provoman Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Calm said: Does that mean they have to go back to the doctor each time they want a prescription? Or mean case by case? And how quickly will a Board respond? You can get two weeks of oxy in Utah without difficulty, but have to go back again for another appt if wanting more. If for treating a chronic condition, this could get costly in terms of time and money. I get not including everything on the previous list as the science isn’t there if that is what was intended by the vote, but that seems to go contrary to the intent of the initiative in my view. I prefer it be left up to the doctor and the doctor’s frequency of scrips be kept track of. A doctor can keep track of if marijuana is replacing more dangerous drugs, for instance, as evidence of its effectiveness for that patient As far as pharmacist dispensing, since it is a drug and therefore may have interactions with other drugs people are taking, I prefer that route to just specialists in marijuana. Well 1st requirement is who ever is pn the Compassionate Use Board has to a specific type of Dr AND "knowledgeable aboutvthe medicinal use of cannabis" I cant imagine there are Drs who qualify for the Board in Utah. But to your questions...looks like compassionate use board is not authorized to limit dosage. The compassionate use board only authority is grant or deny a medical cannabis card. However that card expires and you have to have your Dr prepare a report and send it to the compassionate use board - which at a minimum meets quarterly AND has 90 days to reveiw, grant or deny each request. Edited December 4, 2018 by provoman
bluebell Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Calm said: Does that mean they have to go back to the doctor each time they want a prescription? Or mean case by case? And how quickly will a Board respond? You can get two weeks of oxy in Utah without difficulty, but have to go back again for another appt if wanting more. If for treating a chronic condition, this could get costly in terms of time and money. I get not including everything on the previous list as the science isn’t there if that is what was intended by the vote, but that seems to go contrary to the intent of the initiative in my view. I prefer it be left up to the doctor and the doctor’s frequency of scrips be kept track of. A doctor can keep track of if marijuana is replacing more dangerous drugs, for instance, as evidence of its effectiveness for that patient As far as pharmacist dispensing, since it is a drug and therefore may have interactions with other drugs people are taking, I prefer that route to just specialists in marijuana. It means case by case. But since the law has only been in effect since yesterday I doubt there are any answers as to how fast the board will respond. 1
Calm Posted December 4, 2018 Posted December 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, bluebell said: It means case by case. But since the law has only been in effect since yesterday I doubt there are any answers as to how fast the board will respond. My daughter has a doctor's appt tomorrow. We may ask her about having my sister bring something for my daughter from Colorado this Christmas, but probably just out of curiosity as she is adjusting and trying new treatments already and she wants them out of the way before adding stuff. 1
provoman Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) The Board meets quarterly, it is an appointed position with compensation. How soon it has to be established, I do not know. Nevada side of wendover is soon to have a dispensary. The only real issue is possession with a card in Utah. Edited December 5, 2018 by provoman 1
Calm Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, provoman said: The Board meets quarterly, it is an appointed position with compensation. How soon it has to be established, I do not know. Nevada side of wendover is soon to have a dispensary. The only real issue is possession with a card in Utah. I give them three months to get it all settled and then I want it when I want it. (like that is going to happen, sigh) I hope they change the Board meeting quarterly, one can get hooked on heavy pain meds in three months and even generic is several hundred a month in cost. Edited December 5, 2018 by Calm
Tacenda Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 15 minutes ago, Calm said: I give them three months to get it all settled and then I want it when I want it. (like that is going to happen, sigh) I hope they change the Board meeting quarterly, one can get hooked on heavy pain meds in three months and even generic is several hundred a month in cost. I say we take our lives in our own hands, doctors and pharmaceutical companies are probably so afraid of healthy people which make them lose money, IMO.
Kenngo1969 Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 6 hours ago, lostindc said: Ken, Based on your post, you have no knowledge whatsoever in regards to this subject. Your prediction is disastrously unsupported and full of paranoia. If you gained any experience working in hospice care and other medical environments then you would have working knowledge of the exceedingly great benefits of medical marijuana. It's no longer debatable. Thankfully, your beliefs are becoming more silent. In time, marijuana will arrive everywhere in the United States. One would hope that marijuana rights become more vast in Utah in order to help combat the abuse of opioids and meth. Utah people love meth and opioids. Which subject is that, the efficacy of marijuana? You're quite right that I tend to be suspicious when the precise mechanism of a claimed remedy isn't well understood and when the list of symptoms and conditions it is claimed to help is long and disparate. I'm not convinced that legalization of marijuana will impact the use or abuse of other drugs.
Calm Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Tacenda said: I say we take our lives in our own hands, doctors and pharmaceutical companies are probably so afraid of healthy people which make them lose money, IMO. My doctors have in general been very happy for me to be as proactive as I want, at least here in Utah. Had lots more problems getting shut down by doctors up in Canada for some reason. Was just having a talk with one doctor about how frustrated he was with insurance and government telling him what he had to do rather than being allowed to listen to his patients. He keeps prescribing my family members the drugs he hopes they can get and so far we have lucked out with the insurance company, but with government he can't even try anymore. I hope most doctors are that way. Edited December 5, 2018 by Calm
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provoman Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Calm said: I give them three months to get it all settled and then I want it when I want it. (like that is going to happen, sigh) I hope they change the Board meeting quarterly, one can get hooked on heavy pain meds in three months and even generic is several hundred a month in cost. The more request for the Board, the more they have to met....its the law. As for a request to the Board....get working with your Doctors now, so that when the board is ready the application/request is ready Edited December 5, 2018 by provoman 1
Tacenda Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 I was wondering if the prevention of Alzheimer's is okay for a medical card? I should add, if it's shown that early Alzheimer's runs in the family. And wouldn't we want to prevent Alzheimer's anyway, so why is this law so enept?!? There is an epidemic of this horrific disease. But oh the money the medical providers will make in treating those with Alzheimer's, not to mention the pharmaceuticals who produce meds that for my mother only made her sick and she couldn't stand to use them. Had cannabis been around, so so much better for her and for the agitation that Alzheimer's patients go through, as well as getting their lives back to a fairly normal existence. https://www.sciencealert.com/marijuana-compound-thc-removes-toxic-alzheimer-protein-from-brain
Calm Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, provoman said: The more request for the Board, the more they have to met....its the law. As for a request to the Board....get working with your Doctors now, so that when the board is ready the application/request is ready Good idea.
RevTestament Posted December 5, 2018 Posted December 5, 2018 10 hours ago, Tacenda said: I was wondering if the prevention of Alzheimer's is okay for a medical card? I should add, if it's shown that early Alzheimer's runs in the family. And wouldn't we want to prevent Alzheimer's anyway, so why is this law so enept?!? There is an epidemic of this horrific disease. But oh the money the medical providers will make in treating those with Alzheimer's, not to mention the pharmaceuticals who produce meds that for my mother only made her sick and she couldn't stand to use them. Had cannabis been around, so so much better for her and for the agitation that Alzheimer's patients go through, as well as getting their lives back to a fairly normal existence. https://www.sciencealert.com/marijuana-compound-thc-removes-toxic-alzheimer-protein-from-brain I have my doubts about whether Cannabis will remove amyloid plaques, but it may block their formation. If I were a patient I would take a medical study into a doctor to try to convince them of the efficacy of the treatment, because if I were a doctor I would want to see at least one long term study to start getting people's hopes up. Vitamin D from a little daily sun, and a few other things I have mentioned on this forum I would certainly recommend.
Tacenda Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 Today my son came up from his cave downstairs and wanted to give me a marijuana gummy bear that someone gave him, he thinks I need it I guess. He's 21 btw, but I saw that and I came unglued. I've known about these gummy bears before and thought it strange that adults needed it to be in candy form, but I just about blew a gasket when I saw how close it came to the gummy bears kids buy in stores. And having my young grandsons in my home right now because I'm tending them, must have sent me over the edge when I saw this one little blue gummy bear in a baggy. And how easily a child could ingest if the adults in their lives aren't careful to put them in a safe place. It enraged me enough that now I want to go publicly against these. What is wrong with adults that need this in a candy form like this? I'm glad I have this forum to rant on, keeps me off of FB for a spell. But I am all for medicinal marijuana but presented as a medicine NOT a candy.
provoman Posted March 23, 2019 Posted March 23, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Tacenda said: Today my son came up from his cave downstairs and wanted to give me a marijuana gummy bear that someone gave him, he thinks I need it I guess. He's 21 btw, but I saw that and I came unglued. I've known about these gummy bears before and thought it strange that adults needed it to be in candy form, but I just about blew a gasket when I saw how close it came to the gummy bears kids buy in stores. And having my young grandsons in my home right now because I'm tending them, must have sent me over the edge when I saw this one little blue gummy bear in a baggy. And how easily a child could ingest if the adults in their lives aren't careful to put them in a safe place. It enraged me enough that now I want to go publicly against these. What is wrong with adults that need this in a candy form like this? I'm glad I have this forum to rant on, keeps me off of FB for a spell. But I am all for medicinal marijuana but presented as a medicine NOT a candy. The only legal gelatenous medical dosage form of medical marijuana is a gelatenous cube. Edited March 23, 2019 by provoman
LoudmouthMormon Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) On 3/23/2019 at 1:42 PM, provoman said: The only legal gelatenous medical dosage form of medical marijuana is a gelatenous cube. I guess maybe you're talking about Utah? Cuz there aren't any laws/enforceable policies/standards/regulations about the method of delivery here in smoky Colorado. Maybe for medical MJ, but not the full-blown all-MJ we got a few years later as a natural result of starting with MMJ. There might be some bottoms-up self-regulating, but ain't no laws against MJ candy here. We're currently seeing exponential yearly increase in numbers of children going to the ER because of MJ overdoses. Tell me, Utah, did you start with medical MJ only, like we did? Well, then provoman might be correct. Stay tuned for step 2. Congratulations, Utah, welcome to the club. I hope you're pleased with your choices. Edited March 25, 2019 by LoudmouthMormon
Tacenda Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: I guess maybe you're talking about Utah? Cuz there aren't any laws/enforceable policies/standards/regulations about the method of delivery here in smoky Colorado. Maybe for medical MJ, but not the full-blown all-MJ we got a few years later as a natural result of starting with MMJ. There might be some bottoms-up self-regulating, but ain't no laws against MJ candy here. We're currently seeing exponential yearly increase in numbers of children going to the ER because of MJ overdoses. Tell me, Utah, did you start with medical MJ only, like we did? Well, then provoman might be correct. Stay tuned for step 2. Congratulations, Utah, welcome to the club. I hope you're pleased with your choices. I'm so sad to see this. Especially when medicinal marijuana is so helpful or even life saving. I wish there was a way to avoid this happening to Utah, but luckily we are only allowed if we have a need medically. Adults suck, if they need it in candy form IMO. 😡 I understand if they made it to taste decent for the children with autism/seizures etc. Or something that is more palatable. But in candy form, no way. Edited March 25, 2019 by Tacenda
Kenngo1969 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) If someone wants one aspect of how Marijuana is regulated or dispensed to be controlled, well and good. The problem is that there are enough differing opinions about what, precisely, should be regulated and dispensed, and about how, precisely, it should be regulated and dispensed that it's difficult to come up with any sort of a consensus. Will Marijuana legalization be a case of being able to "please some of the people, some of the time," on the one hand, but being able to please "other people, none of the time," on the other? As a wise person once said, the devil's in the details. And, while those who hold this view have been dismissed as nothing more "Chicken-Crap-Little, The Sky is Falling" Alarmists, no matter what regulations and dispensing options are chosen, pretty much always, unintended consequences ensue. One cannot simply pick up one end of a snake without worrying about what the other end might do to him: If he picks up one end of the snake, he picks up the other ... always. Edited March 25, 2019 by Kenngo1969
Tacenda Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 4 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: If someone wants one aspect of how Marijuana is regulated or dispensed to be controlled, well and good. The problem is that there are enough differing opinions about what, precisely, should be regulated and dispensed, and about how, precisely, it should be regulated and dispensed that it's difficult to come up with any sort of a consensus. Will Marijuana legalization be a case of being able to "please some of the people, some of the time," on the one hand, but being able to please "other people, none of the time," on the other? As a wise person once said, the devil's in the details. And, while those who hold this view have been dismissed as nothing more "Chicken-Crap-Little, The Sky is Falling" Alarmists, no matter what regulations and dispensing options are chosen, pretty much always, unintended consequences ensue. One cannot simply pick up one end of a snake without worrying about what the other end might do to him: If he picks up one end of the snake, he picks up the other ... always. I'm coming around Ken, now I'm seeing what people are talking about! 😱
Kenngo1969 Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, LoudmouthMormon said: . . . Congratulations, Utah, welcome to the club. I hope you're pleased with your choices. I wonder, how long will it be before the makers of Twix ™, Butterfinger ™, Almond Joy ™, Snickers ™, et al., will sue the makers and purveyors of these Marijuana-adulterated knockoffs? Will the State have to get involved at some point and on some level to defend the purveyors? One could say, "Meh, the State simply allows the dispensaries which promulgate these products to operate. That's too tenuous of a connection to worry about." Still, however remote, there is, nonetheless, a chance that I could see my tax dollars at work here. 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I'm so sad to see this. Especially when medicinal marijuana is so helpful or even life saving. I wish there was a way to avoid this happening to Utah, but luckily we are only allowed if we have a need medically. Adults suck, if they need it in candy form IMO. 😡 I understand if they made it to taste decent for the children with autism/seizures etc. Or something that is more palatable. But in candy form, no way. I don't want to seem unsympathetic. I'm not; I'm with you, at least on this: But enough proponents of legalization told us that the benefits of Marijuana outweighed the scant (nonexistent?) concern that edible products could wind up in the hands of minors that . . . Again, one cannot simply pick up one end of a snake: If he picks up one end, he picks up the other. Always. Edited March 25, 2019 by Kenngo1969
LoudmouthMormon Posted March 25, 2019 Posted March 25, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said: I wonder, how long will it be before the makers of Twix ™, Butterfinger ™, Almond Joy ™, Snickers ™, et al., will sue the makers and purveyors of these Marijuana-adulterated knockoffs? Will the State have to get involved at some point and on some level to defend the purveyors? One could say, "Meh, the State simply allows the dispensaries which promulgate these products to operate. That's too tenuous of a connection to worry about." Sue who? These are not established companies, these are some guy with a color printer and a grow operation. Or some guy hired by cartels to package their product, now that it's legal. "Will the state have to get involved"? With what? Making MJ less legal than the voting citizens and lobbyists and special interest groups want it to be? Good luck with that. "The state simply allows"? Get ready Utah, you're in for a heck of a ride if you believe transnational criminal organizations give a wet slap about what the state allows or doesn't allow. Y'all made MMJ legal. Again, read up. Utah, please be smarter than Colorado. Edited March 25, 2019 by LoudmouthMormon 2
Calm Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 Things are not going smoothly. I expect it will be years before marijuana is a practical drug option in Utah. My doctors and pharmacists I have talk about it with are clueless wouldn’t know where to start the process of applying or even if one can. https://www.apnews.com/6611a43872bb4358b2ee395dcbe535e2
The Nehor Posted August 3, 2019 Posted August 3, 2019 On 12/4/2018 at 9:10 PM, Tacenda said: I was wondering if the prevention of Alzheimer's is okay for a medical card? I should add, if it's shown that early Alzheimer's runs in the family. And wouldn't we want to prevent Alzheimer's anyway, so why is this law so enept?!? There is an epidemic of this horrific disease. But oh the money the medical providers will make in treating those with Alzheimer's, not to mention the pharmaceuticals who produce meds that for my mother only made her sick and she couldn't stand to use them. Had cannabis been around, so so much better for her and for the agitation that Alzheimer's patients go through, as well as getting their lives back to a fairly normal existence. https://www.sciencealert.com/marijuana-compound-thc-removes-toxic-alzheimer-protein-from-brain It is important to note that this study only shows that THC can cause the breakup of plaque that is suspected of being linked with Alzheimer’s. This breakup has only been demonstrated in a lab and not in a human body. While definitely worthy of further research it is not proven to work. On 12/4/2018 at 7:30 PM, Tacenda said: I say we take our lives in our own hands, doctors and pharmaceutical companies are probably so afraid of healthy people which make them lose money, IMO. We have gone from “Reefer Madness” and its take on marijuana being the root of all evil to believing it is a miracle cure-all. "Human reason is like a drunken man on horseback; set it up on one side, and it tumbles over on the other." -Martin Luther 2
Kenngo1969 Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 If this link has already been posted, my apologies: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/900082958/utah-supreme-court-rejects-challenge-to-medical-marijuana-law-that-replaced-prop-2.html First quoting an excerpt from a commenter to whom I responded, I commented: Quote Conservative Scientist - Lindon UT "The replacement law is far better than proposition 2. It is supported by many groups, including the Utah Medical Association and is much more responsible than the loose language of proposition 2 that essentially would have legalized recreational pot." Well, duh! I doubt either one of us are betting men, but if you were, how much would you bet that there were more than a few Prop 2 backers who, in reality, couldn't give a tinker's dam about the incalculable suffering that (according to them) would be relieved once medical marijuana is approved in Utah? For more than a few of them, it's never been about "relieving" such "suffering," but, rather, simply about being able to toke up. Rightly, the legislature called their bluff and said, "OK. You want medical marijuana in Utah? We'll give you medical marijuana." This isn't about "overriding the people's will"; it's about [at least some]* people saying they want something ... and being given what they said they want rather than what they really want. And make no mistake: that's why [at least some of them]* are upset. *I should have included the bracketed caveats in my response at deseretnews.com, but was unable to do so because of space constraints. I realize that many proponents of medical marijuana are sincere in their desire to legalize it ... for medical reasons. However, I don't think any reasonable person can deny that many proponents of "medical" marijuana see it as a back door to full legalization, recreational as well as medicinal.
poptart Posted August 7, 2019 Posted August 7, 2019 On 5/11/2018 at 5:15 PM, california boy said: Not surprised that the church would do a political hit piece on marijuana and tell the members to read it rather than providing a balanced informative information piece for the members to consider Replace marijuana with opioids and you can see how ridiculous some of these arguments are Here's my take on illegal drugs, legalize em, all of em. As a rule people don't want to do what it really takes to control it and we waste so much money on keeping the stuff illegal. I put a lot of blame on families, go to the CDC and look at a breakdown on who's overdosing. We need actual mental health and addiction treatment as well as a way to streamline these people back into mainland society but whenever something like housing and treatment for the homeless comes up (Many homeless are addicts), no one wants it in their neighborhood because of property values. Marijuana isn't as bad as alcohol which I find hilarious, the latter is one of the few drugs out there where the withdraw can kill yet it's everywhere. Kind of mean to say but hey, if they overdose they overdose, it's not like society really seems to care either way, only reason why people complain now is that it's affecting their neighborhoods and children, emphasis on the "their".
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