RevTestament Posted May 22, 2018 Posted May 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, jpv said: I don't see how someone being intellectually honest can be against legalization of medical cannabis, and not be in favor of banning alcohol, especially with all the restrictions in this proposition. I'm not sure if you read my post correctly. I am not against legalization of medical cannabis. I actually favor it if it is <1% THC by weight. I have mentioned nothing about whether to ban alcohol or not. Would I favor banning alcohol? Probably not. Beer is a very old drink, which has been used a safe alternative for thousands of years while traveling, etc, although the thought of drinking warm beer is not enticing. I personally don't believe it is proscribed by the word of wisdom at all. I don't believe drinking alcohol is a sin - but becoming a lazy drunk, is not what the Lord wants for us. Since alcohol is a public health issue, I believe it is up to each state as to its legal status. Even things that are good can be used unwisely or for evil. Should we ban the internet because one of its main uses is for porn? I believe that would result in a sharp decrease in our nation's productivity. We are all much more productive with computers and the internet. I am in favor of banning most things that are sinful, but alcohol and medical cannabis usage are not.
JAHS Posted May 25, 2018 Posted May 25, 2018 My company that I work for in California, which recently legalized recreational marijuana, just updated a Human Resources Policy change to state that smoking of Marijuana is prohibited on the premises. I wonder if many other businesses are doing the same?
pogi Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 (edited) A drug company has forged through all of the insane hoops required for testing a schedule I drug, and has received the first FDA approval for a marijuana-based drug called Epidiolex, to reduce seizures in rare forms of epilepsy. For a drug to remain schedule I it cannot have any accepted medical use...now CBD oil does have a legitimate FDA approved medical use. Quote According to DEA spokesperson Melvin Patterson, the administration had been considering reclassifying CBD and “the FDA’s findings on something like Epidiolex will weigh heavily on the decision-making process. Still, there’s no update on whether the approval will change the timeline of the proposed reclassification. The DEA could also reclassify CBD, but leave cannabis itself at Schedule I. https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/25/17501618/fda-cannabis-drug-epidiolex-dea-scheduling-science Even with FDA approval, the drug company cannot sell the drug until marijuana is removed from the schedule I listing. It is time to do the right thing DEA!!! Let science study marijuana without all the hoops! Edited June 25, 2018 by pogi 2
Walden Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 Just a report from the Republic of California in an effort to sooth the fears of the anti-marijuana crowd in Utah. Medical marijuana has been legal here for over 20 years.....recreational marijuana has been legal here for about 6 months. The sky is not falling....repeat....the sky is not falling!
Kenngo1969 Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 (edited) On 6/25/2018 at 2:16 PM, pogi said: ... For a drug to remain schedule I it cannot have any accepted medical use...now CBD oil does have a legitimate FDA approved medical use. I'm not looking for any kind of a debate with you or anything, and your argument that marijuana should be removed from Schedule I may or may not have merit. I don't know. That aside, you commit the logical fallacy of equivocation here: Extracts of a substance are not the substance; derivatives of a substance are not the substance. Edited June 26, 2018 by Kenngo1969
pogi Posted June 26, 2018 Author Posted June 26, 2018 1 minute ago, Kenngo1969 said: I'm not looking for any kind of a debate with you or anything, but you commit the logical fallacy of equivocation here: Extracts of a substance are not the substance; derivatives of a substance are not the substance. Well, then the DEA makes the same logical fallacy. In that case CBD should not be a schedule I drug because it is only an extract of marijuana and not marijuana itself. However, it is considered schedule I because it comes from marijuana.
Kenngo1969 Posted June 26, 2018 Posted June 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, pogi said: Well, then the DEA makes the same logical fallacy. In that case CBD should not be a schedule I drug because it is only an extract of marijuana and not marijuana itself. However, it is considered schedule I because it comes from marijuana. I wonder if it would be possible to delist or to exempt derivatives or extracts while not delisting the actual substance itself. (Opponents of such a move might invoke a slippery-slope argument.) I hasten to add that I don't know whether it's possible to delist derivatives or extracts while not delisting the substance itself. I'm just thinking outloud.
Bernard Gui Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 (edited) On 6/26/2018 at 4:05 PM, Walden said: Just a report from the Republic of California in an effort to sooth the fears of the anti-marijuana crowd in Utah. Medical marijuana has been legal here for over 20 years.....recreational marijuana has been legal here for about 6 months. The sky is not falling....repeat....the sky is not falling! Viewing the California sky from Seattle....yeah, it’s falling. And hitting us on the way down. Edited July 3, 2018 by Bernard Gui
Amulek Posted July 3, 2018 Posted July 3, 2018 On 6/26/2018 at 6:05 PM, Walden said: Just a report from the Republic of California in an effort to sooth the fears of the anti-marijuana crowd in Utah. Medical marijuana has been legal here for over 20 years.....recreational marijuana has been legal here for about 6 months. The sky is not falling....repeat....the sky is not falling! Just wait until somebody refuses to bake it in a cake... 2
Tacenda Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) Excited to watch this lady perform on American Ninja Warrior tonight. I guess cannabis helped her get out of her wheelchair, pretty amazing. Say what? Oh, we should wait before using it, wait for big pharm to put it in pill form? Come again? A little snark there, but it's getting pretty tiresome the excuses to not legalize it. https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45603520&nid=148 Edited July 10, 2018 by Tacenda
Kenngo1969 Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 It's a good thing marijuana is a harmless drug. 1
Calm Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kenngo1969 said: It's a good thing marijuana is a harmless drug. Quote Dabbing isn't new. It's been around since the 1970s and has been done by a small number of people in the drug-use community, Stogner noted. But in recent years, dabbing has made the move from obscurity to the general drug-using population. Stogner said dabbing's rise in popularity can be attributed to the commercial development of medical marijuana and the legalization of potin a few states. Both of these factors have facilitated the spread of information about dabbing on social media and in instructional videos on YouTube, he said. In states with medical-marijuana laws or where marijuana is legal, it's possible to purchase butane hash oil extracts, which have been made in a commercial process where butane — a flammable and volatile gas — can be properly ventilated. When recreational users attempt to create dabs at home, in a process known as "blasting," the safety risks are "comparable to those of manufacturing methamphetamine," the paper's authors wrote. Unintended consequences..... https://www.livescience.com/51202-marijuana-dabbing-trend.html 1
rongo Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 It's been a real eye-opener to me driving into Phoenix for summer supplemental construction work. Billboards for dispensaries have proliferated. Here are two that come to mind: Dispensary name and logo, with a marijuana leaf and the caption: "Let the good times roll!" Dispensary name and logo, and: "No medical marijuana card? No problem! Our alternative medicine staff can get you one in minutes!" There's also one for the "weedapp," so you don't have to drive far for it. 2
Kenngo1969 Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Calm said: Unintended consequences..... https://www.livescience.com/51202-marijuana-dabbing-trend.html Channeling the old Brylcreem™ ads, "BHO, a little dab'll do ya!" Edited July 11, 2018 by Kenngo1969
Kenngo1969 Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 Quoting Cal's link: https://www.livescience.com/51202-marijuana-dabbing-trend.html Quote In the only previously published study of dabbing — a survey of about 350 frequent marijuana users — researchers found that the users viewed dabbing as more dangerous than other forms of cannabis use because they reported it led to a higher tolerance for the drug and worse withdrawal symptoms, suggesting a possibility of addiction or dependence, the researchers noted. [Emphasis added by Kenngo1969.] Withdrawal symptoms? Whaddaya mean "withdrawal symptoms"? Marijuana is not addictive! [Ken sticks moistened fingers in his ears.] "It's not, it's not, it's not!!!!!!!!!!! I can't hear you, I can't hear you, Nyah-nyah-nyah-nyah! It's not, it's not, it's not!!!!!!!!!!!!" 2
provoman Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 On 7/9/2018 at 7:37 PM, Tacenda said: Excited to watch this lady perform on American Ninja Warrior tonight. I guess cannabis helped her get out of her wheelchair, pretty amazing. Say what? Oh, we should wait before using it, wait for big pharm to put it in pill form? Come again? A little snark there, but it's getting pretty tiresome the excuses to not legalize it. https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45603520&nid=148 Canabis benefits tourettes sufferer Canabis oil benefits parkinsons sufferer.
Bernard Gui Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) On 7/9/2018 at 6:37 PM, Tacenda said: Excited to watch this lady perform on American Ninja Warrior tonight. I guess cannabis helped her get out of her wheelchair, pretty amazing. Say what? Oh, we should wait before using it, wait for big pharm to put it in pill form? Come again? A little snark there, but it's getting pretty tiresome the excuses to not legalize it. https://www.ksl.com/?sid=45603520&nid=148 She is competing tonight? Quote Stranger said the sacrifice of moving her family and leaving her home was worth making to survive. “No matter how much I’ve been shunned from society in Utah, no matter how much criticism I still get from whoever,” Stanger said, "it works; this works.” How would Utah “society” know what she was taking in her home in order to shun her? Has a medical doctor confirmed that her regimen of herbal cocktails is what fixed her condition? Well, you’ve convinced me. No more concerns over here in the face of such overwhelming anecdotes. Who cares about medical science anyhow? Bunch of ignoramuses, in my opinion. I’m heading over to the neighborhood Weed and Feed right now to stock up. Oh....but be sure to keep it away from Fluffy and Fido. More and more cats and dogs are dying from exposure to pot, but it’s the miracle drug sine qua non for humans.....well, not so much for kids. And then there's this about her practitioner’s specialty... https://quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.html Quote The concepts of applied kinesiology do not conform to scientific facts about the causes or treatment of disease. Controlled studies have found no difference between the results with test substances and with placebos. Differences from one test to another may be due to suggestibility, distraction, variations in the amount of force or leverage involved, and/or muscle fatigue. If you encounter a practitioner who relies on AK muscle-testing for diagnosis, head for the nearest exit. Meanwhile, it would help if science-based kinesiologists would stop referring to what they do as "applied kinesiology." Kind of like “applied neurologists.” Edited July 11, 2018 by Bernard Gui
Bernard Gui Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, rongo said: It's been a real eye-opener to me driving into Phoenix for summer supplemental construction work. Billboards for dispensaries have proliferated. Here are two that come to mind: Dispensary name and logo, with a marijuana leaf and the caption: "Let the good times roll!" Dispensary name and logo, and: "No medical marijuana card? No problem! Our alternative medicine staff can get you one in minutes!" There's also one for the "weedapp," so you don't have to drive far for it. And the billboards next to schools here in WA with maps to the nearest Weed and Feeds. But, of course, those are not meant to target kids. No, no. It’s good for kids - harmless fun, healthful, like broccoli and yogurt. Future users need to be cultivated. Edited July 11, 2018 by Bernard Gui 1
Tacenda Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said: Well, you’ve convinced me. No more concerns over here in the face of such overwhelming anecdotes. Who cares about medical science anyhow? Bunch of ignoramuses, in my opinion. I’m heading over to the neighborhood Weed and Feed right now to stock up. Oh....but be sure to keep it away from Fluffy and Fido. More and more cats and dogs are dying from exposure to pot, but it’s the miracle drug sine qua non for humans.....well, not so much for kids. Call for reference on the dogs dying from exposure to pot. That's surprising, since I read daily of cannabis helping dogs with symptoms. Bernard, I'm not advocating for the stoners that want to get high all the time. I believe it looks bad to smoke it, and the smell stinks to high heaven. And I worry about people high and driving too. But there are proven medicinal properties. But it sounds like you won't except it until pharmaceuticals put it it pill form and give it their blessing. One thing is for sure it isn't going to kill a soul like other "approved" drugs on the market! Why the hate for something that is helping thousands? I understand if you know of someone that is addicted by habit, my son might be on that list. I understand. It's very difficult to love something for it's benefits and hate it for it's ability to make my son think of it all the time. We've decided, or he decided that he has been ADD all these years and didn't know it, and I'm feeling the guilt that I didn't either. So he's told me how he wishes he'd had it in school to help him focus. I'd been gung ho if it were something like the youtube that prof shared with the boy that is autistic and had tourette's! A spray under the tongue and he's good to go, how can that be a bad thing? Once being at the point his mom wanted him in an institution because he came at his sibling with a knife, to now being able to function at school and is happy? How can that be a bad thing?!? Edited July 11, 2018 by Tacenda
ksfisher Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Call for reference on the dogs dying from exposure to pot. That's surprising, since I read daily of cannabis helping dogs with symptoms. http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/uncategorized/pet-marijuana-intoxication-rise/ http://allpetnews.com/the-dangerous-effects-marijuana-has-on-dogs https://www.petful.com/pet-health/marijuana-toxicity-in-pets/ https://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/treating-marijuana-toxicity/ http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/marijuana-and-dogs-and-cats-a-risky-combination http://www.dailycamera.com/lifestyles/ci_20477048/marijuana-toxic-pets https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/marijuana-intoxication-in-dogs-and-cats https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/09/04/436918240/when-pets-do-pot-a-high-thats-not-so-mighty https://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/31/marijuana-pet-exposure/ http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/19/local/la-me-watanabe-pot-pooch-20130920 etc etc etc etc etc 2
Bernard Gui Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: Call for reference on the dogs dying from exposure to pot. That's surprising, since I read daily of cannabis helping dogs with symptoms. Bernard, I'm not advocating for the stoners that want to get high all the time. I believe it looks bad to smoke it, and the smell stinks to high heaven. And I worry about people high and driving too. But there are proven medicinal properties. But it sounds like you won't except it until pharmaceuticals put it it pill form and give it their blessing. One thing is for sure it isn't going to kill a soul like other "approved" drugs on the market! Why the hate for something that is helping thousands? I understand if you know of someone that is addicted by habit, my son might be on that list. I understand. It's very difficult to love something for it's benefits and hate it for it's ability to make my son think of it all the time. We've decided, or he decided that he has been ADD all these years and didn't know it, and I'm feeling the guilt that I didn't either. So he's told me how he wishes he'd had it in school to help him focus. I'd been gung ho if it were something like the youtube that prof shared with the boy that is autistic and had tourette's! A spray under the tongue and he's good to go, how can that be a bad thing? Once being at the point his mom wanted him in an institution because he came at his sibling with a knife, to now being able to function at school and is happy? How can that be a bad thing?!? Recent news story on increase in pet deaths, which I cannot find now, so until then we take it with a grain of salt. But this and other warnings... Quote What Happens if a Dog Eats Weed? What happens if a dog eats marijuana? The dog gets high. And, if a dog ingests too much, then it could die. https://www.caninejournal.com/dogs-and-marijuana/ I don't oppose the potential medical uses of substances found in marijuana. Can I emphasize that any more? Nor do I hate it. But only......if and when there is bona fide scientific evidence of its safety and benefits as required of all other prescription drugs. Anecdotal evidence as in the article you cited is not sufficient, IMO. What is the proof that it was the pot stuff that fixed her up? There is none other than her claim that "it works." In the meantime, we must proceed with caution in making anecdotal claims and advocating medical uses. How can that be a bad thing? Not sure what you mean by "pharmaceuticals." There are recognized procedures they must follow and approvals they must obtain. The same should apply to "medical" marijuana, or just stop using the deceptive term. A sincere question....if pot is so wonderful for health and so many thousands are using it with great benefits, why don't the big pharmaceuticals move in with their labs, experts, unlimited resources, influence, power, and marketing ability and corner the market? There's big money to be made there. Seems like their greed would motivate them to make the move. I adamantly oppose recreational use. Edited July 11, 2018 by Bernard Gui 2
Walden Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 17 hours ago, Kenngo1969 said: It's a good thing marijuana is a harmless drug. Kind of like the explosive risks associated with the illegal manufacturing of moonshine, not to mention the risk of lethal poisoning from a bad batch of moonshine. Does that risk make you want to outlaw alcohol consumption as well? 1
Tacenda Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 1 hour ago, ksfisher said: http://www.petpoisonhelpline.com/uncategorized/pet-marijuana-intoxication-rise/ http://allpetnews.com/the-dangerous-effects-marijuana-has-on-dogs https://www.petful.com/pet-health/marijuana-toxicity-in-pets/ https://www.veterinarypracticenews.com/treating-marijuana-toxicity/ http://www.vetstreet.com/our-pet-experts/marijuana-and-dogs-and-cats-a-risky-combination http://www.dailycamera.com/lifestyles/ci_20477048/marijuana-toxic-pets https://vcahospitals.com/know-your-pet/marijuana-intoxication-in-dogs-and-cats https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2015/09/04/436918240/when-pets-do-pot-a-high-thats-not-so-mighty https://www.denverpost.com/2016/10/31/marijuana-pet-exposure/ http://articles.latimes.com/2013/sep/19/local/la-me-watanabe-pot-pooch-20130920 etc etc etc etc etc Thanks, I was unaware of this. I've read there are medicinal properties to help dogs/cats, but definitely need to watch to not overdose. In the article below it mentions the benefits too. https://www.petmd.com/dog/general-health/cannabis-oil-dogs-everything-you-need-know
Bernard Gui Posted July 11, 2018 Posted July 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, Walden said: Kind of like the explosive risks associated with the illegal manufacturing of moonshine, not to mention the risk of lethal poisoning from a bad batch of moonshine. Does that risk make you want to outlaw alcohol consumption as well? I want a meth lab in my neighborhood. Now there’s a winner. We had one across the street from the high school where I taught and my kids attended. Heck, in Seattle mobile meth labs in RVs park on residential streets. Lots of poisons and other wondrous things are added to various intoxicants (including pot) to make them more potent and addictive. Cool. I want some. Drugs...more drugs...Bring it on. We have a pot growing, processing, and distribution facility approved in our residential neighborhood. The owner assured us it will be surrounded by razor wire fences and security lighting and cameras that will alert him at home (in another town) if someone tries to break in at night. Secured from whom? Who would want to break in? Heck no, I don’t want to outlaw such stuff. It’s great! 1
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