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Mark Beesley

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  1. And the woke generation strikes again. 😂😂😂 I am comfortable with everything I have written. So, report me.
  2. Your definition of evidence may differ from the traditional definition. Perhaps you have confused evidence with something like irrefutable proof, no? For example, the Testimony of the Three Witnesses is evidence, but it is not irrefutable proof. So, there is lots of evidence for the unseen world. Your dismissal or disbelief of the evidence does not cause it to lose the quality of being evidence.
  3. Alma 12:9-11 1 Nephi 16:1-3 Doctrine & Covenants 88:81 Have a nice day.
  4. To clarify, I did not say your beliefs are an act. I wrote that your feigned offense, the way you are acting, is an act. I stand by that. And you should expect your sincerity to be challenged when you write the things you do. To suggest that no one knows what the Lord’s plans are is to deny the reality of revelation. See Alma 12:9-11. We invite you also to escape the chains of hell and come back to the light.
  5. Zeezrom inquired of Alma of things which he had not studied to know. Alma’s response to him, and I am paraphrasing, It is given to many to know the mysteries of God, but they are laid under a strict command not to impart or share those mysteries with unbelievers, i.e. those who have not paid sufficient heed to the word if the Lord. Inquiries about the exact timing of the events which will precede the Second Coming if the Lord, are in truth, seeking to understand mysteries. The timing of the Second Coming is shrouded in secrecy. The Lord will come as a thief in the night. The faithful, those who have given heed and diligence to the Word of the Lord will see the sign and recognize the various events. It seems the unfaithful are demanding the same information and knowledge the faithful sought for humbly. Doesn't work that way. Here are Alma’s exact words from chapter 12 of the Book of Alma in the Book of Mormon: 9 And now Alma began to expound these things unto him, saying: It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him. 10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full. 11 And they that will harden their hearts, to them is given the lesser portion of the word until they know nothing concerning his mysteries; and then they are taken captive by the devil, and led by his will down to destruction. Now this is what is meant by the chains of hell. We invite you to cast off the chains of hell, and humbly seek knowledge.
  6. I provided a reasonable explanation of why the Church might need extensive financial reserves in the future, and you raised your voice in feigned ignorance of how the or why the Church might need such reserves. Can’t God just make gold rise to the surface you asked in mocking innocence. Sheesh! If, as you say, you served 50 years in the positions you claim—and I have no reason to doubt your history—then you will be familiar with the Doctrine and Covenants and the instructions of the Lord incident to the building up of His Kingdom (the Church) in the Last Days. You will know that the Kingdom of God, existing in the midst if Babylon, renders unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s. You can act like you are offended, but it is an act. We both know it. If you will humble yourself and present yourself to the Lord on His terms rather than your own, you will feel no need to draw away from His Church, and we will embrace you without judgment. But if you raise an ugly voice against the Lord, expect a response.
  7. 1. The value of the member services affects the degree, but you want to ignore that. 2. I know you have not put in the time or the effort because you asked the foolish question of wanting to know “exactly” the timing of the events precedent to the second coming.
  8. Perhaps if you did not have such a warped view of how the Lord accomplishes His work in a fallen world—and make no mistake, this is and will remain a fallen world during the foundation of the New Jerusalem—if you had a clear understanding of how the Lord works, then perhaps your understanding of other challenging issues in your life could be illuminated and you could be free from the bondage of ignorance to the ways and Will of the Lord. You might try reviewing the Lords revelations in the Doctrine and Covenants relative to the founding of the new Jerusalem as a starter.
  9. I would refer you to Alma and his response to Zeezrom when Zeezrom demanded to know things that he hadn’t put the time or effort in to discovering.
  10. The alleviation of suffering of individuals is an individual matter. The Church membership does that extensively on an individual level. They do it because they are motivated by the truths that they have learned as members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. When there is a so-called immediate need, as you put it, the institutional Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is one of the first organizations to jump into action. Ask anybody in Haiti, or any other country or State hit by a natural disaster. One of the brothers in my ward recently commented in priesthood meeting of an experience he had with the coordinators of a relief effort that the two organizations that are provided the most help were the Mormons and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. if you guys could put a dollar value on the value of the time the members give serving others, what would the number be? Does the Church get credit for inspiring such giving?
  11. It is likely that the New Jerusalem will require extensive infrastructure expenditures which may have to be financed in part by the currency of the foreigners, i.e. those not living in the New Jerusalem. We probably ought to have a few trillion in reserves!
  12. Both sentences of your reply illustrate the issue. Your tendency is to lean unto your own understanding. Review last year’s youth theme, again.
  13. Having read that exhaustive list about Mormons, I am grateful that I am not a Mormon, but a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. 😇
  14. Someone might benefit from a deeper understanding of last year’s youth theme.
  15. What an absolutely insane waste of effort, trying to apply temporal, worldly and secular financial accounting principles to the Kingdom of God on Earth. The Lord has asserted His right of ownership to this planet. Psalms 24:1, The Earth is the Lord’s and the fulness thereof. Every molecule of every bit of wealth existing on this planet exists because of the grace of God. The breath of life on which men rely that they might labor and “create” wealth is a gift from God, and the product of our minds and hands belong rightfully to Him. (See the Parable of the Talents.) But God is generous, and grants us enjoyment of His creations. He patiently, and with some amusement, allows secular authorities to pretend or imagine that they have some power. Nevertheless, I, the Lord, render unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar’s. D&C 63:26. Thus, the Church pays taxes as required by law. But the Church is under no obligation, moral or otherwise, to conduct its financial affairs in a way that does not offend the unbelievers. God, who knows the beginning from the end, is in an infinitely better and more reliable position to know what levels of asset reserves His Church should maintain, particularly in these highly unsettled times. What fool would presume to counsel the Lord otherwise?!? I began this post characterizing these criticisms of Church finances as insane. That was a generous characterization.
  16. You comment that you agree that the Church should maintain reserves, but you wonder how much. Right? Consider first the purpose of reserves. I suggest the purpose of reserves is to protect against unknown eventualities. Do you disagree? If, as Latter-day Saints believe, President Nelson is called of God to preside over this Church, then it is possible that the Lord has revealed things to him which make it prudent to establish reserves which may seem, to some, excessive. In other words, President Nelson may (does) know something that you and I do not. Could it be that what some folks are actually upset about is that President Nelson has not told us everything the Lord has revealed to him? Sometimes just a little faith is all we need to accept things we do not yet fully understand. And just a shortcut the question as to why President Nelson doesn’t tell us everything that the Lord has told him: “It is given unto many to know the mysteries of God; nevertheless they are laid under a strict command that they shall not impart only according to the portion of his word which he doth grant unto the children of men, according to the heed and diligence which they give unto him.” Alma 12:9 The fact the President Nelson may (does) know things that we do not know should cause us some consternation because it is indicative that we are not heeding the warnings that have been given to us in the past.
  17. I believe it was Joseph Fielding Smith who taught that faithful parents will able to lift their wayward children up to them in the celestial kingdom. Course the rebellious kids have to spend some serious time getting ready for that evolution, but it gives a lot of people hope. I’m not gonna go into the reference. I’m sure someone else will look it up. We do not have the sealing power for naught.
  18. I hope you didn’t misunderstand what I meant by the word discretely. Not that it had to be asked behind closed doors or something, but rather ask about a specific act, and the keys required for that rather than rather a group of actions, i.e. discrete rather than general. It may be that for some that the concept of priesthood keys is confusing because they complicate it. I don’t want to be critical, but asking about the keys of the Elder’s Quorum President beyond simply organizing his quorum, calling counselors, assigning teachers and ministering brethren, and things like that may be “looking beyond the mark.” After all, isn’t ensuring that things are done in order an integral part of God’s kingdom. “My house is a house order.“ And what is more crucial to order than identifying clearly, who has the authority to organize.
  19. I sometimes wonder why people struggle so with the concept of Priesthood Keys. I think it may be because the discussions are often non-specific. If one asks the question more discretely, for example, what authority and keys are required to perform a baptism as opposed to blessing the sick, one can see that the effect of the ordinance (one brings the person into the flock, the other is personal to the recipient), one might better begin to understand the purpose of keys. Humility is essential to understanding Priesthood Keys.
  20. Ok. So? Edited to add: As I reflect, I seem to recall something about this years ago. Obviously not an issue of concern. Heck, one day, if anyone reads my autobiography, they may discover I was once a Republican. Yikes!🤣🤣🤣😇😇😇 (Sorry Nemesis, couldn't stop.)
  21. What is the greatest thing we have to learn in this life? To love God, and to love one another. How do we learn to love? We learn to love by serving. The Church community exists in great part so that people have an opportunity to learn love by serving one another. The Church is not essential for that purpose. The Church is essential for the ordinances, but those can come later. Learning to serve and to love one another in this life is something that will be very difficult to learn later. Spend as much time as you can with your entire family in service to others, and I promise you, you will not be disappointed in the resurrection.
  22. I suppose if it were confirmed in his biography, it might be true. I do not own Heart to Heart. Otherwise, I suspect there is some confusion because of. . “Rensselaer Russell Nelson (May 12, 1826 – October 15, 1904) was a United States district judge of the United States District Court for the District of Minnesota.” From Wikipedia. He was Skull and Bones.
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