pogi Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Calm said: There are some that make this claim, but not all such labs are actually independent. There would need to be some way to easily access information demonstrating this. Good point.
Unaffiliated Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Again is this bill about THC smokeble marijuana because in Utah County you can go to a Good Earth store and buy all kinds of CBD oil like high potency liquid you dab in your mouth, sprays you spray into your mouth, chewable sugary gummies that look like teddy bears and pill form. All sold at Good Earth stores and they dont ask for ID either. I post this because people are saying this bill is about CBD oil while many places already sell Cannibis oil in Utah. This bill is about THC marijuana that can be smoked.
pogi Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, Unaffiliated said: Again is this bill about THC smokeble marijuana because in Utah County you can go to a Good Earth store and buy all kinds of CBD oil like high potency liquid you dab in your mouth, sprays you spray into your mouth, chewable sugary gummies that look like teddy bears and pill form. All sold at Good Earth stores and they dont ask for ID either. I post this because people are saying this bill is about CBD oil while many places already sell Cannibis oil in Utah. This bill is about THC marijuana that can be smoked. I think you are right. It is about "medical marijuana" which is more then just CBD oil which is already legal. I don't think it is limited to just smoked form though.
Unaffiliated Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Just now, pogi said: I think you are right. It is about "medical marijuana" which is more then just CBD oil which is already legal. I don't think it is limited to just smoked form though. Well I bring it up because I see people defending the bill because of the benefits of CBD oil, when I wanted to point out CBD oil can already be bought and this is really about THC.
Tacenda Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) Oops, need to find a better video this showed my FB account. I wish this had been around 10 years ago for my mother. If anyone has a parent in a care center or taking care of a parent, there's help now, no taking the psychotic drugs with terrible side affects. Edited July 18, 2018 by Tacenda
Unaffiliated Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 In some people THC marijuana has been known to cause psychosis episodes in some people. Not all, but usually if you are taking an antidepressant or anxiety med you should avoid mixing with marijuana or you could be in for a bad experience. In the ER I've seen quite a few marijuana induced psychosis patients brought in. 1
RevTestament Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 44 minutes ago, Unaffiliated said: Again is this bill about THC smokeble marijuana because in Utah County you can go to a Good Earth store and buy all kinds of CBD oil like high potency liquid you dab in your mouth, sprays you spray into your mouth, chewable sugary gummies that look like teddy bears and pill form. All sold at Good Earth stores and they dont ask for ID either. I post this because people are saying this bill is about CBD oil while many places already sell Cannibis oil in Utah. This bill is about THC marijuana that can be smoked. Well that is I think perhaps the main point of the proposal, however, that is why I oppose the initiative. Right now it would be illegal to bring in dried ACDC and sell it. I wouldn't mind high CBD strains being available (with THC say < 1%) but like I said right now that would be illegal. I think the initiative is starting out as liberal as it can, and wants to make everything legal for alleged medical use. I favor an approach that avoids the psychoactive THC products.
RevTestament Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: It has nothing to do with being "happy with only lowering [my] loved one's chances by 25-30% by all means ..." I'm not sure where what, for all the world, seems, to me, to be passive aggressiveness is coming from. Apparently, I've pushed your buttons somehow, so I think this'll be my last post to you, if not in the thread altogether. Have a nice day. Whatever floats your boat Kengo. Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way Kengo, but I just feel it is a little naive to think one is going to avoid the probabilities of getting alzheimer's by living a healthy lifestyle. The rest of the body may be perfectly healthy, but in this disease the neural cells die. Healthy habits may delay that process or even prevent it in some, but the evidence I have seen is that in the majority of cases the disease still progresses. I can't stop you from being upset about that. Perhaps you should review the literature on Alzheimer's. Edited July 18, 2018 by RevTestament amended to better reflect Kengo's meaning
Kenngo1969 Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, RevTestament said: Whatever floats your boat Kengo. Sorry if I rubbed you the wrong way Kengo, but I just feel it is a little naive to think one is going to avoid alzheimer's by living a healthy lifestyle. You persist in saying I made that claim. Consider this a CFR. Pursuant to Board rules, show me where I made that claim, or retract your allegation that I did so. Thank you.
Unaffiliated Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 Can we all agree that marijuana is minor and small potatoes when it comes to the current opioid crisis? Prescription painkillers are killing thousands of people. If you go to wikipedia and type in Utah County, the page refers to the bad opioid crisis in Utah County. Fentanyl should be illegal but it is prescribed for pain. If someone overdoses on fentanyl and you touch their skin with your skin, you could overdose and die just from the skin to skin contact. That's why when they teach CPR classes they dont do the mouth to mouth anymore without a barrier in between and you must wear gloves because of the fentanyl epidemic. And that's just 1 of the opiates. How many people need to die before we come up with an alternative to pain management? It looks like marijuana is that, but some people would rather stick with the deadly opioids and the overdoses it brings and the epidemic that is going on in Utah and all over the country. Its the number 1 cause of death in the US now, it overtook car accidents. And what can we do to stop it? By introducing a controversial plant that's not for everyone, but hasn't killed anyone with an overdose.
Tacenda Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Unaffiliated said: Can we all agree that marijuana is minor and small potatoes when it comes to the current opioid crisis? Prescription painkillers are killing thousands of people. If you go to wikipedia and type in Utah County, the page refers to the bad opioid crisis in Utah County. Fentanyl should be illegal but it is prescribed for pain. If someone overdoses on fentanyl and you touch their skin with your skin, you could overdose and die just from the skin to skin contact. That's why when they teach CPR classes they dont do the mouth to mouth anymore without a barrier in between and you must wear gloves because of the fentanyl epidemic. And that's just 1 of the opiates. How many people need to die before we come up with an alternative to pain management? It looks like marijuana is that, but some people would rather stick with the deadly opioids and the overdoses it brings and the epidemic that is going on in Utah and all over the country. Its the number 1 cause of death in the US now, it overtook car accidents. And what can we do to stop it? By introducing a controversial plant that's not for everyone, but hasn't killed anyone with an overdose. Today I stopped by a store in Kaysville that was mentioned on a FB post, my friend who I knew when she was a youngster, was inquiring about how to help her boyfriend that has seizures to get some medicine, apparently the doctor wouldn't prescribe medication for some reason, she didn't say why not. I was surprised when many of her FB friends mentioned for her to get CBD oil! And these are active members in the church. When I went into the store today because I was curious, they had the tests and everything that showed what was in the CBD oil they were selling, how nice was that! But no THC in it. So there ya go, times are a changing! Edited July 18, 2018 by Tacenda
Jeanne Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: Oops, need to find a better video this showed my FB account. I wish this had been around 10 years ago for my mother. If anyone has a parent in a care center or taking care of a parent, there's help now, no taking the psychotic drugs with terrible side affects. I would have given anything to just have something that would settle my father down..and just get some rest. The more loss of sleep...the more deranged his life became.
RevTestament Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Calm said: Both of you seem to have some misunderstanding of the other's position from what I am reading and think it is more extreme than it is: My reading is that Rev thinks people can find out about benefits and risks from researching it themselves rather than having the government inform them, including whether or not the supplements even contain what they say they should contain. Not sure how he expects research should be done outside of anecdotal evidence. Only if significant general risks have been demonstrated, should the government step in. Well, not quite. I have repeatedly stated I am not opposed to testing to ensure products contain what they claim, and indicated that since virtually all these products are in the stream of interstate commerce, I feel the Federal government has power to do so - after all a company should be shipping what it claims to be shipping in interstate commerce. That is far different from testing products for proof of efficacy and/or safety. Here is one example of what I have stated: "Perhaps our concern about what constitutes cheating is different. If people believe stinging nettle will help their acne, I think they should be able to buy it. I just want to ensure that companies are not substituting corn starch instead. You seem to want the company to prove what stinging nettle is good for. That is a hugely expensive and tall order for preventatives. How do you prove you prevented a disease from occurring? Hard to do. It would threaten the existence of the whole industry. In this case CBD would often be used as a preventative too. I don't want some doctor telling me I can't take it because I don't have epilepsy, but I also don't want some company to cheat and sell me corn starch instead. Those are two different types of concerns. I have no problem regulating the latter and potentially putting companies who cheat by substituting ingredients (financial fraud) out of business. I agree they are bad for the industry. My point about bringing up virgin olive oil is that financial fraud is a different kind of risk than health claims (and trying to prove fraud). The truth is if I want extra virgin olive oil, I am probably not going to get a 100% pure product. I can buy it anyway, and probably still be healthy, or go without it. Quote Pogi seems to think the government should require supplements to contain the ingredients their label says they contain and have testing to prove any benefits before claims are made. If I misread, please correct, but unless you guys can get the nuances of each other's position, seems like a worthless discussion My husband did the research prior to taking red yeast to lower cholesterol, it appeared to help. Turns out it definitely raised his liver enzymes into dangerous levels, that thankfully were caught through his yearly physical. According to the doctor this is not unusual, but it wasn't mentioned in the literature when he did his research. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_yeast_rice Pogi wants all supplements to be subject to testing to prove safety AND efficacy. As I have indicated that is a very tall order for a preventative herbal product. I feel quite certain he really doesn't understand the high cost of such a requirement. Drug companies charge hundreds and even thousands of dollars per pill/dose to allay such costs. That would destroy the supplement industry. I don't believe any testing should be through private companies. If required, the government should do it. If a company feels they are being wronged they can then hire their independent labs. This really is a cost-benefit analysis. I don't believe the costs of Pogi's proposals will outweigh the desired benefits. I believe the vast majority of herbal products are safe when used properly. In cases where health issues arise, I do not oppose government regulation of a product to determine if efficacy outweighs health risks. In cases of unacceptable risks such as death, then I also don't oppose the banning of a product such as ephedr1ne. Pogi left out statistics for prescription drugs used improperly by patients. There are thousands of deaths for these products too. Consumers are naughty. They often do not follow directions. They tend to think more is better. So despite all the rigorous testing prescription drugs cause significant physical harm.
Unaffiliated Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, RevTestament said: Well, not quite. I have repeatedly stated I am not opposed to testing to ensure products contain what they claim, and indicated that since virtually all these products are in the stream of interstate commerce, I feel the Federal government has power to do so - after all a company should be shipping what it claims to be shipping in interstate commerce. That is far different from testing products for proof of efficacy and/or safety. Here is one example of what I have stated: "Perhaps our concern about what constitutes cheating is different. If people believe stinging nettle will help their acne, I think they should be able to buy it. I just want to ensure that companies are not substituting corn starch instead. You seem to want the company to prove what stinging nettle is good for. That is a hugely expensive and tall order for preventatives. How do you prove you prevented a disease from occurring? Hard to do. It would threaten the existence of the whole industry. In this case CBD would often be used as a preventative too. I don't want some doctor telling me I can't take it because I don't have epilepsy, but I also don't want some company to cheat and sell me corn starch instead. Those are two different types of concerns. I have no problem regulating the latter and potentially putting companies who cheat by substituting ingredients (financial fraud) out of business. I agree they are bad for the industry. My point about bringing up virgin olive oil is that financial fraud is a different kind of risk than health claims (and trying to prove fraud). The truth is if I want extra virgin olive oil, I am probably not going to get a 100% pure product. I can buy it anyway, and probably still be healthy, or go without it. Pogi wants all supplements to be subject to testing to prove safety AND efficacy. As I have indicated that is a very tall order for a preventative herbal product. I feel quite certain he really doesn't understand the high cost of such a requirement. Drug companies charge hundreds and even thousands of dollars per pill/dose to allay such costs. That would destroy the supplement industry. I don't believe any testing should be through private companies. If required, the government should do it. If a company feels they are being wronged they can then hire their independent labs. This really is a cost-benefit analysis. I don't believe the costs of Pogi's proposals will outweigh the desired benefits. I believe the vast majority of herbal products are safe when used properly. In cases where health issues arise, I do not oppose government regulation of a product to determine if efficacy outweighs health risks. In cases of unacceptable risks such as death, then I also don't oppose the banning of a product such as ephedr1ne. Pogi left out statistics for prescription drugs used improperly by patients. There are thousands of deaths for these products too. Consumers are naughty. They often do not follow directions. They tend to think more is better. So despite all the rigorous testing prescription drugs cause significant physical harm. Yes thousands of overdoses of painkillers. Now can you find any evidence of even 1 person dying because of an overdose of marijuana? 1
pogi Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, RevTestament said: but I just feel it is a little naive to think one is going to avoid alzheimer's by living a healthy lifestyle. No one is claiming a guarantee, but if we are comparing a healthy lifestyle to herbals in Alzheimer's prevention... which is more naive, the person choosing healthy lifestyle outlined in the 6 pillars which are demonstrated to reduce risk, or unproven herbals? Daily exercise alone can reduce the risk by as much as 50% Quote Pillar #1: Regular exercise According to the Alzheimer’s Research & Prevention Foundation, regular physical exercise can reduce your risk of developing Alzheimer’s disease by up to 50 percent. Enjoy a Mediterranean diet. Several epidemiological studies show that eating a Mediterranean diet dramatically reduces the risk of cognitive impairment and Alzheimer's disease. That means plenty of vegetables, beans, whole grains, fish and olive oil—and limited processed food. Get plenty of omega-3 fats. Evidence suggests that the DHA found in these healthy fats may help prevent Alzheimer's disease and dementia by reducing beta-amyloid plaques. Food sources include cold-water fish such as salmon, tuna, trout, mackerel, seaweed, and sardines. You can also supplement with fish oil. Pillar #5: Quality sleep It’s common for people with Alzheimer’s disease to suffer from insomnia and other sleep problems. But new research suggests that disrupted sleep isn’t just a symptom of Alzheimer’s, but a possible risk factor. An increasing number of studies have linked poor sleep to higher levels of beta-amyloid, a sticky brain-clogging protein that in turn further interferes with sleep—especially with the deep sleep necessary for memory formation. Other studies emphasize the importance of uninterrupted sleep for flushing out brain toxins. Pillar #6: Stress management Chronic or persistent stress can take a heavy toll on the brain, leading to shrinkage in a key memory area, hampering nerve cell growth, and increasing the risk of Alzheimer’s disease and dementia. Yet simple stress management tools can minimize its harmful effects. Stop smoking. Smoking is one of the most preventable risk factors for Alzheimer’s disease and dementia. One study found that smokers over the age of 65 have a nearly 80% higher risk of Alzheimer’s than those who have never smoked. When you stop smoking, the brain benefits from improved circulation almost immediately. Control blood pressure and cholesterol levels. Both high blood pressure and high total cholesterol are associated with an increased risk of Alzheimer’s disease and vascular dementia. Improving those numbers are good for your brain as well as your heart. Watch your weight. Extra pounds are a risk factor for Alzheimer’s disease and other types of dementia. A major study found that people who were overweight in midlife were twice as likely to develop Alzheimer’s down the line, and those who were obese had three times the risk. Losing weight can go a long way to protecting your brain. Drink only in moderation. While there appear to be brain benefits in consuming red wine in moderation, heavy alcohol consumption can dramatically raise the risk of Alzheimer’s and accelerate brain aging. 30 minutes ago, RevTestament said: The rest of the body may be perfectly healthy, but in this disease the neural cells die. The rest of the person (physical,socio/emotional, spiritual) is usually not "perfectly healthy" in Alzheimers. If you are not looking at this from a holistic perspective, you are really not understanding the disease. How does diet, exercise, mental/social stimulation affect the development of neuronal plaques and cell death? It clearly has an environmental component to it as it has been demonstrated that lifestyle can significantly reduce risk. Smokers have an 80% higher risk. People who are over weight in midlife are TWICE as likely to develop Alzheimer's... Increased blood pressure and cholesterol have been shown to increase risk... so I wouldn't call it "naive" at all. It would call it reckless and naive to live otherwise and rely on an unproven pill to save you.
pogi Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 1 hour ago, Unaffiliated said: In some people THC marijuana has been known to cause psychosis episodes in some people. Not all, but usually if you are taking an antidepressant or anxiety med you should avoid mixing with marijuana or you could be in for a bad experience. In the ER I've seen quite a few marijuana induced psychosis patients brought in. Are you an ER nurse or doc? Good points by the way.
Unaffiliated Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 1 minute ago, pogi said: Are you an ER nurse or doc? Good points by the way. Neither. ER security officer but I see and learn everything that goes on.
pogi Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 38 minutes ago, Unaffiliated said: Can we all agree that marijuana is minor and small potatoes when it comes to the current opioid crisis? Prescription painkillers are killing thousands of people. If you go to wikipedia and type in Utah County, the page refers to the bad opioid crisis in Utah County. Fentanyl should be illegal but it is prescribed for pain. If someone overdoses on fentanyl and you touch their skin with your skin, you could overdose and die just from the skin to skin contact. That's why when they teach CPR classes they dont do the mouth to mouth anymore without a barrier in between and you must wear gloves because of the fentanyl epidemic. And that's just 1 of the opiates. How many people need to die before we come up with an alternative to pain management? It looks like marijuana is that, but some people would rather stick with the deadly opioids and the overdoses it brings and the epidemic that is going on in Utah and all over the country. Its the number 1 cause of death in the US now, it overtook car accidents. And what can we do to stop it? By introducing a controversial plant that's not for everyone, but hasn't killed anyone with an overdose. Excellent points as well. We absolutely need an alternatives to opioid pain killers! That is why I am all for getting marijuana off of the schedule I list. 1
RevTestament Posted July 18, 2018 Posted July 18, 2018 46 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: You persist in saying I made that claim. Consider this a CFR. Pursuant to Board rules, show me where I made that claim, or retract your allegation that I did so. Thank you. You said Quote Rather, it's more likely that the "rule" is, "One who does all of these things lessens the chances that he will (or increases the chances that he won't, if you prefer) get Alzheimers" (though, regrettably, again, there are "exceptions" to that "rule" who will get Alzheimers. Despite Pogi's numbers, I think the best evidence is that healthy living will lessen the chance by about 25-30%. I know someone who didn't smoke. He ate home-cooked meals, he wasn't overweight, didn't have heart disease, but still got alzheimer's like his father who did the same. Telling them your "rule" that the chances are lessened won't help them. I agree that their chances are lessened, but I don't believe a majority of cases will be able to avoid the disease. In other words 75% of the people who are going to end up getting the disease will get it anyway. I will amend my last statement to correct my mispeaking.
pogi Posted July 18, 2018 Author Posted July 18, 2018 (edited) 38 minutes ago, RevTestament said: You said Despite Pogi's numbers, I think the best evidence is that healthy living will lessen the chance by about 25-30%...In other words 75% of the people who are going to end up getting the disease will get it anyway. I have already supplied one reference. Here is another study: Quote In one study, researchers at the Cardiff University School of Medicine in Wales analyzed data from 2,235 Welsh men living in a small town in South Wales. All were in their 40s or 50s at the start of the study, and their progress was followed over the course of 35 years.The researchers found that those men who followed four out of five healthy behaviors – getting regular exercise, not smoking, keeping their weight down, eating a healthy diet, and moderating alcohol intake – were 60 percent less likely to develop Alzheimer’s and other forms of dementia in old age than those who followed none of these healthy lifestyle measures. Exercise had the largest impact on preserving memory and thinking skills over time.In addition to protecting brain health, these healthy lifestyle measures reduced the risk of diabetes, heart disease and stroke by 70 percent. All of those medical conditions are known to increase the risk of memory problems and dementia. “The size of reduction in the instance of disease owing to these simple healthy steps has really amazed us and is of enormous importance in an aging population,” said Peter Elwood, the lead researcher. “What the research shows is that following a healthy lifestyle confers surprisingly large benefits to health. Healthy behaviors have a far more beneficial effect than any medical treatment or preventative procedure.” https://www.alzinfo.org/articles/exercise-and-a-healthy-lifestyle-reduce-dementia-risk/ Need more? Quote What causes Alzheimer’s? We still aren’t sure. “For 1% of all cases, there are three genes that determine definitively whether you will have Alzheimer’s, and all three relate to amyloid-beta production, which in these cases is likely the cause of Alzheimer’s,” says Dr. Gad Marshall, associate medical director of clinical trials at the Center for Alzheimer Research and Treatment at Harvard-affiliated Brigham and Women’s Hospital. “For the other 99%, amyloid and tau are closely associated with Alzheimer’s, but many things may contribute to the development of symptoms, such as inflammation in the brain, vascular risk factors, and lifestyle.” https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/a-healthy-lifestyle-may-help-you-sidestep-alzheimers-2017010910955 Only 1% will will definitely get Alzhemiers from genetic causes. That means the rest is environmental and lifestyle. You saidL Quote I know someone who didn't smoke. He ate home-cooked meals, he wasn't overweight, didn't have heart disease, but still got alzheimer's like his father who did the same. Home cooked meals? Doesn't mean much! Did he eat a strict mediterranean diet? How much did he exercise daily? What other mental health issues did he have? Depression/anxiety/stress? How did he keep his brain active? How was his blood pressure? Cholesterol? Did he drink? Your rather anecdotal evidence of one person doesn't give us much to go on. Edited July 19, 2018 by pogi
RevTestament Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, pogi said: Only 1% will will definitely get Alzhemiers from genetic causes. That means the rest is environmental and lifestyle. No it doesn't. There are still genetic predispositions which increase your risk even if they don't guarantee it. What do you consider to be "environmental"? Does that include for instance exposure to statin drugs which have been possibly associated to Alzheimer's? How about killing off intestinal flora with antibiotics? Is that included in your "environmental" factors? I don't believe any of these things are included in your original 6 pillars of healthy lifestyle to avoid/lessen Alzheimer's risk. The long and short of it is there is too much we don't know about Alzheimer's. We aren't even certain if being able to stop the buildup of amyloid betas will stop the disease, but I think my suggestions were much more targeted to this probability than just "living a healthy lifestyle." Quote Home cooked meals? Doesn't mean much! Did he eat a strict mediterranean diet? How much did he exercise daily? What other mental health issues did he have? Depression/anxiety/stress? How did he keep his brain active? How was his blood pressure? Cholesterol? Did he drink? Your rather anecdotal evidence of one person doesn't give us much to go on. His wife who cooked the meals and exercised with him still doesn't have Alzheimer's. His work was very mentally involved. I consider it to have been stressful, but he was a type A personality who thrived on his job. He probably had an occasional glass of wine but drank no more than his wife, who again does not have the disease. Complete non-smoking environment. As far as I know he was not on any drugs for blood pressure. Edited July 19, 2018 by RevTestament
Calm Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Unaffiliated said: Again is this bill about THC smokeble marijuana because in Utah County you can go to a Good Earth store and buy all kinds of CBD oil like high potency liquid you dab in your mouth, sprays you spray into your mouth, chewable sugary gummies that look like teddy bears and pill form. All sold at Good Earth stores and they dont ask for ID either. I post this because people are saying this bill is about CBD oil while many places already sell Cannibis oil in Utah. This bill is about THC marijuana that can be smoked. Thanks for the info, I never thought of looking for CBD at Good Earth though Tacenda mentioned there were places to get it. I am addicted to their fresh ground almond butter. Edited July 19, 2018 by Calm 1
Calm Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Unaffiliated said: . Its the number 1 cause of death in the US now, it overtook car accidents CFR please. If you can, differentiating between those who were introduced to it through their doctor as opposed to just finding it on the street would be nice. 1
Unaffiliated Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 5 minutes ago, Calm said: CFR please. If you can, differentiating between those who were introduced to it through their doctor as opposed to just finding it on the street would be nice. I will try to find info to post when I get home from work in about 4 hours. If I cant find good enough info I will retract my statement.
Unaffiliated Posted July 19, 2018 Posted July 19, 2018 16 minutes ago, Calm said: Thanks for the info, I never thought of looking for CBD at Good Earth though Tacenda mentioned there were places to get it. I am addicted to their fresh ground almond butter. They also sell CBD behind the counter at Christopher's Herb Shop in downtown Springville, but on the negative side they also sell Kratom which is like herbal opiates.
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