bsjkki Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 https://www.sltrib.com/religion/local/2018/04/29/mormon-church-reassigns-volunteers-serving-in-turkey-due-to-political-unrest/ "The LDS Church on Sunday said it has temporarily reassigned volunteers serving in Turkey “due to a prolonged period of heightened political tensions.” Twenty men, four women and five senior couples will shift to other regions in Europe, Asia and North America, according a church news release. Four other volunteers — or missionaries — nearing the end of their service will return home." 2
Rain Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Interesring how that is working. My son's friend was there, got removed to Germany and went back to Turkey before coming home this last year. Edited April 30, 2018 by Rain
2PairsofCletes Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 Im surprised it has taken this long. Unstable part of the world that I wouldn't even travel there as a tourist.
2PairsofCletes Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 38 minutes ago, Avatar4321 said: We have missionaries in turkey? They can't prostiltyize but can do service
strappinglad Posted April 30, 2018 Posted April 30, 2018 56 minutes ago, Rain said: Intestine how that is working. Very appropriate Freudian auto correct. 1
Robert F. Smith Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 9 hours ago, 2PairsofCletes said: Im surprised it has taken this long. Unstable part of the world that I wouldn't even travel there as a tourist. In the past, Turkey has been a modern democracy closely associated with the European community, but the current govt is very authoritarian now, has a powerful military, and is increasingly warlike. 2
Scott Lloyd Posted May 1, 2018 Posted May 1, 2018 (edited) On 4/30/2018 at 9:12 AM, strappinglad said: Very appropriate Freudian auto correct. A striking anthropomorphizing of computer software -- as though the software were capable of subconscious feelings. Edited May 1, 2018 by Scott Lloyd 1
Calm Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 Background info: https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2018/05/turkey-andrew-brunson-erdogan-coup-gulen-kurds/559748/ 1
USU78 Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 On 5/1/2018 at 1:32 PM, Scott Lloyd said: A striking anthropomorphizing of computer software -- as though the software were capable of subconscious feelings. Sometimes code is merely code. 1
carbon dioxide Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 6:37 PM, Robert F. Smith said: ... but the current govt is very authoritarian now, has a powerful military, and is increasingly warlike. Some would say this describes the USA 2
theplains Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 11:01 AM, 2PairsofCletes said: They can't prostiltyize but can do service "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." This was even though He knew they would be martyred or persecuted by the Roman Empire. Jim
RevTestament Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 2 hours ago, theplains said: "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." This was even though He knew they would be martyred or persecuted by the Roman Empire. Jim Don't you know that baptizing is work according to many literalist, Protestant sects, and far be it from man to believe any works are necessary for salvation, because such thinking makes us as filthy rags to quote Isa 64:6?
cinepro Posted May 13, 2018 Posted May 13, 2018 13 hours ago, carbon dioxide said: Some would say this describes the USA I always hope that one day, far in the future, those who protested most loudly and vociferously against the current "regime's" authoritarianism think back and suddenly realize... 2
Marginal Gains Posted May 15, 2018 Posted May 15, 2018 On 4/30/2018 at 3:20 PM, Avatar4321 said: We have missionaries in turkey? No, we have volunteers.
mfbukowski Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) On 5/12/2018 at 7:46 PM, USU78 said: Sometimes code is merely code. "Missionaries Removed From Turkey" I'm just glad they got the missionaries out of that turkey before Thanksgiving. Edited May 16, 2018 by mfbukowski 1
mfbukowski Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 On 5/13/2018 at 10:19 AM, RevTestament said: Don't you know that baptizing is work according to many literalist, Protestant sects, and far be it from man to believe any works are necessary for salvation, because such thinking makes us as filthy rags to quote Isa 64:6? So just get them work permits, and let them go to work!
RevTestament Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: So just get them work permits, and let them go to work! Of course I have no problem with LDS working. I just can't seem to help using a little tongue in cheek with the saved by grace modern Christian thought. On a serious note though, I am glad the Church is being careful in Turkey. It is a Muslim country, and therefore subject to irrational violence against westerners. I'll pray for the brave members there. 1
The Nehor Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: "Missionaries Removed From Turkey" I'm just glad they got the missionaries out of that turkey before Thanksgiving. Turkey is justified in their fear of other nations: 1
Gray Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 On 5/12/2018 at 11:48 PM, carbon dioxide said: Some would say this describes the USA The USA doesn't really compare to Turkey under Erdoğan
Gray Posted May 16, 2018 Posted May 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, mfbukowski said: "Missionaries Removed From Turkey" I'm just glad they got the missionaries out of that turkey before Thanksgiving. They were always taking naps, couldn't get any work done. 1
why me Posted May 17, 2018 Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) On 5/1/2018 at 3:37 AM, Robert F. Smith said: In the past, Turkey has been a modern democracy closely associated with the European community, but the current govt is very authoritarian now, has a powerful military, and is increasingly warlike. It is more in line with Islamism these days. And this creates a problem. The values of Autaturk have been abandoned. Turkey has always had a powerful military being a part of Nato. And they have always been warlike toward the Kurds. But during the last few years they have crept toward Islamism and this can be a problem for christian groups. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/democracy-post/wp/2018/02/16/in-long-secular-turkey-sharia-is-gradually-taking-over/?utm_term=.d8bbabd0fe01 https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/turkey-coup-erdogan_us_596fcfcfe4b062ea5f8efa0f https://www.hudson.org/research/13807-the-cold-war-era-origins-of-islamism-in-turkey-and-its-rise-to-power Edited May 17, 2018 by why me 1
theplains Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 On 5/13/2018 at 1:19 PM, RevTestament said: Don't you know that baptizing is work according to many literalist, Protestant sects, and far be it from man to believe any works are necessary for salvation, because such thinking makes us as filthy rags to quote Isa 64:6? "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." Works are the evidence of salvation, not the means to it. Jim
RevTestament Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 1 hour ago, theplains said: "Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent." Works are the evidence of salvation, not the means to it. Jim And if you believe on Him, what does He say for you to believe? John 15:10 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. Oops. Guess there is more reading for some to do to find out what it means to believe on Him.
Storm Rider Posted May 18, 2018 Posted May 18, 2018 On 5/16/2018 at 3:00 PM, RevTestament said: Of course I have no problem with LDS working. I just can't seem to help using a little tongue in cheek with the saved by grace modern Christian thought. On a serious note though, I am glad the Church is being careful in Turkey. It is a Muslim country, and therefore subject to irrational violence against westerners. I'll pray for the brave members there. That is the problem with Turkey's current leadership - Turkey was a secular nation as stated in their constitution, but now is becoming an Islamic nation. Attaturk is rolling in his grave.
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