pogi Posted July 19, 2018 Author Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 58 minutes ago, RevTestament said: No it doesn't. There are still genetic predispositions which increase your risk even if they don't guarantee it. What about the rest of my post? Are you going to dismiss that evidence as well? According Dr. Gad Marshall, associate medical director of clinical trials at the Center for Alzheimer Research and Treatment at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women’s Hospital, in the other 99% other factors likely contribute to symptoms rather than just genes. 58 minutes ago, RevTestament said: No it doesn't. There are still genetic predispositions which increase your risk even if they don't guarantee it. Does that include for instance exposure to statin drugs which have been possibly associated to Alzheimer's? How about killing off intestinal flora with antibiotics? Is that included in your "environmental" factors? I don't believe any of these things are included in your original 6 pillars of healthy lifestyle to avoid/lessen Alzheimer's risk. To answer your questions, yes and yes, I do consider those environmental factors. These things are addressed in the six pillars. 1) if you are living the six pillars you are much less likely to be taking statins. 2) healthy people who eat whole foods with lots of antioxidants and work out daily, with low stress/anxiety are much less likely to get infections like pneumonia etc. that require antibiotic treatment. Edited July 19, 2018 by pogi
Calm Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Unaffiliated said: I will try to find info to post when I get home from work in about 4 hours. If I cant find good enough info I will retract my statement. Just curious, no need to retract. 1
Calm Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Unaffiliated said: They also sell CBD behind the counter at Christopher's Herb Shop in downtown Springville, but on the negative side they also sell Kratom which is like herbal opiates. I love Christopher's and their bulk herbs...and sandwiches (Ginger's Cafe). Edited July 19, 2018 by Calm 1
Unaffiliated Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Calm said: I love Christopher's and their bulk herbs...and sandwiches (Ginger's Cafe). Ya they also have yoga classes and massage therapy. It's a great place.
Tacenda Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 4 hours ago, Jeanne said: I would have given anything to just have something that would settle my father down..and just get some rest. The more loss of sleep...the more deranged his life became. It's so unfair that our parents had to suffer so. And CBD was not as accessible as it is now. I noticed just today that they legalized CBD only w/o THC in 2014. But it wasn't all that common to see until fairly recently.
Unaffiliated Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tacenda said: It's so unfair that our parents had to suffer so. And CBD was not as accessible as it is now. I noticed just today that they legalized CBD only w/o THC in 2014. But it wasn't all that common to see until fairly recently. I started seeing it around in 2016.
pogi Posted August 23, 2018 Author Posted August 23, 2018 Some might be interested in this update. Headline: Quote The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints joins Utah coalition saying no to marijuana initiative, but yes to medical marijuana https://www.ksl.com/article/46380209/latter-day-saint-leaders-join-coalition-yes-on-medical-marijuana-no-on-marijuana-initiative I am happy to hear the "yes" to medical marijuana clarification. They have joined a larger coalition to defeat the marijuana initiative this November. Here is a link to the statement from the coalition: https://twitter.com/JFurKSL/status/1032690489240109056/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1032690489240109056&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ksl.com%2Farticle%2F46380209%2Flatter-day-saint-leaders-join-coalition-yes-on-medical-marijuana-no-on-marijuana-initiative 1
Duncan Posted August 23, 2018 Posted August 23, 2018 1 hour ago, pogi said: Some might be interested in this update. Headline: I am happy to hear the "yes" to medical marijuana clarification. They have joined a larger coalition to defeat the marijuana initiative this November. Here is a link to the statement from the coalition: https://twitter.com/JFurKSL/status/1032690489240109056/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1032690489240109056&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ksl.com%2Farticle%2F46380209%2Flatter-day-saint-leaders-join-coalition-yes-on-medical-marijuana-no-on-marijuana-initiative “The Church does not object to the medicinal use of marijuana, if doctor-prescribed, in dosage form, through a licensed pharmacy,” that's big stuff!
Calm Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 Quote Dear Brothers and Sisters, In November, Proposition 2, an initiative which would legalize the sale and use of marijuana, will appear on the ballot. Its proponents assert that it will make medical marijuana available to those suffering with debilitating pain and other infirmities. However, in truth it goes much further, creating a serious threat to health and public safety, especially for our youth and young adults, by making marijuana generally available with few controls. The Church joins a coalition of medical experts, public officials, and community stakeholders in calling for a safe and compassionate approach to providing medical marijuana to those in need. The Church does not object to the medicinal use of marijuana, if doctor prescribed, in dosage form, through a licensed pharmacy. As a member of the coalition, we urge voters of Utah to vote NO on Proposition 2, and join us in a call to state elected officials to promptly work with medical experts, patients, and community leaders to find a solution that will work for all Utahns, without the harmful effects that will come to pass if Proposition 2 becomes law. For more information on Proposition 2 please refer to this legal analysis prepared for the Church by Kirton McConkie. just dropped in my mailbox a minute ago. It would be helpful if there was a proposition or law on the books that allowed for medical marijuana under the conditions described. My question is how long do we have to wait for that to be available if we vote no on Prop 2. 3
Bernard Gui Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 3:39 PM, pogi said: If medical marijuana is to be legalized, it needs to be treated like all other prescription medications. For example, if you are being treated for pain, no doctor is going to give you a medical opioid card that is good for X amount of months to be used as desired. No, you are going to get a prescription with a very specific quantity, dosage, and frequency. That will not be the case with these medical cannabis cards. It will be up to the user to take it as desired basically, with no follow up visit required. There are several other points that brought up concerns, and also a lot of points that I don't see as an issue at all. What points do you guys view as a concern, or not? LDS aren’t the only ones urging caution, as this recent article from The Atlantic shows... Quote Public-health experts worry about the increasingly potent options available, and the striking number of constant users. “Cannabis is potentially a real public-health problem,” said Mark A. R. Kleiman, a professor of public policy at New York University. “It wasn’t obvious to me 25 years ago, when 9 percent of self-reported cannabis users over the last month reported daily or near-daily use. I always was prepared to say, ‘No, it’s not a very abusable drug. Nine percent of anybody will do something stupid.’ But that number is now [something like] 40 percent.” They argue that state and local governments are setting up legal regimes without sufficient public-health protection, with some even warning that the country is replacing one form of reefer madness with another, careening from treating cannabis as if it were as dangerous as heroin to treating it as if it were as benign as kombucha. But cannabis is not benign, even if it is relatively benign, compared with alcohol, opiates, and cigarettes, among other substances. Thousands of Americans are finding their own use problematic in a climate where pot products are getting more potent, more socially acceptable to use, and yet easier to come by, not that it was particularly hard before.... Perhaps most important might be reintroducing some reasonable skepticism about cannabis, especially until scientists have a better sense of the health effects of high-potency products, used frequently. Until then, listening to and believing the hundreds of thousands of users who argue marijuana is not always benign might be a good start. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/americas-invisible-pot-addicts/567886/
Bernard Gui Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Duncan said: “The Church does not object to the medicinal use of marijuana, if doctor-prescribed, in dosage form, through a licensed pharmacy,” that's big stuff! Big stuff? I say it is a sound scientific approach. I have held this position since before the bogus “medicinal” weed movement came to Washington. Juanita and Albert in the local weed and feeds are not trained and licensed doctors or pharmacists, and their suppliers are not adequately regulated. Edited August 24, 2018 by Bernard Gui 2
Tacenda Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Calm said: just dropped in my mailbox a minute ago. It would be helpful if there was a proposition or law on the books that allowed for medical marijuana under the conditions described. My question is how long do we have to wait for that to be available if we vote no on Prop 2. They've got this on the market now. And it's not cheap... https://www.businessinsider.com/cost-first-fda-approved-marijuana-medication-epidiolex-2018-8 Prop 2 does not allow for smoking weed in the open, nor does it propose that rental owners will have to allow smoking it on their rental properties. And the church owns plenty of those at City Creek Mall. https://www.deseretnews.com/article/170647/LDS-CHURCH-REAL-ESTATE-HOLDINGS-INCLUDE-FARMS-RANCHES-BUILDINGS.html Watching the news and watching the woman speak with the representative from the church was heartbreaking. https://fox13now.com/2018/08/23/religious-groups-medical-marijuana-opponents-join-forces-to-defeat-prop-2/
Bernard Gui Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Watching the news and watching the woman speak with the representative from the church was heartbreaking. https://fox13now.com/2018/08/23/religious-groups-medical-marijuana-opponents-join-forces-to-defeat-prop-2/ Emotional anecdotes are no substitute for real medical science. That was the ploy proponents used in Washington. Why not address the concerns of the opponents who appear to be somewhat supportive of “medicinal weed, come up with a better proposition, and stop the emotional shame and guilt tactics? From the first article.... Quote But although the green light means that patients will soon be able to access Epidiolex with a doctor's prescription, many will also likely turn to less expensive sources of CBD, such as those sold in marijuana dispensaries. Researchers and advocates caution against this, however, with the caveat that it's impossible to verify that what's in those products is actually pharmaceutical-grade CBD. Edited August 24, 2018 by Bernard Gui 2
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california boy Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 3 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: LDS aren’t the only ones urging caution, as this recent article from The Atlantic shows... Public-health experts worry about the increasingly potent options available, and the striking number of constant users. “Cannabis is potentially a real public-health problem,” said Mark A. R. Kleiman, a professor of public policy at New York University. “It wasn’t obvious to me 25 years ago, when 9 percent of self-reported cannabis users over the last month reported daily or near-daily use. I always was prepared to say, ‘No, it’s not a very abusable drug. Nine percent of anybody will do something stupid.’ But that number is now [something like] 40 percent.” They argue that state and local governments are setting up legal regimes without sufficient public-health protection, with some even warning that the country is replacing one form of reefer madness with another, careening from treating cannabis as if it were as dangerous as heroin to treating it as if it were as benign as kombucha. But cannabis is not benign, even if it is relatively benign, compared with alcohol, opiates, and cigarettes, among other substances. Thousands of Americans are finding their own use problematic in a climate where pot products are getting more potent, more socially acceptable to use, and yet easier to come by, not that it was particularly hard before.... Perhaps most important might be reintroducing some reasonable skepticism about cannabis, especially until scientists have a better sense of the health effects of high-potency products, used frequently. Until then, listening to and believing the hundreds of thousands of users who argue marijuana is not always benign might be a good start. https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2018/08/americas-invisible-pot-addicts/567886/ Are you ok with throwing 40% of these people in jail because they don't think marijuana laws are fair a dn don't want to comply with current laws?
Tacenda Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Bernard Gui said: But although the green light means that patients will soon be able to access Epidiolex with a doctor's prescription, many will also likely turn to less expensive sources of CBD, such as those sold in marijuana dispensaries. Researchers and advocates caution against this, however, with the caveat that it's impossible to verify that what's in those products isactually pharmaceutical-grade CBD. Pharmaceutical-grade isn't a good thing, I don't trust these crooks. I'd trust a dispenserary before them. Pharmaceuticals have caused far more deaths, actually 100% more than natural cannibus. Leave it to the ones that know. The church needs to stay out of this, or no longer be tax exempt, IMO.
Atheist Mormon Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 On 5/11/2018 at 5:39 PM, pogi said: While I am in favor of legalizing medical marijuana........................ You and thousands of other (if you are) moderate, liberal faithful members......There was never a "either, or" direction church would take result some consensus, like Prop8, this one will please the core conservative faction while further alienating young, future generations.... There's no winning in this especially when you go out there in streets if you are asked what are you going to answer other than "Yes my church is opposed to Prop8, medical marijuana"......What are the chances finding of a single convert?
bluebell Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 40 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Pharmaceutical-grade isn't a good thing, I don't trust these crooks. I'd trust a dispenserary before them. Pharmaceuticals have caused far more deaths, actually 100% more than natural cannibus. Leave it to the ones that know. The church needs to stay out of this, or no longer be tax exempt, IMO. Can you provide references for these statements Tac? I'd be interested in see them.
pogi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, california boy said: Are you ok with throwing 40% of these people in jail because they don't think marijuana laws are fair a dn don't want to comply with current laws? Jail is not the right answer. That doesn't justify making all marijuana use legal though. Why not address legislation towards the problem of drug possession laws and penalties then? Because the drug possession laws are bad doesn't make all marijuana use good. Edited August 24, 2018 by pogi
pogi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Atheist Mormon said: There's no winning in this especially when you go out there in streets if you are asked what are you going to answer other than "Yes my church is opposed to Prop8, medical marijuana"......What are the chances finding of a single convert? But the church isn't opposed to medical marijuana. 1
pogi Posted August 24, 2018 Author Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: Pharmaceutical-grade isn't a good thing, I don't trust these crooks. I'd trust a dispenserary before them. Pharmaceuticals have caused far more deaths, actually 100% more than natural cannibus. Leave it to the ones that know. Weed will still be weed whether it requires a prescription or not. It doesn't become more dangerous when it is purchased from a pharmacy rather than a dispensary. In fact, the opposite is true. You can trust that you are actually getting good quality weed when it is regulated and dispensed in a pharmacy, you have no such guarantee in a completely unregulated market with a strong history of tainted products and harmful fillers. Yes, some pharmaceuticals are more dangerous than others - not because it is a pharmaceutical, but because of the chemical make-up. Weed will still be weed either way - it won't become more dangerous because of better regulations, it will become less dangerous. Edited August 24, 2018 by pogi 2
Tacenda Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 49 minutes ago, bluebell said: Can you provide references for these statements Tac? I'd be interested in see them. I'm heading into work. When I get home I'll round it up, but mostly my opinion. But thanks for the very polite CFR bluebell. 🙂
Kenngo1969 Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: Pharmaceutical-grade isn't a good thing, I don't trust these crooks. I'd trust a dispenserary before them. Pharmaceuticals have caused far more deaths, actually 100% more than natural cannibus. Leave it to the ones that know. The church needs to stay out of this, or no longer be tax exempt, IMO. Dispenserary = Dispensary, for anyone who's wondering. And cannibus? Is this it? And you think that the tax exempt status of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be revoked even though it didn't simply come out with a blanket prohibition against marijuana and doesn't necessarily oppose the medicinal study and use of marijuana derivatives? You think the tax exempt status of the Church of Jesus Christ should be revoked even though other churches whose leaders have blatantly violated federal law by endorsing candidates from the pulpit remain tax exempt?
ksfisher Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: The church needs to stay out of this, or no longer be tax exempt, IMO. The law allows churches to speak out on political issues, just not in support of or against particular candidates. "Currently, the law prohibits political campaign activity by charities and churches by defining a 501(c)(3) organization as one "which does not participate in, or intervene in (including the publishing or distributing of statements), any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office." [bold in original] "...the ban by Congress is on political campaign activity regarding a candidate; churches and other 501(c)(3) organizations can engage in a limited amount of lobbying (including ballot measures) and advocate for or against issues that are in the political arena." [bold mine] https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/charities-churches-and-politics . 4
california boy Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, pogi said: Jail is not the right answer. That doesn't justify making all marijuana use legal though. Why not address legislation towards the problem of drug possession laws and penalties then? Because the drug possession laws are bad doesn't make all marijuana use good. Just asking. I really don't have a solution here. Marijuana doesn't seem to be a real problem in California, so I don't really have strong feelings about suppressing it. I do think it is not the best move to jail people over it.
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