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  1. He also said, "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me".
  2. I was just saying that God's testimony about himself is more important than our testimony.
  3. Instead of your own testimony, I would suggest you rely on God's testimony of himself. "Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me" (Isaiah 43:10).
  4. I'm not LDS so I don't view any of the leadership as being oracles of God.
  5. Maybe Alma 40 explains it well. [11] Now, concerning the state of the soul between death and the resurrection -- Behold, it has been made known unto me by an angel, that the spirits of all men, as soon as they are departed from this mortal body, yea, the spirits of all men, whether they be good or evil, are taken home to that God who gave them life. [12] And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of those who are righteous are received into a state of happiness, which is called paradise, a state of rest, a state of peace, where they shall rest from all their troubles and from all care, and sorrow. [13] And then shall it come to pass, that the spirits of the wicked, yea, who are evil -- for behold, they have no part nor portion of the Spirit of the Lord; for behold, they chose evil works rather than good; therefore the spirit of the devil did enter into them, and take possession of their house -- and these shall be cast out into outer darkness; there shall be weeping, and wailing, and gnashing of teeth, and this because of their own iniquity, being led captive by the will of the devil. [14] Now this is the state of the souls of the wicked, yea, in darkness, and a state of awful, fearful looking for the fiery indignation of the wrath of God upon them; thus they remain in this state, as well as the righteous in paradise, until the time of their resurrection.
  6. You misunderstand Galatians 5:9. See verses 6-8 for context.
  7. I think the non-LDS prophets would disavow the following: The Prophet spoke at a Church conference in April 1834: “President Joseph Smith, Jun., read the second chapter of Joel’s prophecy, prayed, and addressed the conference as follows: … ‘We are differently situated from any other people that ever existed upon this earth; consequently those former revelations cannot be suited to our conditions; they were given to other people, who were before us; “When he concluded, Brother Joseph turned to Brother Brigham Young and said, ‘Brother Brigham, I want you to take the stand and tell us your views with regard to the living oracles and the written word of God.’ Brother Brigham took the stand, and he took the Bible, and laid it down; he took the Book of Mormon, and laid it down; and he took the Book of Doctrine and Covenants, and laid it down before him, and he said: ‘There is the written word of God to us, concerning the work of God from the beginning of the world, almost, to our day. And now,’ said he, ‘when compared with the [living] oracles those books are nothing to me; those books do not convey the word of God direct to us now, as do the words of a Prophet or a man bearing the Holy Priesthood in our day and generation. I would rather have the living oracles than all the writing in the books.’ That was the course he pursued. When he was through, Brother Joseph said to the congregation: ‘Brother Brigham has told you the word of the Lord, and he has told you the truth.’”16 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/teachings-joseph-smith/chapter-16?lang=eng
  8. If Adolf Hitler was named in a baptism for the dead, what would his kingdom be? And what do you mean by "saved"?
  9. I wouldn't focus on numbers. Quality is preferable to quantity.
  10. Thanks. I'll open up a new thread in the future to revisit it.
  11. What do you believe is the time and place for your interpretation of what Psalm chapter 82 teaches?
  12. If the early Christian teachings don't agree with the Bible, I don't believe it. I believe God from eternity to eternity is the same as God from everlasting to everlasting. That is why I don't believe Joseph Smith's Heavenly Father (a man who became a God) is "God from everlasting to everlasting" or "God from eternity to eternity". I believe the gods of Psalms 82 are corrupt human judges. Even Moses and Satan are referred to a "god" but they are not deities.
  13. Does "if children, then joint-heirs" mean "if children, then exaltation" to you?
  14. I don't agree with the teachings that man can become gods (Deities). It was this sort of temptation that caused the original sin (the Fall). “You are my witnesses,” declares the Lord, “and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me" (Isaiah 43:10, ESV). Yes. Jesus is omnipotent in the sense that God has all power and that he is God from eternity past. But we also have to consider that "all power" can also mean someone who is not omnipotent; as in the coming of a future wicked one who will deceive many. "Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders (2 Thessalonians 2:9). Regarding how I viewed the article: 1. They taught that becoming like God begins in this life. Yes. But not become God. 2. They believed the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are distinct personages. Yes. But not 3 Gods like Joseph Smith taught. 3. They found scriptural symbolism in their sacred ordinances. Yes. 4. They powerfully taught about the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Yes. 5. We may not always agree with ancient Christians, but we can still learn from them. Yes. But many a false gospel principle has been taught when people have not agreed with biblical teachings.
  15. I read the article that you referred to but I don't see the early Christians equating 'becoming like God' to 'becoming Gods'. If my understanding of LDS theology is correct, exalted beings are those who 'become Gods' and inherit the highest level in the Celestial Kingdom. Are these so-called Gods omnipotent too like Heavenly Mother is taught to be? O How Great the Plan of Our God! By President Dieter F. Uchtdorf Second Counselor in the First Presidency We are the literal spirit children of divine, immortal, and omnipotent Heavenly Parents.
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