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  1. In the two videos I saw that wouldn't have been very effective. In one case, the so-called auditors were filming as people were arriving (i.e., before anyone was inside and capable of hearing an announcement from the pulpit), and in the other case they appeared to have been present toward the end of the block and were catching people as they were leaving (again, too late for anyone to know to make an announcement or for anyone to hear it, even if it were known). Which isn't surprising because that's what these guys are going for: the element of surprise. And because of that, there's pretty much always going to be at least some sort of interaction. I guess the church could preemptively start having bishops everywhere in the US start reading directions about how to handle this kind of situation from the pulpit once a quarter or so, but that seems even more disruptive and not worth whatever benefit may come from it.
  2. I don't think offering someone a bottle of water and a bit of polite conversation would be especially dramatic. That being said I do agree with what you said above - about the best thing being for everyone to just ignore them completely. Unfortunately, that's not going to happen. So the second best thing would be for someone in authority - someone like the bishop or another leader - to become involved and help ensure everyone from the ward just moves along, doesn't engage with them, and ensures that the situation doesn't escalate.
  3. So, my first thoughts immediately went to how could I stop them from filming. Idea number one: pull out my flashlight (yes, I always carry a high-powered flashlight with me - doesn't everyone?) and shine it into the camera lens. Filming people in public is perfectly legal (they are right about that), but projecting light onto someone else's property is perfectly legal too. And nobody has a First Amendment right to get usable film footage. My second thought was easier: just turn on my favorite Pandora channel and follow them around. This one wouldn't actually stop them from filming per se, but it would facilitate either pulling their content down or at least making it less profitable for them later on. YouTube automatically detects songs, and these videos tend to be fairly lengthy. The more copyrighted content that exists on a video, the harder it will be for them to argue fair use, and the more expensive it will be for them should they try to obtain licensing. My third idea, admittedly, was a bit scandalous: strip one of my kids down their birthday suit and send them out for a quick streak. Then call the cops and have their equipment confiscated as evidence of them being in possession of child porn. In actuality though, I wouldn't do any of those things. No, instead, I would walk out, offer them a bottle of water, and then just chat with them for a bit. I'm remarkably unflappable. I would invite them to put their cameras down and join us inside, and I would hang around as long as they were present to help usher people in and out of the parking lot and avoid any other interaction between them and ward members. Which would make for a pretty boring YouTube video.
  4. This reminds me of one of the better lines from the season finale of Loki that I watched just last night: SYLVIE (protagonist): Then why are we here? HE WHO REMAINS (antagonist): Oh, come on. You know you can't get to the end until you've been changed by the journey. This stuff, it needs to happen. To get us all in the right mindset to finish the quest. We need to go through mortality to grow and progress to where God wants us to be - to start changing into what we can possibly become - and there just isn't any other way to do it. And the Spirit is the key to all of that. Absolutely nothing else trumps the Spirit. No matter what anyone else says, or does, or thinks, if you are following the Spirit you will be okay in the end.
  5. I don't know either, but I'm glad some people pay attention - otherwise I never would have seen Reynold's attempting to coin a phrase for a new musical genre: emomo. Oh man, I laughed at that one. Hard.
  6. As I asked before, is your problem really with Elder McConkie or with biblical literalism? Maybe I'm missing something, but the "verifiably false" doctrines you keep bringing up seem to all hinge on a very literal interpretation of scripture. These are the kinds of things that seem to be more problematic for fundamental evangelicals who hold to a literal (inerrant) view of scripture than Latter-day Saints.
  7. I don't want to derail the thread, but this isn't even remotely close to being an accurate characterization of the Galileo affair. Scientists at that time had serious and valid challenges to the theory that the earth moved around the sun - the biggest being the absence of stellar parallax. No one in the 17th century was able to observe parallax effects, not even Galileo himself. In fact, it wasn't until more than 150 years after his death that stellar parallax was finally observed. So, no, it wasn't a matter of "merely look[ing] through the telescope to prove that the earth moved around the sun." Galileo happened to be correct, but he certainly wasn't able to prove that he was right. He was pushing his theory beyond what the facts (read: science) supported. Which, in a way, is kind of ironic when you think about it. Because isn't that what faith really is - a belief in something that is true but yet to be proven.
  8. So, is the problem really Elder McConkie or biblical literalism? I don't know anybody - you, me, the apostles, anybody - who doesn't hold any false beliefs. So what's there to reconcile?
  9. I hate to point out the obvious, but I wouldn't consider Tal Bachman or Jewel to be emo by any stretch of the imagination. And Alice Cooper - who I'm proudly claiming as an ex-Mormon, though by way of the Bickertonites - isn't real angsy either. He puts on a good show but in real life he is actually a pretty down to earth, easy going guy.
  10. No worries. I just didn't want people to get lost in the jumble and not engage in the discussion.
  11. This seems like an interesting topic. When you have a sec, see if you can go back and clean up the copy/paste/formatting issues - will make it much easier to discuss.
  12. The emojis. Some of the people are okay too. The ability to ban other posters. Mwa-ha-ha-ha-ha!!! Wait, did I say that out loud? No, mostly what I want from the board is what I'm getting already, which is essentially exposure to a wide variety of information and opinions about or relating to the church. Hope it continues for years to come.
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