Some day the books will be opened and we will be judged out of them

[Unaffiliated]

The scriptures on the last days make it clear that everything we say or do is being recorded in heaven in the great books that will be opened to us during Final Judgment. Does that ever make you worried? Sometimes I do things and think "well that's going to be embarrassing to revisit during Final Judgment when the book of life is opened and shown to me." Does repenting and the Atonement erase the bad stuff we do from being reviewed again or will we have to endure seeing everything we've said or done or even possibly thought being displayed and seeing how it affected others? What are your thoughts on the books being opened and that we'll be judged based on them? Any fear? Any excitement?

[Glenn101]

5 hours ago, Unaffiliated said:

The scriptures on the last days make it clear that everything we say or do is being recorded in heaven in the great books that will be opened to us during Final Judgment. Does that ever make you worried? Sometimes I do things and think "well that's going to be embarrassing to revisit during Final Judgment when the book of life is opened and shown to me." Does repenting and the Atonement erase the bad stuff we do from being reviewed again or will we have to endure seeing everything we've said or done or even possibly thought being displayed and seeing how it affected others? What are your thoughts on the books being opened and that we'll be judged based on them? Any fear? Any excitement?

This scripture should give one comfort, if he or she believes in LDS Doctrine of course.

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Doctrine and Covenants 58:42 Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more.

The Bible tells us that God is loving, kind, and merciful. LDS theology expands on that to show us just how loving, kind, and merciful that He is.

Glenn

[CV75]

7 hours ago, Unaffiliated said:

The scriptures on the last days make it clear that everything we say or do is being recorded in heaven in the great books that will be opened to us during Final Judgment. Does that ever make you worried? Sometimes I do things and think "well that's going to be embarrassing to revisit during Final Judgment when the book of life is opened and shown to me." Does repenting and the Atonement erase the bad stuff we do from being reviewed again or will we have to endure seeing everything we've said or done or even possibly thought being displayed and seeing how it affected others? What are your thoughts on the books being opened and that we'll be judged based on them? Any fear? Any excitement?

The books on both sides of the veil are constantly updated. You are a book (2 Corinthians 3:3, Proverbs 3:3, Hebrews 8:10, Ezekiel 11;19-20).

[Free in Christ]

8 hours ago, Unaffiliated said:

The scriptures on the last days make it clear that everything we say or do is being recorded in heaven in the great books that will be opened to us during Final Judgment. Does that ever make you worried? Sometimes I do things and think "well that's going to be embarrassing to revisit during Final Judgment when the book of life is opened and shown to me." Does repenting and the Atonement erase the bad stuff we do from being reviewed again or will we have to endure seeing everything we've said or done or even possibly thought being displayed and seeing how it affected others? What are your thoughts on the books being opened and that we'll be judged based on them? Any fear? Any excitement?

The most important thing to know is that your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Do you know this?

[juliann]

5 hours ago, Free in Christ said:

The most important thing to know is that your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Do you know this?

Which name? He is a sockpuppet  😉

[Unaffiliated]

9 minutes ago, juliann said:

Which name? He is a sockpuppet  😉

Be careful comments like that will be used against you at Final Judgment. And sockpuppets are cute what do you have against them?

[juliann]

24 minutes ago, Unaffiliated said:

Be careful comments like that will be used against you at Final Judgment. And sockpuppets are cute what do you have against them?

Depends on whose feet you take them off of. 

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Unaffiliated said:

Be careful comments like that will be used against you at Final Judgment.

Will using sock puppets to get around limited status be used against you as well?

[snowflake]

On 7/23/2018 at 8:01 AM, Glenn101 said:

The Bible tells us that God is loving, kind, and merciful. LDS theology expands on that to show us just how loving, kind, and merciful that He is.

The Bible (Jesus himself) also says that the wicked will be separated out like sheep and goats, and the wicked will be sent into everlasting punishment. Do the LDS believe that part too?

Matthew 25

[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

[RevTestament]

12 minutes ago, snowflake said:

The Bible (Jesus himself) also says that the wicked will be separated out like sheep and goats, and the wicked will be sent into everlasting punishment. Do the LDS believe that part too?

Matthew 25

[34] Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
[35] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
[36] Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
[37] Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
[38] When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
[39] Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
[40] And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
[41] Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
[42] For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
[43] I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
[44] Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
[45] Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
[46] And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

This is referring to what will happen at His coming. Those who have not accepted Him, will not be transfigured nor resurrected, but shall go to Hell for eternal punishment. Everlasting is not the best translation there. Revelation tells us that at the end Hell will then give up the dead for the last judgment, so the punishment is not necessarily eternal in time, but it is eternal in scope. I believe the scriptures tell us the wicked will be given another chance to repent, and can do so at the time of the last judgment. Nevertheless, that will be too late to inherit the celestial kingdom.

[snowflake]

1 minute ago, RevTestament said:

This is referring to what will happen at His coming. Those who have not accepted Him, will not be transfigured nor resurrected, but shall go to Hell for eternal punishment. Everlasting is not the best translation there. Revelation tells us that at the end Hell will then give up the dead for the last judgment, so the punishment is not necessarily eternal in time, but it is eternal in scope. I believe the scriptures tell us the wicked will be given another chance to repent, and can do so at the time of the last judgment. Nevertheless, that will be too late to inherit the celestial kingdom.

Hi Rev!

I believe you are correct, that this is in the future, but it seems that these going to Hell have rejected Jesus. Where in the scriptures do you come up with "another chance to repent"? And I thought that the LDS didn't really believe in a Hell.....The end of Matthew is pretty clear that many who reject Jesus will be there. 

Hebrews 9:27

 

[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

[mfbukowski]

On 7/23/2018 at 8:00 AM, Free in Christ said:

The most important thing to know is that your name is written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Do you know this?

How does one know?

Why believe the bible in the first place?

How is it better than say the Zoroastrian Avesta?

[RevTestament]

5 minutes ago, snowflake said:

Hi Rev!

I believe you are correct, that this is in the future, but it seems that these going to Hell have rejected Jesus. Where in the scriptures do you come up with "another chance to repent"? And I thought that the LDS didn't really believe in a Hell.....The end of Matthew is pretty clear that many who reject Jesus will be there. 

Hebrews 9:27

 

[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Yes, we believe in hell. D&C uses the word 21 times, and it is also in the BoM.

D&C 76:84 These are they who are thrust down to hell.

85 These are they who shall not be redeemed from the devil until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work.

So D&C teaches similarly to Revelation, that those in Hell will be resurrected at the last day. Revelation doesn't specifically say they have another chance, but why else would they be judged?

That scripture in Hebrews tells me that men live one life here on earth. There is no reincarnation. If you don't die in Christ, your spirit goes to hell or spirit prison to await resurrection. This is not the last judgment, and is not necessarily permanent at all. There are many errant beliefs about the afterlife. 

[Doctrine 612]

No!

I am not worried about the last judgment, because I know that it is by the mercy grace and merits of Christ that save me.

8 Wherefore, how great the importance to make these things known unto the inhabitants of the earth, that they may know that there is no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits, and mercy, and grace of the Holy Messiah, who layeth down his life according to the flesh, and taketh it again by the power of the Spirit, that he may bring to pass the resurrection of the dead, being the first that should rise.

Those who are unsure of the judgement day. Trust to much in their own righteousness to save them.

 

[carbon dioxide]

28 minutes ago, snowflake said:

Hi Rev!

I believe you are correct, that this is in the future, but it seems that these going to Hell have rejected Jesus. Where in the scriptures do you come up with "another chance to repent"? And I thought that the LDS didn't really believe in a Hell.....The end of Matthew is pretty clear that many who reject Jesus will be there. 

Hebrews 9:27

 

[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

Hell has different meanings based on the context and word used.   The fact that a person does have a chance to repent after death is found in Matthew 12:32

"And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come."

it is clear to me and others that it is possible to receive forgiveness of sins  in this world and the world to come.  Jesus points out however that committing this sin is just not one of them.   If no sin could be forgiven in the world to come and it was understood that way,  there would be no reason to make this statement.

Edited July 25, 2018 by carbon dioxide

[Glenn101]

1 hour ago, snowflake said:

The Bible (Jesus himself) also says that the wicked will be separated out like sheep and goats, and the wicked will be sent into everlasting punishment. Do the LDS believe that part too?

Oh yes we do. And LDS theology, as revealed to a modern day prophet, expands upon that also.

Glenn

[The Nehor]

So the Atonement is one big book-burning? I can get on board with this!

[smac97]

On 7/23/2018 at 12:16 AM, Unaffiliated said:

The scriptures on the last days make it clear that everything we say or do is being recorded in heaven in the great books that will be opened to us during Final Judgment. Does that ever make you worried?

Not as long as I keep repenting.  "Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more."  (D&C 58:42)

Very comforting, that.

On 7/23/2018 at 12:16 AM, Unaffiliated said:

Sometimes I do things and think "well that's going to be embarrassing to revisit during Final Judgment when the book of life is opened and shown to me." Does repenting and the Atonement erase the bad stuff we do from being reviewed again or will we have to endure seeing everything we've said or done or even possibly thought being displayed and seeing how it affected others? What are your thoughts on the books being opened and that we'll be judged based on them? Any fear? Any excitement?

Excitement, to be sure.  I really love my wife and children, and relish the prospect of associating with them forever.

"Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him."  (1 Cor. 2:9)

Thanks,

-Smac

[Garden Girl]

On 7/27/2018 at 12:52 PM, smac97 said:

Not as long as I keep repenting.  "Behold, he who has repented of his sins, the same is forgiven, and I, the Lord, remember them no more."  (D&C 58:42)

Very comforting, that.

Thanks,

-Smac

I'm counting on this!!

GG

[cinepro]

On 7/25/2018 at 7:55 AM, snowflake said:

The Bible (Jesus himself) also says that the wicked will be separated out like sheep and goats, and the wicked will be sent into everlasting punishment. Do the LDS believe that part too?

 

Snowflake, I can see why you're confused.

LDS absolutely believe in "eternal" punishment, or "endless" punishment.  But what you might not realize is that since those are two of God's names, those terms are simply saying that they are "God's punishment."  So they don't mean "never ending" or "for eternity" like you might assume from the regular definition of the terms.  It's just like saying "Dave's punishment", if God's name was "Dave."

If that seems confusing to you, it's because God has intentionally let the ambiguity persist because He knows that it freaks some people out thinking that the regular "eternal" definition applies.  But he let the cat out of the bag to Joseph Smith in 1829, when he said this:

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Nevertheless, it is not written that there shall be no end to this torment, but it is written endless torment.

7 Again, it is written eternal damnation; wherefore it is more express than other scriptures, that it might work upon the hearts of the children of men, altogether for my name’s glory.

8 Wherefore, I will explain unto you this mystery, for it is meet unto you to know even as mine apostles.

9 I speak unto you that are chosen in this thing, even as one, that you may enter into my rest.

10 For, behold, the mystery of godliness, how great is it! For, behold, I am endless, and the punishment which is given from my hand is endless punishment, for Endless is my name. Wherefore—

11 Eternal punishment is God’s punishment.

12 Endless punishment is God’s punishment.

 

We have a saying, that the Gospel is "simply wonderful and wonderfully simple!"  As this shows, it truly is, once you understand what is really going on.

[Exiled]

33 minutes ago, cinepro said:

Snowflake, I can see why you're confused.

LDS absolutely believe in "eternal" punishment, or "endless" punishment.  But what you might not realize is that since those are two of God's names, those terms are simply saying that they are "God's punishment."  So they don't mean "never ending" or "for eternity" like you might assume from the regular definition of the terms.  It's just like saying "Dave's punishment", if God's name was "Dave."

If that seems confusing to you, it's because God has intentionally let the ambiguity persist because He knows that it freaks some people out thinking that the regular "eternal" definition applies.  But he let the cat out of the bag to Joseph Smith in 1829, when he said this:

 

We have a saying, that the Gospel is "simply wonderful and wonderfully simple!"  As this shows, it truly is, once you understand what is really going on.

May cause some heads to explode, but results vary and due caution is always encouraged.

[Thinking]

When I read the thread title, I thought of these billboards that have been popping up all over. They don't really create an image of a loving God.

[Meerkat]

On 7/25/2018 at 7:55 AM, snowflake said:

The Bible (Jesus himself) also says that the wicked will be separated out like sheep and goats, and the wicked will be sent into everlasting punishment. Do the LDS believe that part too?

I agree with Cinepro about D&C 19:4-12

Snowflake, I look at my concept of mercy and realize I am not merciful as the Savior is because He redeemed me from my sins when I didn't deserve it.  There are few, if any sins I could conceive of that would merit billions upon billions of years living in eternal punishing fire.  I have burned my hand on a stove before and received third degree blisters.  Such a punishment would not be reasonable, fair or merciful, in my opinion.  Meeting out that kind of punishment seem entirely out of character for the God I worship.  It seems out of character for the Savior, who said of His murderers "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."  Do you believe God the Father could be influenced by His son?  Are there others who may know not what they do who did not crucify Him?  Would Jesus be merciful to them? In my opinion, yes.

Edited July 29, 2018 by Meerkat

[Meerkat]

On 7/25/2018 at 8:22 AM, snowflake said:

Hi Rev!

I believe you are correct, that this is in the future, but it seems that these going to Hell have rejected Jesus. Where in the scriptures do you come up with "another chance to repent"? And I thought that the LDS didn't really believe in a Hell.....The end of Matthew is pretty clear that many who reject Jesus will be there. 

Hebrews 9:27

[27] And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

I think this must be the scripture referred to in the Apostles Creed "He descended into hell.  The third day He rose again from the dead."  But in the Creed, they do not explain why He descended into hell, as they say, or the spirit prison, as the Scriptures say.

"18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
            19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
            20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."  1 Peter 3

Reading the context of the scripture shows that the Lord went to those who had been disobedient prior to the Flood.  Why would the Lord care about them?  Their lives were over.  Their probationary time on earth was finished.  Did He do it to further condemn them?  Or to give them hope?

Comtemplating this subject, Joseph F. Smith also referred to 1 Peter 4:6 "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."  Notice, he is not talking metaphorically about those who are spiritually dead.  He unambiguously refers to those who clearly died in the flood.

President Smith then prophetically explained how the Gospel is preached to those in the Spirit Prison prior tp the resurrection in Doctrine and Covenants 138.

32 "Thus was the gospel preached to those who had died in their sins, without a knowledge of the truth, or in transgression, having rejected the prophets.
            33 These were taught faith in God, repentance from sin, vicarious baptism for the remission of sins, the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands,
            34 And all other principles of the gospel that were necessary for them to know in order to qualify themselves that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
            35 And so it was made known among the dead, both small and great, the unrighteous as well as the faithful, that redemption had been wrought through the sacrifice of the Son of God upon the cross."

So there you have three scripture references describing "another chance to repent,"  two from the Bible and one from Doctrine and Covenants.  Does this make sense to you? How do you interpret those scriptures?

Edited July 29, 2018 by Meerkat

[Anijen]

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