"LDS Church: Legal analysis raises concerns about Utah medical marijuana initiative"

[MustardSeed]

Oh boy.  I’m sorry for those who suffer who could find relief.  I have had a handful of friends die of cancer and in the last months the natural anxiety reducing agents in cannabis was the only thing that helped with the torture of knowing death was nigh. 

Utah, you’re left with your righteous oxy. 

[Kenngo1969]

Quote

 

THC is needed for many things. This is the latest find, THC is absolutely necessary for the prevention of [Alzheimer's]

https://www.sciencealert.com/marijuana-compound-thc-removes-toxic-alzheimer-protein-from-brain

And more red tape will not help those that need help now.

 

"But, Ken, only marijuana will do the trick!"

"But, Ken, only whole plant marijuana will do the trick!"

"But, Ken, only whole plant marijuana will do the trick, and only if you smoke it!"*

*These kinds of disingenuous arguments tell me everything I need to know about what's really going on here.  As far as I'm concerned, I think sincere proponents of medicinal legalization are probably being used as pawns by those whose real aim is full, unfettered recreational legalization, and I think that once we sow that wind, inevitably, we'll reap the whirlwind.  But that's another subject for another day. Leaving that aside, I offer the following

For Your Consideration.

And as far as your PEOPLE NEED HELP NOW schtick, if some drug(s) purporting to help all of the things Miracle Marijuana is purported to help had been hastily approved without going through the usual process (after all, PEOPLE NEED HELP NOW) but, actually, a direct causal link had been found that shows that the drug or drugs was or were actually killing people left and right (and yes, for purposes of this paragraph, I will concede that Miracle Marijuana, by contrast, is actually as harmless as all of its proponents say it is and has never harmed a soul: I'm simply using the hasty approval process hypothetical because  PEOPLE NEED HELP NOW), why do I suspect that you'd be one of the first people screaming bloody murder?

As as far as Miracle Marijuana never having actually hurt a soul, personally, I'm convinced that once legalization proponents get their way, Miracle Marijuana will become on a par with alcohol for killing people, we simply won't be able to prove how many people it has killed because, unlike alcohol, whose effects are measurable and predictable, no one knows what a "safe level" of Miracle Marijuana is for, e.g., operating a motor vehicle.

Edited December 5, 2018 by Kenngo1969

[Kenngo1969]

12 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Oh boy.  I’m sorry for those who suffer who could find relief.  I have had a handful of friends die of cancer and in the last months the natural anxiety reducing agents in cannabis was [sic] the only thing that helped with the torture of knowing death was nigh. 

Utah, you’re left with your righteous oxy. 

While I suppose we can argue all day long about the implications of Proposition 2's passage, and whether we're enroute from sowing the wind to reaping the whirlwind, perhaps you didn't get the memorandum, but the proposition passed, MustardSeed.  I'm sorry for the loss of your friends.  It's too bad that, apparently, the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ could not or did not help in that regard.

[bluebell]

@MustardSeed and @Tacenda did you guys see this-

Utah Governor Signs Prop 2 Compromise into Law

Here are some interesting points, but I'm not quoting the entire article.

Passing with more than two-thirds support allows the new bill to go into effect immediately, said Senate President Wayne Niederhauser. Gov. Gary Herbert announced Monday evening he had signed the bill, saying Utah "now has the best-designed medical cannabis program in the country."

"Working with trained medical professionals, qualified patients in Utah will be able to receive quality-controlled cannabis products from a licensed pharmacist in medical dosage form. And this will be done in a way that prevents diversion of product into a black market.

"This is an example of how collaboration makes Utah the best-managed state in the nation. Proponents and opponents came together to honor the voice of Utah voters who compassionately stood up for Utah patients. They provided for access to medical cannabis, while closing loopholes that have created significant problems in other states that have legalized medical cannabis."

and

The decisive votes Monday come about two months after major players for and against Proposition 2 announced an agreement to support the core contents of a sweeping compromise bill that would essentially replace the initiative. At the same time, Herbert announced he would call a special session to get the compromise legislation passed.

In a statement Monday evening, Marty Stephens, director of community and government relations for the church, said, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints welcomed the opportunity to participate in a broad community effort to alleviate pain and suffering.

and

"Today the passage of the Utah Medical Cannabis Act once again shows how organizations with diverse interests can come together to resolve difficult issues for the benefit of those who suffer while simultaneously protecting our children. We thank the leadership of the state, the medical professionals, patients advocates, law enforcement and the many others who made this effort possible."

Hughes told his fellow lawmakers he is proud of the efforts that brought together opposing sides and crafted a bill that each could hold up as worth supporting. He said he also stands by the process of refining the compromise, which involved multiple, lengthy public hearings, as well as private meetings between legislators.

and

Proposition 2, which became law Saturday and made medical marijuana available to patients with certain qualifying illnesses, passed with support from nearly 53 percent of Utah voters.

The compromise bill sponsored by Hughes proposes significant changes to how medical marijuana could legally be recommended, sold and consumed. It removes a hotly contested provision allowing patients living a certain distance from a dispensary to grow up to six marijuana plants.

It also narrows a controversial provision that gives a person an "affirmative defense" to marijuana use or possession charges if they can prove their medical need despite not possessing a medical cannabis card.

and

So, when may Utahns legally use medical cannabis?

"Right now," Hughes said. "It is no longer illegal in the eyes of the state to access medical cannabis."

A resident, though, must be under the supervision of a doctor who recommended medical marijuana and the drug must be taken in dosage form. That means eligible patients under could go to neighboring Colorado or Nevada and bring medical marijuana into the state without violating Utah law.

Hughes said police might cite people for marijuana possession even under those circumstances, but if they can prove they were meeting the requirements, "you are not committing a crime."

Edited December 4, 2018 by bluebell

[MustardSeed]

2 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

While I suppose we can argue all day long about the implications of Proposition 2's passage, and whether we're enroute from sowing the wind to reaping the whirlwind, perhaps you didn't get the memorandum, but the proposition passed, MustardSeed.  I'm sorry for the loss of your friends.  It's too bad that, apparently, the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ could not or did not help in that regard.

I misunderstood the previous post.  And you caught my grammar error.  I should be more careful here. 

I suspect we are both correct in our thoughts and feelings about cannabis. 

I live in a legal state.  I don’t like the abuse of any drug, including alcohol .  A massive percent of humans don’t have the maturity to use substances responsibly. 

But when someone is in pain and suffering, I don’t see the difference “morally” between the drug cannabis and every other prescribed med. When I have my turn with cancer, I will likely use what works to ease my suffering while dying. I have never touched alcohol or even coffee.  I’m a rule follower. But cancer....Nope.  

I used to be opposed to it for lots of reasons. And it has caused problems for people in my family and community.  That said, a few years ago I suffered something called Adhesive Capsulitis in my shoulder for 8 months.   It was the worst 24 hour pain of my life.  I recall sitting in a restaurant in the early stages, reaching for my check and being zinged with a pain that gripped me so terribly that I sat there quietly with tears running down my face.  I was with my boss and his wife, and didn’t want to make a scene.  When I found out what I had and that there would be no relief I went into a depression of sorts, getting  zero sleep and no relief from any otc drugs.  I was afraid to use prescription meds as I knew this was a long term condition.  

My experience changed me in that I came to have more compassion for others and their physical pain, and if I were to do it over I would not hesitate to at the very least use CBD which at the time was legal but I was afraid to do something “wrong” .  After seeing it help my dying friend who’s anxiety was unbearable, and after watching two others die and suffer so grievously I decided then that my views had changed.  

I’ve still never used it, but when the time comes, I want the option to say yes or no. 

 

Edited December 4, 2018 by MustardSeed

[provoman]

12 minutes ago, bluebell said:

@MustardSeed and @Tacenda did you guys see this-

Utah Governor Signs Prop 2 Compromise into Law

Here are some interesting points, but I'm not quoting the entire article.

Passing with more than two-thirds support allows the new bill to go into effect immediately, said Senate President Wayne Niederhauser. Gov. Gary Herbert announced Monday evening he had signed the bill, saying Utah "now has the best-designed medical cannabis program in the country."

"Working with trained medical professionals, qualified patients in Utah will be able to receive quality-controlled cannabis products from a licensed pharmacist in medical dosage form. And this will be done in a way that prevents diversion of product into a black market.

"This is an example of how collaboration makes Utah the best-managed state in the nation. Proponents and opponents came together to honor the voice of Utah voters who compassionately stood up for Utah patients. They provided for access to medical cannabis, while closing loopholes that have created significant problems in other states that have legalized medical cannabis."

and

The decisive votes Monday come about two months after major players for and against Proposition 2 announced an agreement to support the core contents of a sweeping compromise bill that would essentially replace the initiative. At the same time, Herbert announced he would call a special session to get the compromise legislation passed.

In a statement Monday evening, Marty Stephens, director of community and government relations for the church, said, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints welcomed the opportunity to participate in a broad community effort to alleviate pain and suffering.

and

"Today the passage of the Utah Medical Cannabis Act once again shows how organizations with diverse interests can come together to resolve difficult issues for the benefit of those who suffer while simultaneously protecting our children. We thank the leadership of the state, the medical professionals, patients advocates, law enforcement and the many others who made this effort possible."

Hughes told his fellow lawmakers he is proud of the efforts that brought together opposing sides and crafted a bill that each could hold up as worth supporting. He said he also stands by the process of refining the compromise, which involved multiple, lengthy public hearings, as well as private meetings between legislators.

and

Proposition 2, which became law Saturday and made medical marijuana available to patients with certain qualifying illnesses, passed with support from nearly 53 percent of Utah voters.

The compromise bill sponsored by Hughes proposes significant changes to how medical marijuana could legally be recommended, sold and consumed. It removes a hotly contested provision allowing patients living a certain distance from a dispensary to grow up to six marijuana plants.

It also narrows a controversial provision that gives a person an "affirmative defense" to marijuana use or possession charges if they can prove their medical need despite not possessing a medical cannabis card.

and

So, when may Utahns legally use medical cannabis?

"Right now," Hughes said. "It is no longer illegal in the eyes of the state to access medical cannabis."

A resident, though, must be under the supervision of a doctor who recommended medical marijuana and the drug must be taken in dosage form. That means eligible patients under could go to neighboring Colorado or Nevada and bring medical marijuana into the state without violating Utah law.

Hughes said police might cite people for marijuana possession even under those circumstances, but if they can prove they were meeting the requirements, "you are not committing a crime."

This is not directed at you Bluebell...but that article seems nothing more than blovations of a person who knows deep down the did wrong

[Calm]

Does it say what hoops patients have to jump through to qualify and for what are the qualifying illnesses?  Is there somewhere to go for good info, not just vague applause?

My daughter is having quite a bit of success with ketamine treatment.  Doesn't work the same but if it can help her extend the time of treatment which is currently all out of pocket, it would be very helpful.

Edited December 4, 2018 by Calm

[MustardSeed]

2 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

  I'm sorry for the loss of your friends.  It's too bad that, apparently, the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ could not or did not help in that regard.

Thank you for the sentiment of sorrow.  Not sure what you are saying about the gospel not helping?  These were faithful righteous women. I don’t judge their fears, for their children, their pain,  and the unknown. 

Admittedly I read your statement here (of course the gospel brings relief!) along with your “sic” as condescending, seeing as how the forums system of quotation already indicates the grammatical error as all mine and not yours. If I am misinterpreting this, I’ll be glad to know.  

 

Edited December 4, 2018 by MustardSeed

[Tacenda]

46 minutes ago, bluebell said:

@MustardSeed and @Tacenda did you guys see this-

Utah Governor Signs Prop 2 Compromise into Law

Here are some interesting points, but I'm not quoting the entire article.

Passing with more than two-thirds support allows the new bill to go into effect immediately, said Senate President Wayne Niederhauser. Gov. Gary Herbert announced Monday evening he had signed the bill, saying Utah "now has the best-designed medical cannabis program in the country."

"Working with trained medical professionals, qualified patients in Utah will be able to receive quality-controlled cannabis products from a licensed pharmacist in medical dosage form. And this will be done in a way that prevents diversion of product into a black market.

"This is an example of how collaboration makes Utah the best-managed state in the nation. Proponents and opponents came together to honor the voice of Utah voters who compassionately stood up for Utah patients. They provided for access to medical cannabis, while closing loopholes that have created significant problems in other states that have legalized medical cannabis."

and

The decisive votes Monday come about two months after major players for and against Proposition 2 announced an agreement to support the core contents of a sweeping compromise bill that would essentially replace the initiative. At the same time, Herbert announced he would call a special session to get the compromise legislation passed.

In a statement Monday evening, Marty Stephens, director of community and government relations for the church, said, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints welcomed the opportunity to participate in a broad community effort to alleviate pain and suffering.

and

"Today the passage of the Utah Medical Cannabis Act once again shows how organizations with diverse interests can come together to resolve difficult issues for the benefit of those who suffer while simultaneously protecting our children. We thank the leadership of the state, the medical professionals, patients advocates, law enforcement and the many others who made this effort possible."

Hughes told his fellow lawmakers he is proud of the efforts that brought together opposing sides and crafted a bill that each could hold up as worth supporting. He said he also stands by the process of refining the compromise, which involved multiple, lengthy public hearings, as well as private meetings between legislators.

and

Proposition 2, which became law Saturday and made medical marijuana available to patients with certain qualifying illnesses, passed with support from nearly 53 percent of Utah voters.

The compromise bill sponsored by Hughes proposes significant changes to how medical marijuana could legally be recommended, sold and consumed. It removes a hotly contested provision allowing patients living a certain distance from a dispensary to grow up to six marijuana plants.

It also narrows a controversial provision that gives a person an "affirmative defense" to marijuana use or possession charges if they can prove their medical need despite not possessing a medical cannabis card.

and

So, when may Utahns legally use medical cannabis?

"Right now," Hughes said. "It is no longer illegal in the eyes of the state to access medical cannabis."

A resident, though, must be under the supervision of a doctor who recommended medical marijuana and the drug must be taken in dosage form. That means eligible patients under could go to neighboring Colorado or Nevada and bring medical marijuana into the state without violating Utah law.

Hughes said police might cite people for marijuana possession even under those circumstances, but if they can prove they were meeting the requirements, "you are not committing a crime."

The thing is, they cut out autoimmune diseases. Which is ridiculous to cut out so many that are in need. The very long list is below and it's reprehensible that they hurt so many by doing that. Also, cutting down the ability to buy. One dispensary per 150,000? And if I got it right, also requiring a pharmacist to dispense is crazy as well, when so many other well researched and experienced people could do the job better.

Achalasia

Addison’s disease

Adult Still's disease

Agammaglobulinemia

Alopecia areata

Amyloidosis

Ankylosing spondylitis

Anti-GBM/Anti-TBM nephritis

Antiphospholipid syndrome

Autoimmune angioedema

Autoimmune dysautonomia

Autoimmune encephalomyelitis

Autoimmune hepatitis

Autoimmune inner ear disease (AIED)

Autoimmune myocarditis

Autoimmune oophoritis

Autoimmune orchitis

Autoimmune pancreatitis

Autoimmune retinopathy

Autoimmune urticaria

Axonal & neuronal neuropathy (AMAN)

Baló disease

Behcet’s disease

Benign mucosal pemphigoid

Bullous pemphigoid

Castleman disease (CD)

Celiac disease

Chagas disease

Chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP)

Chronic recurrent multifocal osteomyelitis (CRMO)

Churg-Strauss Syndrome (CSS) or Eosinophilic Granulomatosis (EGPA)

Cicatricial pemphigoid

Cogan’s syndrome

Cold agglutinin disease

Congenital heart block

Coxsackie myocarditis

CREST syndrome

Crohn’s disease

Dermatitis herpetiformis

Dermatomyositis

Devic’s disease (neuromyelitis optica)

Discoid lupus

Dressler’s syndrome

Endometriosis

Eosinophilic esophagitis (EoE)

Eosinophilic fasciitis

Erythema nodosum

Essential mixed cryoglobulinemia

Evans syndrome

Fibromyalgia

Fibrosing alveolitis

Giant cell arteritis (temporal arteritis)

Giant cell myocarditis

Glomerulonephritis

Goodpasture’s syndrome

Granulomatosis with Polyangiitis

Graves’ disease

Guillain-Barre syndrome

Hashimoto’s thyroiditis

Hemolytic anemia

Henoch-Schonlein purpura (HSP)

Herpes gestationis or pemphigoid gestationis (PG)

Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) (Acne Inversa)

Hypogammalglobulinemia

IgA Nephropathy

IgG4-related sclerosing disease

Immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP)

Inclusion body myositis (IBM)

Interstitial cystitis (IC)

Juvenile arthritis

Juvenile diabetes (Type 1 diabetes)

Juvenile myositis (JM)

Kawasaki disease

Lambert-Eaton syndrome

Leukocytoclastic vasculitis

Lichen planus

Lichen sclerosus

Ligneous conjunctivitis

Linear IgA disease (LAD)

Lupus

Lyme disease chronic

Meniere’s disease

Microscopic polyangiitis (MPA)

Mixed connective tissue disease (MCTD)

Mooren’s ulcer

Mucha-Habermann disease

Multifocal Motor Neuropathy (MMN) or MMNCB

Multiple sclerosis

Myasthenia gravis

Myositis

Narcolepsy

Neonatal Lupus

Neuromyelitis optica

Neutropenia

Ocular cicatricial pemphigoid

Optic neuritis

Palindromic rheumatism (PR)

PANDAS

Paraneoplastic cerebellar degeneration (PCD)

Paroxysmal nocturnal hemoglobinuria (PNH)

Parry Romberg syndrome

Pars planitis (peripheral uveitis)

Parsonage-Turner syndrome

Pemphigus

Peripheral neuropathy

Perivenous encephalomyelitis

Pernicious anemia (PA)

POEMS syndrome

Polyarteritis nodosa

Polyglandular syndromes type I, II, III

Polymyalgia rheumatica

Polymyositis

Postmyocardial infarction syndrome

Postpericardiotomy syndrome

Primary biliary cirrhosis

Primary sclerosing cholangitis

Progesterone dermatitis

Psoriasis

Psoriatic arthritis

Pure red cell aplasia (PRCA)

Pyoderma gangrenosum

Raynaud’s phenomenon

Reactive Arthritis

Reflex sympathetic dystrophy

Relapsing polychondritis

Restless legs syndrome (RLS)

Retroperitoneal fibrosis

Rheumatic fever

Rheumatoid arthritis

Sarcoidosis

Schmidt syndrome

Scleritis

Scleroderma

Sjögren’s syndrome

Sperm & testicular autoimmunity

Stiff person syndrome (SPS)

Subacute bacterial endocarditis (SBE)

Susac’s syndrome

Sympathetic ophthalmia (SO)

Takayasu’s arteritis

Temporal arteritis/Giant cell arteritis

Thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP)

Tolosa-Hunt syndrome (THS)

Transverse myelitis

Type 1 diabetes

Ulcerative colitis (UC)

Undifferentiated connective tissue disease (UCTD)

Uveitis

Vasculitis

Vitiligo

Vogt-Koyanagi-Harada Disease

Note, I have a good friend that has to take meds that cause terrible side affects for restless leg syndrome, and it's an autoimmune disease, so bummer for her.

ETA: This is the list we've been stuck with and I understand they may make exceptions:

HIV

Alzheimer's disease

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)

Cancer

Physical wasting

Persistent nausea

Crohn’s disease

Epilepsy

Multiple sclerosis (MS)

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

Edited December 4, 2018 by Tacenda

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

It's too bad that, apparently, the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ could not or did not help in that regard.

The anxiety of her friends may have had little to do with belief and much to do with physical reactions of their body which then latches on to triggers or the things we know we can't control.  I just had my first anxiety attack in years about leaving the house yesterday and realized I had forgotten my thyroid supp for a week or more when for some reason it didn't get home with the rest of the meds.

And I can imagine there is little worse then feeling you are leaving your family behind to cope with the pain of your loss even if you believe life will be better for you.  That fear of how my loss would cripple my child is what stopped me from doing more than just elaborate fantasies of suicide for several days (always be careful with mind altering drugs even if prescribed and relatively harmless before).

Edited December 4, 2018 by Calm

[MustardSeed]

deleted to say instead:

I understand the fear of legalization.  In many ways, my state’s legalization has required a price tag. I personally have paid a price.  I get it. 

I still hope for the option for those who can benefit from it. 

Edited December 4, 2018 by MustardSeed

[webbles]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

The thing is, they cut out autoimmune diseases. Which is ridiculous to cut out so many that are in need. Here is  list and it's reprehensible that they hurt so many by doing that. Also, cutting down the ability to buy. One dispensary per 150,000? And if I got it right, also requiring a pharmacist to dispense is crazy as well, when so many other well researched and experienced people could do the job better.

The one dispensary per 150,000 is from the original proposition.  From your article:

Quote

He says under Prop 2, dispensaries would be scattered across the state. It provides for one dispensary for every 150,000 in population.

"We anticipated between 15 and 20 statewide, privately owned dispensaries where if you get a recommend you can walk in and basically buy anything you want," said Boyack.

Under the latest replacement bill, that would be reduced to seven dispensaries, but it would also include a government-run delivery system for those that don't live near one.

This bill reduces it to 7 dispensaries (about half of what Prop 2 asked for, so 1 per 300,000?) but adds the delivery system which didn't exist in Prop 2.

 

They did remove autoimmune disease but also added in provisions for hospice and terminal care which wasn't in Prop 2.  From your article:

Quote

Boyack says the reason is to remove open-ended possibilities and points out terminal and hospice are added as conditions under the bill.

 

https://libertasutah.org/blog/improvements-in-the-medical-cannabis-compromise/ is a post on why the compromise actual includes some improvements that are good.  And it also mentions that the compromise bill isn't really that much worse than Prop 2:

Quote

Critics are quick to suggest that this new proposal is substantially worse for patients than Prop 2. And yet, Americans for Safe Access—a national medical cannabis advocacy organization—scored both legal proposals and found that the agreement was only 4% worse on their scoring index compared to Prop 2. That’s hardly the drastic difference some are suggesting.

 

[Calm]

21 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

The thing is, they cut out autoimmune diseases. Which is ridiculous to cut out so many that are in need. Here is  list and it's reprehensible that they hurt so many by doing that. Also, cutting down the ability to buy. One dispensary per 150,000? And if I got it right, also requiring a pharmacist to dispense is crazy as well, when so many other well researched and experienced people could do the job better.

Achalasia

Addison’s disease

Adult Still's disease

Agammaglobulinemia

Alopecia areata

Amyloidosis

Ankylosing spondylitis

Anti-GBM/Anti-TBM nephritis

Antiphospholipid syndrome

Autoimmune angioedema

Autoimmune dysautonomia

Autoimmune encephalomyelitis

Autoimmune hepatitis

Autoimmune inner ear disease (AIED)

Autoimmune myocarditis

Autoimmune oophoritis

Autoimmune orchitis

Autoimmune pancreatitis

Autoimmune retinopathy

Autoimmune urticaria

Axonal & neuronal neuropathy (AMAN)

Baló disease

Behcet’s disease

Benign mucosal pemphigoid

Bullous pemphigoid

Castleman disease (CD)

Celiac disease

Chagas disease

Chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP)

Chronic recurrent multifocal osteomyelitis (CRMO)

Churg-Strauss Syndrome (CSS) or Eosinophilic Granulomatosis (EGPA)

Cicatricial pemphigoid

Cogan’s syndrome

Cold agglutinin disease

Congenital heart block

Coxsackie myocarditis

CREST syndrome

Crohn’s disease

Dermatitis herpetiformis

Dermatomyositis

Devic’s disease (neuromyelitis optica)

Discoid lupus

Dressler’s syndrome

Endometriosis

Eosinophilic esophagitis (EoE)

Eosinophilic fasciitis

Erythema nodosum

Essential mixed cryoglobulinemia

Evans syndrome

Fibromyalgia

Fibrosing alveolitis

Giant cell arteritis (temporal arteritis)

Giant cell myocarditis

Glomerulonephritis

Goodpasture’s syndrome

Granulomatosis with Polyangiitis

Graves’ disease

Guillain-Barre syndrome

Hashimoto’s thyroiditis

Hemolytic anemia

Henoch-Schonlein purpura (HSP)

Herpes gestationis or pemphigoid gestationis (PG)

Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) (Acne Inversa)

Hypogammalglobulinemia

IgA Nephropathy

IgG4-related sclerosing disease

Immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP)

Inclusion body myositis (IBM)

Interstitial cystitis (IC)

Juvenile arthritis

Juvenile diabetes (Type 1 diabetes)

Juvenile myositis (JM)

Kawasaki disease

Lambert-Eaton syndrome

Leukocytoclastic vasculitis

Lichen planus

Lichen sclerosus

Ligneous conjunctivitis

Linear IgA disease (LAD)

Lupus

Lyme disease chronic

Meniere’s disease

Microscopic polyangiitis (MPA)

Mixed connective tissue disease (MCTD)

Mooren’s ulcer

Mucha-Habermann disease

Multifocal Motor Neuropathy (MMN) or MMNCB

Multiple sclerosis

Myasthenia gravis

Myositis

Narcolepsy

Neonatal Lupus

Neuromyelitis optica

Neutropenia

Ocular cicatricial pemphigoid

Optic neuritis

Palindromic rheumatism (PR)

PANDAS

Paraneoplastic cerebellar degeneration (PCD)

Paroxysmal nocturnal hemoglobinuria (PNH)

Parry Romberg syndrome

Pars planitis (peripheral uveitis)

Parsonage-Turner syndrome

Pemphigus

Peripheral neuropathy

Perivenous encephalomyelitis

Pernicious anemia (PA)

POEMS syndrome

Polyarteritis nodosa

Polyglandular syndromes type I, II, III

Polymyalgia rheumatica

Polymyositis

Postmyocardial infarction syndrome

Postpericardiotomy syndrome

Primary biliary cirrhosis

Primary sclerosing cholangitis

Progesterone dermatitis

Psoriasis

Psoriatic arthritis

Pure red cell aplasia (PRCA)

Pyoderma gangrenosum

Raynaud’s phenomenon

Reactive Arthritis

Reflex sympathetic dystrophy

Relapsing polychondritis

Restless legs syndrome (RLS)

Retroperitoneal fibrosis

Rheumatic fever

Rheumatoid arthritis

Sarcoidosis

Schmidt syndrome

Scleritis

Scleroderma

Sjögren’s syndrome

Sperm & testicular autoimmunity

Stiff person syndrome (SPS)

Subacute bacterial endocarditis (SBE)

Susac’s syndrome

Sympathetic ophthalmia (SO)

Takayasu’s arteritis

Temporal arteritis/Giant cell arteritis

Thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP)

Tolosa-Hunt syndrome (THS)

Transverse myelitis

Type 1 diabetes

Ulcerative colitis (UC)

Undifferentiated connective tissue disease (UCTD)

Uveitis

Vasculitis

Vitiligo

Vogt-Koyanagi-Harada Disease

More information in this news article: https://www.abc4.com/news/local-news/distribution-eligible-conditions-among-sticking-points-of-medical-cannabis-compromise/1622689774

Are these allowed or removed?  What is allowed?  

Edited December 4, 2018 by Calm

[bluebell]

40 minutes ago, provoman said:

This is not directed at you Bluebell...but that article seems nothing more than blovations of a person who knows deep down the did wrong

The article was written by Ben Lockhart and Dennis Romboy, for KSL news.  I don't think that deep down they know they did something wrong. I also don't know that we can judge, by the governor's words, that he knows he did something wrong.  Or that the groups who were in support of Prop. 2 and also support the compromise, know deep down that they did wrong.

We can disagree with them, but I don't think we have any grounds to accuse them of lying.

[MustardSeed]

16 minutes ago, Calm said:

Are these allowed or removed?  What is allowed?  

Looks like perhaps only chrones and a few select others are allowed. I didn’t read the article carefully enough to remember. 

Edited to add

“Whereas Prop 2 allowed edibles, the bill largely prohibits them, although it does make an exception for gelatin cubes. The legislation also tweaks the list of illnesses that qualify for cannabis treatments, removing most autoimmune diseases except for Crohn’s disease and ulcerative colitis.” 

Edited December 4, 2018 by MustardSeed

[Tacenda]

42 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

I misunderstood the previous post.  And you caught my grammar error.  I should be more careful here. 

I suspect we are both correct in our thoughts and feelings about cannabis. 

I live in a legal state.  I don’t like the abuse of any drug, including alcohol .  A massive percent of humans don’t have the maturity to use substances responsibly. 

But when someone is in pain and suffering, I don’t see the difference “morally” between the drug cannabis and every other prescribed med. When I have my turn with cancer, I will likely use what works to ease my suffering while dying. I have never touched alcohol or even coffee.  I’m a rule follower. But cancer....Nope.  

I used to be opposed to it for lots of reasons. And it has caused problems for people in my family and community.  That said, a few years ago I suffered something called Adhesive Capsulitis in my shoulder for 8 months.   It was the worst 24 hour pain of my life.  I recall sitting in a restaurant in the early stages, reaching for my check and being zinged with a pain that gripped me so terribly that I sat there quietly with tears running down my face.  I was with my boss and his wife, and didn’t want to make a scene.  When I found out what I had and that there would be no relief I went into a depression of sorts, getting  zero sleep and no relief from any otc drugs.  I was afraid to use prescription meds as I knew this was a long term condition.  

My experience changed me in that I came to have more compassion for others and their physical pain, and if I were to do it over I would not hesitate to at the very least use CBD which at the time was legal but I was afraid to do something “wrong” .  After seeing it help my dying friend who’s anxiety was unbearable, and after watching two others die and suffer so grievously I decided then that my views had changed.  

I’ve still never used it, but when the time comes, I want the option to say yes or no. 

 

You sound like my husband who was in so much pain he considered suicide, and now says if he'd been able to he'd have used cannabis. I see Ken's points, but they aren't very rational. To cut out millions in favor of opioids? My words of course.

I have been helped by using CBD/THC oil for prevention of Alzheimer's. My mother got it when she was 62, or showed signs of it. And died of it at 75. I was desperate to try to prevent this, because without a doubt I will end my life if I get it. I saw too much and my mother was very brave, I'm not. So for me I was in for a big surprise! It helped with my anxiety, because I had it bad ever since taking meds for my hypo-thyroidism. Well, I decided to quit the meds after research of it's terrible side affects and thought the CBD/THC may help me. I got my doctor's permission to quit the meds and do a wait and see. Turns out I don't need the medication and my labs were on par for not needing them. And I drive again, where before I only took side roads to avoid the freeway. 

One thing I think is good about the new law is people will hopefully be given a break if caught using the oil with THC (me) and not thrown in jail or fined. It's time people take back their lives and not be beholden to governing agents that sometimes are in it for the wrong reasons. And like you, I was afraid to break any law. And believe it or not, so that I wouldn't get in trouble I went and did a dumb thing, I got tested for Alzheimer's. It wasn't a full blown test, but did enough harm that now I can't get long term insurance for the chance I may need it down the road.

I can't believe I did such a stupid thing like get tested because the insurance companies can get your medical records. Had I tried before to get that insurance before the Alzheimer's test, I would have had a chance. But I tested low enough that the insurance wouldn't take me. It was before I had taken the CBD/THC and now I totally believe I would test better because of my lack of anxiety and hypo-thyroidism. But again, I got tested for Alzheimer's in case I was caught using the oil, and then I could show that I was using it to prevent Alzheimer's. 

Sorry this is so long!

 

[Tacenda]

19 minutes ago, Calm said:

Are these allowed or removed?  What is allowed?  

That long list are not allowed, they are autoimmune diseases, so autoimmune diseases were cut, I just looked up a list and that long list are autoimmune diseases. I edited and added the allowed ones. Here they are, so such a short list are allowed: 

HIV

Alzheimer's disease

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)

Cancer

Physical wasting

Persistent nausea

Crohn’s disease

Epilepsy

Multiple sclerosis (MS)

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

Edited December 4, 2018 by Tacenda

[MustardSeed]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Sorry this is so long!

Everyone has a story.  When we understand, we make room for understanding and compassion even when we disagree.  

I read the whole thing.  Thanks for sharing yourself with us. 

[bluebell]

29 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

The thing is, they cut out autoimmune diseases. Which is ridiculous to cut out so many that are in need. The very long list is below and it's reprehensible that they hurt so many by doing that. Also, cutting down the ability to buy. One dispensary per 150,000? And if I got it right, also requiring a pharmacist to dispense is crazy as well, when so many other well researched and experienced people could do the job better.

Achalasia

Addison’s disease

Adult Still's disease

Agammaglobulinemia

Alopecia areata

Amyloidosis

Ankylosing spondylitis

Anti-GBM/Anti-TBM nephritis

Antiphospholipid syndrome

Autoimmune angioedema

Autoimmune dysautonomia

Autoimmune encephalomyelitis

Autoimmune hepatitis

Autoimmune inner ear disease (AIED)

Autoimmune myocarditis

Autoimmune oophoritis

Autoimmune orchitis

Autoimmune pancreatitis

Autoimmune retinopathy

Autoimmune urticaria

Axonal & neuronal neuropathy (AMAN)

Baló disease

Behcet’s disease

Benign mucosal pemphigoid

Bullous pemphigoid

Castleman disease (CD)

Celiac disease

Chagas disease

Chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy (CIDP)

Chronic recurrent multifocal osteomyelitis (CRMO)

Churg-Strauss Syndrome (CSS) or Eosinophilic Granulomatosis (EGPA)

Cicatricial pemphigoid

Cogan’s syndrome

Cold agglutinin disease

Congenital heart block

Coxsackie myocarditis

CREST syndrome

Crohn’s disease

Dermatitis herpetiformis

Dermatomyositis

Devic’s disease (neuromyelitis optica)

Discoid lupus

Dressler’s syndrome

Endometriosis

Eosinophilic esophagitis (EoE)

Eosinophilic fasciitis

Erythema nodosum

Essential mixed cryoglobulinemia

Evans syndrome

Fibromyalgia

Fibrosing alveolitis

Giant cell arteritis (temporal arteritis)

Giant cell myocarditis

Glomerulonephritis

Goodpasture’s syndrome

Granulomatosis with Polyangiitis

Graves’ disease

Guillain-Barre syndrome

Hashimoto’s thyroiditis

Hemolytic anemia

Henoch-Schonlein purpura (HSP)

Herpes gestationis or pemphigoid gestationis (PG)

Hidradenitis Suppurativa (HS) (Acne Inversa)

Hypogammalglobulinemia

IgA Nephropathy

IgG4-related sclerosing disease

Immune thrombocytopenic purpura (ITP)

Inclusion body myositis (IBM)

Interstitial cystitis (IC)

Juvenile arthritis

Juvenile diabetes (Type 1 diabetes)

Juvenile myositis (JM)

Kawasaki disease

Lambert-Eaton syndrome

Leukocytoclastic vasculitis

Lichen planus

Lichen sclerosus

Ligneous conjunctivitis

Linear IgA disease (LAD)

Lupus

Lyme disease chronic

Meniere’s disease

Microscopic polyangiitis (MPA)

Mixed connective tissue disease (MCTD)

Mooren’s ulcer

Mucha-Habermann disease

Multifocal Motor Neuropathy (MMN) or MMNCB

Multiple sclerosis

Myasthenia gravis

Myositis

Narcolepsy

Neonatal Lupus

Neuromyelitis optica

Neutropenia

Ocular cicatricial pemphigoid

Optic neuritis

Palindromic rheumatism (PR)

PANDAS

Paraneoplastic cerebellar degeneration (PCD)

Paroxysmal nocturnal hemoglobinuria (PNH)

Parry Romberg syndrome

Pars planitis (peripheral uveitis)

Parsonage-Turner syndrome

Pemphigus

Peripheral neuropathy

Perivenous encephalomyelitis

Pernicious anemia (PA)

POEMS syndrome

Polyarteritis nodosa

Polyglandular syndromes type I, II, III

Polymyalgia rheumatica

Polymyositis

Postmyocardial infarction syndrome

Postpericardiotomy syndrome

Primary biliary cirrhosis

Primary sclerosing cholangitis

Progesterone dermatitis

Psoriasis

Psoriatic arthritis

Pure red cell aplasia (PRCA)

Pyoderma gangrenosum

Raynaud’s phenomenon

Reactive Arthritis

Reflex sympathetic dystrophy

Relapsing polychondritis

Restless legs syndrome (RLS)

Retroperitoneal fibrosis

Rheumatic fever

Rheumatoid arthritis

Sarcoidosis

Schmidt syndrome

Scleritis

Scleroderma

Sjögren’s syndrome

Sperm & testicular autoimmunity

Stiff person syndrome (SPS)

Subacute bacterial endocarditis (SBE)

Susac’s syndrome

Sympathetic ophthalmia (SO)

Takayasu’s arteritis

Temporal arteritis/Giant cell arteritis

Thrombocytopenic purpura (TTP)

Tolosa-Hunt syndrome (THS)

Transverse myelitis

Type 1 diabetes

Ulcerative colitis (UC)

Undifferentiated connective tissue disease (UCTD)

Uveitis

Vasculitis

Vitiligo

Vogt-Koyanagi-Harada Disease

Note, I have a good friend that has to take meds that cause terrible side affects for restless leg syndrome, and it's an autoimmune disease, so bummer for her.

ETA: This is the list we've been stuck with and I understand they may make exceptions:

HIV

Alzheimer's disease

Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS)

Cancer

Physical wasting

Persistent nausea

Crohn’s disease

Epilepsy

Multiple sclerosis (MS)

Post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD)

Just because they aren't automatically covering those though doesn't mean that they can't get coverage.

"For anyone who's not covered, we still have this Compassionate Use Board, this process for someone to go get a one-off approval," said Boyack.  (Boyack is a medical marijuana advocate).

[Tacenda]

7 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Everyone has a story.  When we understand, we make room for understanding and compassion even when we disagree.  

I read the whole thing.  Thanks for sharing yourself with us. 

Thanks!! I needed to add to that long post, that my husband started on Percocet long ago, and sadly he's still using them for the pain. Recently the pain is worse so he's back at it again. I'm trying to get him to use my oil and he has tried it, but still relies heavily on opioids. This week he's going in for a colonoscopy and endoscopy, second time around. That's the scary thing with opioids, the addictiveness. And the harm on the body and making the body not fight the pain on it's own naturally. I understand the immediate need. But too much over a long time, is far worse and the body forgets how. At least that's what I read recently. Oops, I need to quit for now, too long. 

[MustardSeed]

8 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Thanks!! I needed to add to that long post, that my husband started on Percocet long ago, and sadly he's still using them for the pain. Recently the pain is worse so he's back at it again. I'm trying to get him to use my oil and he has tried it, but still relies heavily on opioids. This week he's going in for a colonoscopy and endoscopy, second time around. That's the scary thing with opioids, the addictiveness. And the harm on the body and making the body not fight the pain on it's own naturally. I understand the immediate need. But too much over a long time, is far worse and the body forgets how. At least that's what I read recently. Oops, I need to quit for now, too long. 

❤️ That’s hard stuff.  

[provoman]

56 minutes ago, bluebell said:

The article was written by Ben Lockhart and Dennis Romboy, for KSL news.  I don't think that deep down they know they did something wrong. I also don't know that we can judge, by the governor's words, that he knows he did something wrong.  Or that the groups who were in support of Prop. 2 and also support the compromise, know deep down that they did wrong.

We can disagree with them, but I don't think we have any grounds to accuse them of lying.

Don't think I used the term lying.

Edited December 4, 2018 by provoman

[bluebell]

39 minutes ago, provoman said:

Don't think I used the term lying.

You didn't. But you did say that the people involved 'knew they were doing something wrong' while saying it was right.  If someone says something is right, while deep down they know it's wrong, isn't that lying?  I didn't know how else to interpret it.

[lostindc]

6 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said:

"But, Ken, only marijuana will do the trick!"

"But, Ken, only whole plant marijuana will do the trick!"

"But, Ken, only whole plant marijuana will do the trick, and only if you smoke it!"*

*These kinds of disingenuous arguments tell me everything I need to know about what's really going on here.  As far as I'm concerned, I think sincere proponents of medicinal legalization are probably being used as pawns by those whose real aim is full, unfettered recreational legalization, and I think that once we sow that wind, inevitably, we'll reap the whirlwind.  But that's another subject for another day. Leaving that aside, I offer the following

For Your Consideration.

And as far as your PEOPLE NEED HELP NOW schtick, if some drug(s) purporting to help all of the things Miracle Marijuana is purported to help had been hastily approved without going through the usual process (after all, PEOPLE NEED HELP NOW) but, actually, a direct causal link had been found that shows that the drug or drugs was or were actually killing people left and right (and yes, for purposes of this paragraph, I will concede that Miracle Marijuana, by contrast, is actually as harmless as all of its proponents say it is and has never harmed a soul: I'm simply using the hasty approval process hypothetical because  PEOPLE NEED HELP NOW), why do I suspect that you'd be one of the first people screaming bloody murder?

As as far as Miracle Marijuana never having actually hurt a soul, personally, I'm convinced that once legalization proponents get their way, Miracle Marijuana will become on a par with alcohol for killing people, we simply won't be able to prove how many people it has killed because, unlike alcohol, whose effects are measurable and predictable, no one knows what a "safe level" of Miracle Marijuana is for, e.g., operating a motor vehicle.

Ken, 

Based on your post, you have no knowledge whatsoever in regards to this subject.  Your prediction is disastrously unsupported and full of paranoia.  If you gained any experience working in hospice care and other medical environments then you would have working knowledge of the exceedingly great benefits of medical marijuana.  It's no longer debatable.  Thankfully, your beliefs are becoming more silent.  In time, marijuana will arrive everywhere in the United States.  One would hope that marijuana rights become more vast in Utah in order to help combat the abuse of opioids and meth.  Utah people love meth and opioids.

 

[Calm]

6 hours ago, bluebell said:

Just because they aren't automatically covering those though doesn't mean that they can't get coverage.

"For anyone who's not covered, we still have this Compassionate Use Board, this process for someone to go get a one-off approval," said Boyack.  (Boyack is a medical marijuana advocate).

Does that mean they have to go back to the doctor each time they want a prescription?  Or mean case by case?

And how quickly will a Board respond?

You can get two weeks of oxy in Utah without difficulty, but have to go back again for another appt if wanting more.  If for treating a chronic condition, this could get costly in terms of time and money. 

I get not including everything on the previous list as the science isn’t there if that is what was intended by the vote, but that seems to go contrary to the intent of the initiative in my view. I prefer it be left up to the doctor and the doctor’s frequency of scrips be kept track of.  A doctor can keep track of if marijuana is replacing more dangerous drugs, for instance, as evidence of its effectiveness for that patient  

As far as pharmacist dispensing, since it is a drug and therefore may have interactions with other drugs people are taking, I prefer that route to just specialists in marijuana.

 

Edited December 4, 2018 by Calm