Popular Post HappyJackWagon Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Posted June 18, 2018 This isn't the first time they've made a statement on immigration policy but it's the first time since this issue has really blown up over the last couple of weeks. Bravo, church! http://fox13now.com/2018/06/18/lds-church-says-its-troubled-by-separation-of-families/ 9
Tacenda Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 9 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said: This isn't the first time they've made a statement on immigration policy but it's the first time since this issue has really blown up over the last couple of weeks. Bravo, church! http://fox13now.com/2018/06/18/lds-church-says-its-troubled-by-separation-of-families/ I second your statement of saying a big bravo to the church, it is sweet to see!! I've always appreciated their stance on immigration, especially since my daughter married a man who came over with his father, brother and sister illegally while they were younger. Too bad it wasn't under 18, my son-in-law had just graduated high school. He has never used the system for any health care or welfare. But my daughter has on occasion but now is a full time employee and they are doing much better. My heart couldn't bare to see my two grandson's father taken away.
Duncan Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 I can't find the full statement on the Church website
JAHS Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 Funny that the statement made by the church came out only a few hours after this trib commentary. Commentary: The LDS Church’s silence on Trump’s family separation policy is deafening Never mind.
Popular Post The Nehor Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Posted June 18, 2018 22 minutes ago, JAHS said: Funny that the statement made by the church came out only a few hours after this trib commentary. Commentary: The LDS Church’s silence on Trump’s family separation policy is deafening Never mind. Funny in that they almost certainly did not come up with one in those few hours? It is funny watching the administration insist their hands are tied on this when they chose the policy. Hostage taking mindset. “I would love to stop torturing your child but my hands are tied until you give me the ransom money.” 7
provoman Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 1 hour ago, HappyJackWagon said: This isn't the first time they've made a statement on immigration policy but it's the first time since this issue has really blown up over the last couple of weeks. Bravo, church! http://fox13now.com/2018/06/18/lds-church-says-its-troubled-by-separation-of-families/ Given that the Church appears to have capitulated to threats from some unknown in DC and I am not too thrilled with the statement.In addition I rather have Church be silent on political issues, and Government silent on religious issues. 2
The Nehor Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 1 minute ago, provoman said: Given that the Church appears to have capitulated to threats from some unknown in DC and I am not too thrilled with the statement.In addition I rather have Church be silent on political issues, and Government silent on religious issues. What is this shadowy conspiracy in DC that pulls the strings of the apostles so they will defy God Himself? 2
provoman Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, The Nehor said: What is this shadowy conspiracy in DC that pulls the strings of the apostles so they will defy God Himself? op-ed in sltrib from steve pierce Edited June 18, 2018 by provoman
Gray Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 I'm very happy that the church has spoken up on this important issue. This is truly a horror show. 1
cinepro Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) Well, I owe someone an apology, because I doubted that Trump would bring everyone together and judging from my Facebook feed, everyone hates him on this. Edited June 18, 2018 by cinepro 3
Avatar4321 Posted June 18, 2018 Posted June 18, 2018 I'm concerned about the assumption that the adults are these children's parents. Human traffickers would have no problem pretending to be parents or families. Of course we don't want actual families broken up when it can be avoided 1
Danzo Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 7 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: I'm concerned about the assumption that the adults are these children's parents. Human traffickers would have no problem pretending to be parents or families. Of course we don't want actual families broken up when it can be avoided usually they use things like birth certificates and school records to determine parentage.
Avatar4321 Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Danzo said: usually they use things like birth certificates and school records to determine parentage. And how many actually have documents? 1
Danzo Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: And how many actually have documents? In my experience, Most do. I have never found parents here without birth certificates for their children. The only case I have heard of parents unable to document their children involved US citizens who weren't exactly sure who the father was. (there were several candidates)
Avatar4321 Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Danzo said: In my experience, Most do. I have never found parents here without birth certificates for their children. The only case I have heard of parents unable to document their children involved US citizens who weren't exactly sure who the father was. (there were several candidates) Strange because when I worked juvenile court we had a lot of issues because of the lack of documents from immigrant communities 1
Danzo Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: Strange because when I worked juvenile court we had a lot of issues because of the lack of documents from immigrant communities I work in taxes and audits. We don't seem to have much problem with documentation. Illegal immigrants still have to provide documentation if they are audited by the IRS. Perhaps we hang around different immigrant crowds.
The Nehor Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, provoman said: op-ed in sltrib from steve pierce So the apostles read the op-ed and were so humiliated by it they rushed a press release encouraging measures they do not actually agree with to try to make nice with the Trib. Who knew that paper had such power? If they think tithing is too high can they write another editorial to force the Apostles to drop it to 7%? You actually believe it works like that? Edited June 19, 2018 by The Nehor 2
aussieguy55 Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 The Community of Christ statement is not generic and is signed by their President.
Calm Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 4 hours ago, provoman said: Given that the Church appears to have capitulated to threats from some unknown in DC and I am not too thrilled with the statement.In addition I rather have Church be silent on political issues, and Government silent on religious issues. This isn't any different than their stance in 2011: https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/immigration-response Quote The Church has spoken a number of times about the issue of immigration. Specifically, it has spoken in support of the Utah Compact and has described the package of bills passed by the Utah Legislature, taken together, as “a responsible approach” to the difficult question of immigration reform. The Church’s position is based on three basic principles: The commandment to “love thy neighbor.” The importance of keeping families intact. The federal government’s obligation to secure its borders. 4
The Nehor Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, aussieguy55 said: The Community of Christ statement is not generic and is signed by their President. Yeah, well then we will have the next one signed by the prophet and Jesus in blood just to one up them. As long as it is a stupid pointless competition we might as well just keep pushing the envelope. 1
clarkgoble Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Danzo said: In my experience, Most do. I have never found parents here without birth certificates for their children. The only case I have heard of parents unable to document their children involved US citizens who weren't exactly sure who the father was. (there were several candidates) It's much more common among the poor in my experience. Particularly in certain communities like inner cities or the like. But yeah, in this day and age it's so hard to function without one it's not that common. But it definitely happens. 4 hours ago, provoman said: Given that the Church appears to have capitulated to threats from some unknown in DC and I am not too thrilled with the statement.In addition I rather have Church be silent on political issues, and Government silent on religious issues. Nearly every Church has come out against it. This is definitely more than status quo issues. And of course the Church does come out on some moral based political issues like gay marriage, gambling, prostitution, and drugs. People might not appreciate it. But it's hardly uncommon. Edited June 19, 2018 by clarkgoble 1
Maedros Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 How do you (as a parent) put your children through such trauma knowing full well that you will separated from them or rather that they will be separated from you? How man? How? What kind of parents are these? Is poverty so grinding that you'd rather traumatize your kids for a piece of bread? Is it really that bad in Mexico and how in heavens name do they get through Mexico from further South? What is the Mexican government doing about it? How is it an American issue, geez, no one is criticizing Mexico or Latin American governments and parents. 2
Rajah Manchou Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Maedros said: Is poverty so grinding that you'd rather traumatize your kids for a piece of bread? Is it really that bad in Mexico and how in heavens name do they get through Mexico from further South? The crime is pretty bad, as one pundit recently said: "Has anyone been looking at the Crime taking place south of the border. It is historic, with some countries the most dangerous places in the world." - Donald Trump So that is the irony. Trump himself acknowledges that it is extremely dangerous in those countries. But parents, do not bring your children to safety in America, or else! Edited June 19, 2018 by Rajah Manchou 3
Popular Post Hamba Tuhan Posted June 19, 2018 Popular Post Posted June 19, 2018 I didn't know anything about this issue before seeing this thread, so I went to the Church's newspaper to find more. In response to the article reporting the Church's statement is the following: 'I'm more deeply troubled by parents who would uproot their children and put them at risk while trekking hundreds or thousands of miles to illegally violate another country's sovereign border'. This immediately brought the following image to my mind: Yes, indeed. What kind of parents would do such a thing? 8
Rajah Manchou Posted June 19, 2018 Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Hamba Tuhan said: I didn't know anything about this issue before seeing this thread, so I went to the Church's newspaper to find more. In response to the article reporting the Church's statement is the following: 'I'm more deeply troubled by parents who would uproot their children and put them at risk while trekking hundreds or thousands of miles to illegally violate another country's sovereign border'. This immediately brought the following image to my mind: Yes, indeed. What kind of parents would do such a thing? Also, America is their Promised Land: "We have got to be sent forth as missionaries to all parts of this American continent. Not to the Gentiles, for their times will be fulfilled; but we must go to all those tribes that roam through the cold regions of the north—British America, to all the tribes that dwell in the Territories of the United States, also to all those who are scattered through Mexico, and Central and South America, and the object of our going will be to declare the principles of the Gospel unto them, and bring them to a knowledge of the truth. “Then shall they assist my people who are scattered on all the face of the land, that they may be gathered in to the New Jerusalem. Will not this be a great work? It will take a good while to gather all these tribes of South America, for some of them will have to come from five to eight thousand miles in order to reach the New Jerusalem." - Discourse by Elder Orson Pratt, delivered in the Twentieth Ward Meetinghouse, on the Evening of Sunday, February 7, 1875. Given our role to carry them on our shoulders to Zion, there's no justification for separating children from their families at their border in hopes that they will be deterred and go back home. And saying they should come here legally is not enough, because many have already tried that, only to be turned away time and time again. Its time for immigration reform. Let the Lamanites return to Zion. Edited June 19, 2018 by Rajah Manchou 1
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