"LDS Church: Legal analysis raises concerns about Utah medical marijuana initiative"

[Tacenda]

15 minutes ago, Calm said:

Insomnia medical claims  is something I pay close attention to and having that as a side effect would cause me to hesitate to use a drug, so I found this article interesting.  

https://theconversation.com/does-marijuana-affect-your-sleep-81661

 

22 minutes ago, Calm said:

Side effects of epidiolex (wonder how long it will take for this to start triggering 403 page?):

Marijuana side effects:

"Use of marijuana can cause dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, dry or red eyes, heart and blood pressure problems, lung problems, impaired mental functioning, headache, dizziness, numbness, panic reactions, hallucinations, flashbacks, depression, and sexual problems.

Pregnancy: Marijuana is UNSAFE when taken by mouth or smoked during pregnancy. Marijuana passes through the placenta and can slow the growth of the fetus. Marijuana use during pregnancy is also associated with childhood leukemia and abnormalities in the fetus.

Breast-feeding: Using marijuana, either by mouth or by inhalation is LIKELY UNSAFEduring breast-feeding. The dronabinol (THC) in marijuana passes into breast milk and extensive marijuana use during breast-feeding may result in slowed development in the baby.

Heart disease: Marijuana might cause rapid heartbeat, short-term high blood pressure. It might also increase the risk of a having heart attack.

A weakened immune system: Cannabinoids in marijuana can weaken the immune system, which might make it more difficult for the body to fight infections.

Lung diseases: Long-term use of marijuana can make lung problems worse. Regular, long-term marijuana use has been associated with lung cancer and also with several cases of an unusual type of emphysema, a lung disease.

Seizure disorders: Marijuana might make seizure disorders worse in some people; in other people it might help to control seizures.

Surgery: Marijuana affects the central nervous system. It might slow the central nervous system too much when combined with anesthesia and other medications during and after surgery. Stop using marijuana at least 2 weeks before a scheduled surgery."

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-947/marijuana

It would appear that most of the side effects are because epidolex is marijuana based or high CBD content (thus marijuana with similar content would tend to result in the same side effects).

Are these mainly from using the cannabis with THC? I do understand that we need to be cautious. I know I've been hellbent of the good it can do. But do know pharmaceuticals have pages of side affects that are scarier, IMO. 

[Tacenda]

48 minutes ago, pogi said:

How so?  What specifically is laughable in that article?

Are you denying that epidiolex is simply a pure plant derived cannabidiol?  

I learned that from the manufacturer themselves:

https://www.greenwichbiosciences.com/products-pipeline/research-trials/clinical-trials?utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=greenwich biosciences corporate_exact&utm_term=epidiolex&utm_content=greenwich biosciences corporate_exact_exact&gclid=Cj0KCQjw2f7bBRDVARIsAAwYBBsr-2MrFC4UsHnOaRGvgUx9cl3vu92onyXdyNsdtZkEfqK6jUz1G58aAkRWEALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

 

When I read this list. It mentions a contradictory statement. And the bolded one that say parts are contaminated. But no biggie.

Epidiolex
• FDA approved
• Proven to be safe
• Proven to reduce seizures
• A purified extract of marijuana that is 99% CBD, less than 1% THC, marijuana’s psychoactive ingredient
• Doctors prescribe.
• Patients buy at pharmacies.
• Likely to be insured.
• Likely moved to a lower Schedule CBD Products States Have Legalized
• Not FDA approved
• Not proven to be safe
• Not proven to reduce seizures
• Unpurified extracts containing up to 20% CBD, THC, other components. Some are contaminated.
• Doctors recommend.
• Patients buy at dispensaries.
• Not insured.
• Likely to remain in Schedule 1

ETA: Pogi, I'm out of posts, just wanted you to know, I've been very sleep deprived, and should have caught that mistake they made. Sorry if I'm obsessed about CBD oil. I agree, I want labs to test CBD oil as well as everyone else. I just think that there are far too many roadblocks too. But I will end for now, and sometimes eat my words. Take care!!

ETA: Also...can't let this one get away...a rebuttal to Utah Eagle Forum's critisism of Prop 2. Hopefully people will read this, I'm so bad at debate and need an article like this to state my case.https://libertasutah.org/personal-freedom/a-rebuttal-of-utah-eagle-forums-criticisms-of-the-utah-medical-cannabis-act-prop-2/

Edited August 24, 2018 by Tacenda

[pogi]

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

But do know pharmaceuticals have pages of side affects that are scarier, IMO. 

What?  Receiving FDA approval somehow magically makes a product have more adverse reactions?  

Tacenda, those "pages of side effects" means the product has actually been through clinical trials.  Full spectrum CBD oil has the SAME, if not MORE, risks since there are more compounds in it (which have not been studied for side effects.  epidiolex IS CBD. 

Knowing the potential side effects (even over-the-counter medicines have pages of side effects) means that we understand the risks and benefits and can make an informed decision of risk vs benefit.  I CANNOT make such an informed decision if it has not been through clinical trial.  

When you start seeing pages of claimed benefits with almost no claimed risks, without any clinical trials, then you have reason to mistrust the product.  When you see the opposite of many side effects with only 1-2 approved uses in clinical trials, then you know that you can make an informed decision.

[pogi]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

When I read this list. It mentions a contradictory statement. And the bolded one that say parts are contaminated. But no biggie.

Epidiolex
• FDA approved
• Proven to be safe
• Proven to reduce seizures
• A purified extract of marijuana that is 99% CBD, less than 1% THC, marijuana’s psychoactive ingredient
• Doctors prescribe.
• Patients buy at pharmacies.
• Likely to be insured.
• Likely moved to a lower Schedule CBD Products States Have Legalized
• Not FDA approved
• Not proven to be safe
• Not proven to reduce seizures
• Unpurified extracts containing up to 20% CBD, THC, other components. Some are contaminated.
• Doctors recommend.
• Patients buy at dispensaries.
• Not insured.
• Likely to remain in Schedule 1

They are comparing epidiolex to non-regulated CBD.  I think the list was supposed to look like this:

Epidiolex
• FDA approved
• Proven to be safe
• Proven to reduce seizures
• A purified extract of marijuana that is 99% CBD, less than 1% THC, marijuana’s psychoactive ingredient
• Doctors prescribe.
• Patients buy at pharmacies.
• Likely to be insured.
• Likely moved to a lower Schedule CBD Products States Have Legalized

CBD
• Not FDA approved
• Not proven to be safe
• Not proven to reduce seizures
• Unpurified extracts containing up to 20% CBD, THC, other components. Some are contaminated.
• Doctors recommend.
• Patients buy at dispensaries.
• Not insured.
• Likely to remain in Schedule 1

[janderich]

18 hours ago, pogi said:

It is federal, rather than state, laws that we are waiting for change with.  It is the schedule I status by the DEA that is inhibiting drug companies from studying, manufacturing, and legally selling marijuana based drugs.  Because we recently have had a marijuana based product approved by the FDA, we might see changes soon with the DEA.

Along with marijuana, heroin, LSD, and cocaine are on the schedule 1 drug list. Over the last 50 years petitions have come before the DEA to change it's classification to schedule 2 or a lower which would allow drug companies to conduct further research without the ultra strict regulations. However, the FDA and DEA have held firm. In 2016 they again affirmed their commitment to keep marijuana as a schedule 1 drug. 

Yes, they have approved a marijuana base product recently and in 2016 they allowed research companies to use marijuana grown from other facilities besides there own, but this is ridiculous. Marijuana is legal in 9 states but research of the drug itself is severely limited?! It's time to change the drugs status. This is a clear indication of the problems we have with regulatory agencies and their ability to make rules in which we the people have very little influence over. I wish the fight form medical marijuana was being fought on this front.  

[jpv]

9 hours ago, janderich said:

Along with marijuana, heroin, LSD, and cocaine are on the schedule 1 drug list. O

Sadly, this is not the case, cocaine and methamphetamine aren't even schedule one. 

[Bernard Gui]

On 8/24/2018 at 1:46 PM, Tacenda said:

When did I say kids have died using Epidiolex? I just mentioned the expense. https://techboyis.blogspot.com/2018/08/the-drug-maker-behind-first-fda.html

I provided a quote from an article you referenced that described Epidiolex, a new approved FDA pharmaceutical drug derived from marijuana and that also cautioned against using non-approved substances. To which you replied, 

Quote

Pharmaceutical-grade isn't a good thing, I don't trust these crooks. I'd trust a dispenserary before them. Pharmaceuticals have caused far more deaths, actually 100% more than natural cannibus. Leave it to the ones that know.

Looks like a direct comment on Epidiolex to me.

Who are the ones that know?

[Tacenda]

20 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

I provided a quote from an article you referenced that described Epidiolex, a new approved FDA pharmaceutical drug derived from marijuana and that also cautioned against using non-approved substances. To which you replied, 

Looks like a direct comment on Epidiolex to me.

Who are the ones that know?

It's because I don't trust the pharmaceutical companies, basically. Here's several in just the last few years of how they've harmed. Most are evil liars.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/caroline-beaton/holding-big-pharma-accoun_b_8280952.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

https://www.drugwatch.com/news/2016/01/21/top-5-big-pharma-verdicts-settlements-in-2015/

https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2018/03/new-report-on-big-pharma-settlements-highlights-need-for-tougher-enforcement/

Edited August 26, 2018 by Tacenda

[pogi]

22 hours ago, Tacenda said:

It's because I don't trust the pharmaceutical companies, basically. Here's several in just the last few years of how they've harmed. Most are evil liars.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/caroline-beaton/holding-big-pharma-accoun_b_8280952.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements

https://www.drugwatch.com/news/2016/01/21/top-5-big-pharma-verdicts-settlements-in-2015/

https://healthjournalism.org/blog/2018/03/new-report-on-big-pharma-settlements-highlights-need-for-tougher-enforcement/

Almost all of those settlements are for off-label promotion and for kickbacks. Only one or two are for not listing potential side effects.

We all know that big pharma is all about the money, but you at least know what you are paying for, and you know that it has proven efficacy for approved-label use. Can you say the same thing about herbals?

As if herbal products are only promoting their products for proven uses!    Why would you trust them more?  Look at all of their bogus claims, their tainted products, their dangerous unlisted fillers which can lead to anaphylaxis, their potentially life threatening side-effects (not listed on product), potential interactions with medications (not listed).  Have you read ANY of the links that I have posted about severe kidney and liver damage, anaphylaxis and death?  Have you read any of the links about how they are selling you flour pills and telling you that it is something else?  Have you read any of the links about their tainted products which have caused severe illness?  Have you read about the recent illnesses in Utah from bogus CBD oil?  Do you really trust these companies?  Why?  Honestly, how can you say that you trust to get what you are paying for, and that it treats what they claim it will, and how can you know what the potential risks and side effects are? 

  

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In 2013, the University of Guelph (in Canada) conducted research suggesting that up to one-third of herbal supplements tested consisted mainly of filler and did not include the plants listed on their labels. That study, published in the journal BMC Medicine (October 2013) found that of 44 herbal products from 12 companies tested, only two companies had labels that were entirely authentic, without substitutions, contaminants or fillers. Meanwhile, nearly 60 percent of products had plant species not listed on the ingredient label, 32 percent contained substitutions and 20 percent contained fillers not included on the label. 

https://www.lawyersandsettlements.com/lawsuit/herbal-supplements.html

 

Do you honestly think that herbal companies are not ALL about the money too.  The difference is that they are unregulated, so they can get away with more deception, lies, dangerous practices in order to line their pockets.  

There are corrupt people in both industries, the question is whether you feel safer buying tested products from corrupt people in a regulated industry, or untested products from corrupt people in an unregulated industry? 

 

Edited August 27, 2018 by pogi

[Tacenda]

11 hours ago, pogi said:

Almost all of those settlements are for off-label promotion and for kickbacks. Only one or two are for not listing potential side effects.

We all know that big pharma is all about the money, but you at least know what you are paying for, and you know that it has proven efficacy for approved-label use. Can you say the same thing about herbals?

As if herbal products are only promoting their products for proven uses!    Why would you trust them more?  Look at all of their bogus claims, their tainted products, their dangerous unlisted fillers which can lead to anaphylaxis, their potentially life threatening side-effects (not listed on product), potential interactions with medications (not listed).  Have you read ANY of the links that I have posted about severe kidney and liver damage, anaphylaxis and death?  Have you read any of the links about how they are selling you flour pills and telling you that it is something else?  Have you read any of the links about their tainted products which have caused severe illness?  Have you read about the recent illnesses in Utah from bogus CBD oil?  Do you really trust these companies?  Why?  Honestly, how can you say that you trust to get what you are paying for, and that it treats what they claim it will, and how can you know what the potential risks and side effects are? 

  

Do you honestly think that herbal companies are not ALL about the money too.  The difference is that they are unregulated, so they can get away with more deception, lies, dangerous practices in order to line their pockets.  

There are corrupt people in both industries, the question is whether you feel safer buying tested products from corrupt people in a regulated industry, or untested products from corrupt people in an unregulated industry? 

 

I'm not worried about herbal companies right now, I'm worried for those families that need cannabis right now! Not 10 - 15 years from now. And prop 2 isn't about recreational use at all. The group against prop 2 are liars when they say this. But maybe these families would be better in another state if they're able to financially handle the move because Utah definitely doesn't know how to separate church and state.  

And there are many uses for cannabis, so many. Why would anyone want to narrow that down to a very few? Have you read Prop 2?  https://ballotpedia.org/Utah_Proposition_2,_Medical_Marijuana_Initiative_(2018)

I bet it must feel good to live in a state the has medical cannabis, just in case you may need it. Do you have any pain? Do you have MS? Do you have cancer? Do you have neuropathy? Do you have anxiety? Do you have depression? Do you have PTSD? Do you have an addiction of alcohol/drugs/opiods? Do you have skin cancer? Do you have Alzheimer's? These and many more conditions can be helped by cannabis, not from big pharma with horrible side affects. The THC can be used without the high. These can be put in capsule or tinctures w/o smoking it. 

Why in the world are we against this? For heaven sakes, people smoke marijuana right now when it is illegal. 

[Tacenda]

Study shows California teen use of Marijuana went down after legalization, interesting.

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/teen-marijuana-use-is-down-in-california-following-legalization-state-funded-study-shows/

Steep Cannabis Use Drops Across All Grades

	Grade 7		Grade 9		Grade 11
	2013-2015	2015-2017	2013-2015	2015-2017	2013-2015	2015-2017
Current marijuana use, past 30 days (%)	5.0	2.3	13.4	9.5	20.1	16.7
Ever used marijuana	7.9	4.2	23.1	17.4	37.9	31.9

California student marijuana use survey results, in percentages.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Tacenda

[RevTestament]

9 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Study shows California teen use of Marijuana went down after legalization, interesting.

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/teen-marijuana-use-is-down-in-california-following-legalization-state-funded-study-shows/

Steep Cannabis Use Drops Across All Grades

	Grade 7		Grade 9		Grade 11
	2013-2015	2015-2017	2013-2015	2015-2017	2013-2015	2015-2017
Current marijuana use, past 30 days (%)	5.0	2.3	13.4	9.5	20.1	16.7
Ever used marijuana	7.9	4.2	23.1	17.4	37.9	31.9

California student marijuana use survey results, in percentages.

The researchers actually noted that teen use of marijuana was already declining before legalization in Ca. My guess is the public is becoming better educated about the adverse effects of recreational marijuana use - esp on developing brains, and that parents are discouraging its use in their children. However, the use in the last two High School grades still seems high to me, and the percentage decline in use is not as high for those age students. 

[RevTestament]

On 8/24/2018 at 3:19 PM, Calm said:

Side effects of epidiolex (wonder how long it will take for this to start triggering 403 page?):

Marijuana side effects:

"Use of marijuana can cause dry mouth, nausea, vomiting, dry or red eyes, heart and blood pressure problems, lung problems, impaired mental functioning, headache, dizziness, numbness, panic reactions, hallucinations, flashbacks, depression, and sexual problems.

Pregnancy: Marijuana is UNSAFE when taken by mouth or smoked during pregnancy. Marijuana passes through the placenta and can slow the growth of the fetus. Marijuana use during pregnancy is also associated with childhood leukemia and abnormalities in the fetus.

Breast-feeding: Using marijuana, either by mouth or by inhalation is LIKELY UNSAFEduring breast-feeding. The dronabinol (THC) in marijuana passes into breast milk and extensive marijuana use during breast-feeding may result in slowed development in the baby.

Heart disease: Marijuana might cause rapid heartbeat, short-term high blood pressure. It might also increase the risk of a having heart attack.

A weakened immune system: Cannabinoids in marijuana can weaken the immune system, which might make it more difficult for the body to fight infections.

Lung diseases: Long-term use of marijuana can make lung problems worse. Regular, long-term marijuana use has been associated with lung cancer and also with several cases of an unusual type of emphysema, a lung disease.

Seizure disorders: Marijuana might make seizure disorders worse in some people; in other people it might help to control seizures.

Surgery: Marijuana affects the central nervous system. It might slow the central nervous system too much when combined with anesthesia and other medications during and after surgery. Stop using marijuana at least 2 weeks before a scheduled surgery."

https://www.webmd.com/vitamins/ai/ingredientmono-947/marijuana

It would appear that most of the side effects are because epidolex is marijuana based or high CBD content (thus marijuana with similar content would tend to result in the same side effects).

I'm sure those side effects are from CBD. It will be interesting to see how long Epidiolex stays on the market. I think it mostly was pursued due to the legal problems with THC containing cannabis. However, numerous international studies seem to indicate broad spectrum medical cannabis is more efficacious at treating seizures than CBD alone. Of course Edidiolex is targeted to a limited range of seizure patients as well, so comparing the two is not a direct apple to apple comparison. 

Quote

A team of Brazilian researchers conducted a meta-analysis of studies from 2013 to 2017 that have explored the therapeutic benefits of CBD for epilepsy patients. The results were published in the journal Frontiers In Neurology last week.

While the main purpose of the review was to determine the safety and efficacy of CBD for certain forms of epilepsy, the researchers also distinguished between CBD-rich cannabis extracts and purified CBD products, which contain only trace amounts of other cannabinoids, if any.

Consistent with a growing body of scientific research, the study found that CBD treatment reduces the frequency of seizures, even among patients with treatment-resistant forms of epilepsy. About two-thirds of patients included in studies under review had fewer seizures—and six out of 11 those studies “showed over 80 percent of the patients reporting improvement.”

But in the studies where patients received CBD-rich extracts, that improvement was even greater.

Seventy-one percent of patients treated with CBD-rich extracts reported improvements, compared to just 36 percent of patients who received purified CBD products. 

https://www.marijuanamoment.net/whole-plant-marijuana-entourage-effect-helps-patients-more-than-purified-cbd-study-finds/

Of course, if it was smoked, I think the list of harmful side effects would be greater, but it seems to me that if I were a seizure patient, I would like to be able to legally try/vape a whole plant product such as AC-DC. I think success of Epidiolex will definitely bring more attention to this matter.

[Kenngo1969]

53 minutes ago, RevTestament said:

...(I)f I were a seizure patient, I would like to be able to legally try/vape a whole plant product such as AC-DC. [Emphasis added by Kenngo1969.] I think success of Epidiolex will definitely bring more attention to this matter.

Does this help?   

Sorry.   Couldn't resist!  

[RevTestament]

12 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Does this help?   

Sorry.   Couldn't resist!  

I don't know how that strain of medical cannabis got that name... I never cared for AC/DC. Now if they were to call it Cheap Trick, they might have something... Maybe I'll just have to breed a new strain of cannibus...

My strain will be better of course - doubly potent.... a double decker... 

[pogi]

Good news:

Quote

 

Gov. Gary Herbert said Thursday he wants the Legislature to take action on medical marijuana regardless of what happens in November with the proposition on the ballot.

"I think I'm in a position to get this done," Herbert told reporters after the taping of his monthly news conference on KUED Ch. 7. He said he would use his office's "bully pulpit" to come up with a compromise lawmakers will pass.

During the program, the governor again said he will vote against Proposition 2, a citizens' initiative to legalize medical marijuana, noting "most rational people understand there are some problems" with it.

He said lawmakers could come up with a "common-sense position" on using marijuana to relieve pain and suffering without promoting recreational use, including having county health departments serving as dispensaries.

Legislative action will be needed whether or not voters approve Proposition 2, Herbert said.

Proposition 2 is opposed by a coalition of church, civic, business and law enforcement officials that includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The church sent an email to members last week urging them to vote no.

The email, from Elder Craig C. Christensen, a General Authority Seventy and president of the Utah Area of the church, also asked members to join "in a call to state elected officials to promptly work with medical experts, patients and community leaders to find a solution that will work for all Utahns, without the harmful effects that will come to pass if Proposition 2 becomes law."

Herbert expressed frustration that Congress "sat on its hindquarters" for years rather than take action to allow for research into medical marijuana so it could be treated as a medicine, prescribed by doctors and distributed by pharmacists.

"Let's start now," he said, adding he will be OK with Utah moving forward on medical marijuana even if Washington does nothing.

"I will, absolutely," the governor said. While he said he'd prefer a "dual-track" approach with Congress, states needs to play the cards they've been dealt on the issue.

https://www.ksl.com/article/46383584/gov-herbert-says-hell-use-bully-pulpit-to-get-lawmakers-to-act-on-medical-marijuana

 

Vote NO on prop 2!  

Ideally we would want Washington to take the first steps and declassify marijuana as a schedule I drug , but this seems like a reasonable compromise.  A much better approach then prop 2 anyway!

[provoman]

5 minutes ago, pogi said:

Good news:

Vote NO on prop 2!  

Ideally we would want Washington to take the first steps and declassify marijuana as a schedule I drug , but this seems like a reasonable compromise.  A much better approach then prop 2 anyway!

Vote YES, the State  legislature had their mutliple chances, the fear mongering of a law firm isnt a sound basis to oppose sonething beneficial and UTAH Constitution Article 1 Secrion4 

Edited August 30, 2018 by provoman

[Tacenda]

4 minutes ago, provoman said:

Vote YES, the State  legislature had their mutliple chances, the fear mongering of a law firm isnt a sound basis to oppose sonething beneficial and UTAH Constitution Article 1 Secrion4 

You said it provoman, little do people realize.

[pogi]

4 minutes ago, provoman said:

... isnt a sound basis to oppose sonething beneficial 

"beneficial" is the questionable word here.  Marijuana is not intrinsically linked to prop 2. Because marijuana may be beneficial, does not mean that prop 2 is beneficial.  Big difference.  I think it is reasonable to expect a better alternative given the expectation of immediate action from the church, and now the governor as well. 

[provoman]

13 minutes ago, pogi said:

"beneficial" is the questionable word here.  Marijuana is not intrinsically linked to prop 2. Because marijuana may be beneficial, does not mean that prop 2 is beneficial.  Big difference.  I think it is reasonable to expect a better alternative given the expectation of immediate action from the church, and now the governor as well. 

please see utah constitution art 1 section 4

[pogi]

3 minutes ago, provoman said:

please see utah constitution art 1 section 4

Relevance?

[RevTestament]

38 minutes ago, pogi said:

Good news:

https://www.ksl.com/article/46383584/gov-herbert-says-hell-use-bully-pulpit-to-get-lawmakers-to-act-on-medical-marijuana

Vote NO on prop 2!  

Ideally we would want Washington to take the first steps and declassify marijuana as a schedule I drug , but this seems like a reasonable compromise.  A much better approach then prop 2 anyway!

That is good news, and is exactly what I suggested earlier in this or another thread on medical cannabis. Since it is looking like Prop 2 might pass, the best solution is to steal its thunder with a better bill. If that doesn't happen, the state might turn into Colorado quickly. The best solution is to allow medical cannabis, and keep out the psychoactive THC strains. i think that is really the best of both worlds. Anyone who sells cannabis should be subject to state regulation processes. Maybe we could also try letting individuals grow their own for their own medical use.

[provoman]

50 minutes ago, provoman said:

please see utah constitution art 1 section 4

 

46 minutes ago, pogi said:

Relevance?

Article 1 Section 4, relevant part

There shall be no union of Church and State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its functions. 

[Kenngo1969]

11 hours ago, RevTestament said:

I don't know how that strain of medical cannabis got that name... I never cared for AC/DC. Now if they were to call it Cheap Trick, they might have something... Maybe I'll just have to breed a new strain of cannibus...

My strain will be better of course - doubly potent.... a double decker... 

Well-played, Sir!  Well-played!  It's about time someone besides Yours Truly trotted out the Cannibus [sic]!   I am truly impressed with the one-upmanship demonstrated by the double-decker Cannibus [sic].  I do have a question, though.  Are users segregated from non-users on the double-decker Cannibus [sic]?  If so, do non-users have dibs on the lower level, or on the upper level?  It's probably best if users are confined to the upper level; otherwise, non-users risk getting a contact/proximity high as users' smoke wafts from the lower level to the upper level!  

Edited August 31, 2018 by Kenngo1969

[pogi]

On 8/30/2018 at 6:00 PM, provoman said:

 

Article 1 Section 4, relevant part

There shall be no union of Church and State, nor shall any church dominate the State or interfere with its functions. 

Sorry, I still fail to see how this is relevant to the article I posted.