Thoughts on a Mini / Micro-Temple Architecture Plan (NOT official, just my own suggestion)

[nuclearfuels]

With the Lobby, offices, clothing rental and Laundry being optional levels, a 4-floor 10 x 10 x 10 (L x W x H) micro-Temple ideal or possible to be manufactured via modular construction and built in locations such as:

• Mt Sinai
• Saint Catherine's Monastery, officially the Sacred Autonomous Royal Monastery of Saint Catherine of the Holy and God-Trodden Mount Sinai, is a Christian monastery located in the Sinai Peninsula of Egypt.
• Mt Horeb
• Egypt where Mary, Joseph and the Savior stayed after fleeing Herod's decree
• Dhofar, Oman (Nephi's Temple) 
• Jerusalem
• Persia (Three Magi place of origin Temple)
• China
• Russia

*This model might also work for a mobile Temple, able to be assembled, ordinances administered, disassembled and relocated for future use.

The thick line would be the ground.

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

You would have to dig a 20 ft. Hole wherever you decided to assemble it, then obviously you would need to fill it back in- the locals wouldn't want a 20 ft hole just laying around were anybody could just fall in.

Also, I think you're underestimating how small 10x10 is. I think most of our temple baptismal fonts are bigger than that. Not to mention the oxen- oh vey, the oxen!!

 

Edited July 3, 2024 by ZealouslyStriving

[Tacenda]

48 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

You would have to dig a 20 ft. Hole wherever you decided to assemble it, then obviously you would need to fill it back in- the locals wouldn't want a 20 ft hole just laying around were anybody could just fall in.

Also, I think you're underestimating how small 10x10 is. I think most of our temple baptismal fonts are bigger than that. Not to mention the oxen- oh very, the oxen!!

 

Sounds like using regular church buildings during the week would suffice perfectly. I remember a talk many years ago that mentioned using ward buildings because the work will be so great and will be needed.

 

[ZealouslyStriving]

4 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Sounds like using regular church buildings during the week would suffice perfectly. I remember a talk many years ago that mentioned using ward buildings because the work will be so great and will be needed.

 

Though we don't have basements for the Temple font.

[Tacenda]

5 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Though we don't have basements for the Temple font.

I thought the baptismal font in the stake buildings would be good enough.

[Tacenda]

9 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Though we don't have basements for the Temple font.

I went to the Layton Temple open house recently, and their font wasn't in the basement. 

[ZealouslyStriving]

6 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

I went to the Layton Temple open house recently, and their font wasn't in the basement. 

Were the ordinance rooms on higher levels? I think the Temple font has to be lower than the assembly (ordinance) rooms:

"13 Consequently, the baptismal font was instituted as a similitude of the grave, and was commanded to be in a place underneath where the living are wont to assemble, to show forth the living and the dead, and that all things may have their likeness, and that they may accord one with another—that which is earthly conforming to that which is heavenly, as Paul hath declared, 1 Corinthians 15:46, 47, and 48..." (Doctrine and Covenants 128)

Edited July 3, 2024 by ZealouslyStriving

[Tacenda]

29 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Were the ordinance rooms on higher levels? I think the Temple font has to be lower than the assembly (ordinance) rooms:

"13 Consequently, the baptismal font was instituted as a similitude of the grave, and was commanded to be in a place underneath where the living are wont to assemble, to show forth the living and the dead, and that all things may have their likeness, and that they may accord one with another—that which is earthly conforming to that which is heavenly, as Paul hath declared, 1 Corinthians 15:46, 47, and 48..." (Doctrine and Covenants 128)

Yes, I believe so. Not sure, but found this photo. I do remember going to do baptisms at the Salt Lake temple and think it was definitely in the basement. I believe that is no longer the case with some of the newer temples.

Edited July 3, 2024 by Tacenda

[bluebell]

1 hour ago, Tacenda said:

I went to the Layton Temple open house recently, and their font wasn't in the basement. 

That s stood out to me too. But were the oxen in the basement? They were a level down right? I can’t remember.  

[Calm]

4 minutes ago, bluebell said:

That s stood out to me too. But were the oxen in the basement? They were a level down right? I can’t remember.  

Oxen aren’t apparently required, even if traditional and desired (they weren’t in all temples, but when these temples are getting renovated, many are getting oxen added).

https://www.templefacts.org/post/baptisteries

[blackstrap]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

Oxen aren’t apparently required, even if traditional and desired

Kind of like spires then ?😁

[Damien the Leper]

I was going to suggest drive-thru temples but there is too much going on with initiatory and ceremony. Could you imagine the endowment cut down to a 5-minute overview? I've been through the temple many times in the past and just the thought of a drive-thru gives me whiplash and vertigo.

Conclusion: Temples! Keep doing your temple-ing.  🤘

Edited July 4, 2024 by Damien the Leper

[webbles]

7 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Were the ordinance rooms on higher levels? I think the Temple font has to be lower than the assembly (ordinance) rooms:

"13 Consequently, the baptismal font was instituted as a similitude of the grave, and was commanded to be in a place underneath where the living are wont to assemble, to show forth the living and the dead, and that all things may have their likeness, and that they may accord one with another—that which is earthly conforming to that which is heavenly, as Paul hath declared, 1 Corinthians 15:46, 47, and 48..." (Doctrine and Covenants 128)

In the original St. George temple, the ordinance rooms were on the same level as the baptistry.  All were in the basement.  The first floor and third floor were the assembly halls with the second and fourth floor being partial floors that held small rooms.  It quickly became apparent that it was too cramped with the ordinance rooms and the baptistry in the basement, so they started to move some of the rooms to the first floor.  By 1937, all the ordinance rooms had been moved to the first floor and they split up the assembly hall.  You can still see the assembly hall pillars in the walls of the ordinance rooms.

[nuclearfuels]

On 7/3/2024 at 12:39 PM, Tacenda said:

Sounds like using regular church buildings during the week would suffice perfectly. I remember a talk many years ago that mentioned using ward buildings because the work will be so great and will be needed.

 

DUDE! I remember hearing about something like that a long time ago, like 15 years,

Wasn't the idea / suggestion / non-policy that part of the stake centers would be dedicated as Temples?
If you could help me find that talk or trace the idea / faith promoting rumor I'd be much obliged.

[nuclearfuels]

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Edited July 7, 2024 by nuclearfuels
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[Tacenda]

15 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

DUDE! I remember hearing about something like that a long time ago, like 15 years,

Wasn't the idea / suggestion / non-policy that part of the stake centers would be dedicated as Temples?
If you could help me find that talk or trace the idea / faith promoting rumor I'd be much obliged.

I have tried to find a reference and couldn't locate it, until just now I saw this on a question answer board:

 

An Institute Director once told us that when temples were rare (even in Utah), Stakes could obtain permission to use local meeting houses for temple ordinances. The Church had to cease this because members used the privilege to conduct surrepicious polygamous marriages.

[Bernard Gui]

6 hours ago, Tacenda said:

I have tried to find a reference and couldn't locate it, until just now I saw this on a question answer board:

An Institute Director once told us that when temples were rare (even in Utah), Stakes could obtain permission to use local meeting houses for temple ordinances. The Church had to cease this because members used the privilege to conduct surrepicious polygamous marriages.

I have never heard of this. Ex-Mormon.org may not be a reliable source of information. Who is idleswell? Must be a lame attempt at humor.
 

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Posted by: idleswell ( )
Date: June 09, 2012 07:22PM

Re: Ward or Stake houses converted to temples?

An Institute Director once told us that when temples were rare (even in Utah), Stakes could obtain permission to use local meeting houses for temple ordinances. The Church had to cease this because members used the privilege to conduct surrepicious polygamous marriages.

 

Edited July 8, 2024 by Bernard Gui

[ZealouslyStriving]

9 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

I have never heard of this. Ex-Mormon.org may not be a reliable source of information. Who is idleswell? Must be a lame attempt at humor.
 

 

From my understanding some of the older chapels had a room where a TOP could be held among local leaders. That may be the "ordinances" being referred to.

 

[JLHPROF]

2 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

From my understanding some of the older chapels had a room where a TOP could be held among local leaders. That may be the "ordinances" being referred to.

 

Yes, stakes and wards used to have prayer meetings outside the temples.  Some buildings had rooms dedicated for it.  Those lasted until the 1970s I believe.

And in the 1800s families were encouraged to have an altar in their home for prayer.

[Duncan]

On 7/3/2024 at 11:59 AM, ZealouslyStriving said:

Were the ordinance rooms on higher levels? I think the Temple font has to be lower than the assembly (ordinance) rooms:

"13 Consequently, the baptismal font was instituted as a similitude of the grave, and was commanded to be in a place underneath where the living are wont to assemble, to show forth the living and the dead, and that all things may have their likeness, and that they may accord one with another—that which is earthly conforming to that which is heavenly, as Paul hath declared, 1 Corinthians 15:46, 47, and 48..." (Doctrine and Covenants 128)

oh, not all temples are like that, the font is raised up in some for example Cardston Alberta

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/media/image/cardston-alberta-temple-lds-3eebe22?lang=eng

or Mesa Arizona

https://mesatemple.org/renovated-mesa-arizona-temple-opens-to-the-public-this-week/

or St. George, all these you have to go up to the font to go down in the water, scroll to see it

https://www.thechurchnews.com/temples/2023/10/2/23889127/st-george-utah-temple-renovation-what-changed-photos/

[Bernard Gui]

On 7/8/2024 at 11:59 AM, JLHPROF said:

Yes, stakes and wards used to have prayer meetings outside the temples.  Some buildings had rooms dedicated for it.  Those lasted until the 1970s I believe.

And in the 1800s families were encouraged to have an altar in their home for prayer.

Where were these stakes and wards?

[ZealouslyStriving]

13 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Where were these stakes and wards?

My old stake center in Vancouver, WA had an "upper room". Built sometime in the late 70's I believe.

Edited July 16, 2024 by ZealouslyStriving

[Bernard Gui]

8 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

My old stake center in Vancouver, WA had an "upper room". Built sometime in the late 70's I believe.

Never heard of them. We’ve had “upper rooms” but they were used for Scouts and seminary. 

[nuclearfuels]

On 7/7/2024 at 5:53 PM, Tacenda said:

I have tried to find a reference and couldn't locate it, until just now I saw this on a question answer board:

 

An Institute Director once told us that when temples were rare (even in Utah), Stakes could obtain permission to use local meeting houses for temple ordinances. The Church had to cease this because members used the privilege to conduct surrepicious polygamous marriages.

Thank you, Tacenda!
That must have been a while back, eh?

I heard a faith promoting rumor / fact that stake centers or parts of them might be converted to Temples, circa 2010. Have you heard of any more recent chatter about this?

[Tacenda]

40 minutes ago, nuclearfuels said:

Thank you, Tacenda!
That must have been a while back, eh?

I heard a faith promoting rumor / fact that stake centers or parts of them might be converted to Temples, circa 2010. Have you heard of any more recent chatter about this?

I haven't, but it's been a long while since I've listened to many lessons & talks in the church. That's where I know I heard (many years ago) that stake centers or ward houses could one day be used to do temple work because they would be needed to keep up with all the work needing to be done. But it might have been only an opinion by the one giving the talk too.