brother Matt did, but he did not speak for Chad and Tammy's children), it's time to stop being silent in the wake of this horrific crime.  No more protecting Chad and trying to keep him from having to answer for his involvement in this.