Tim Ballard

[The Nehor]

22 minutes ago, bluebell said:

The latest development on the topic.

https://kutv.com/news/local/eric-moutsos-tim-ballard-friend-believes-accusers-operation-underground-railroad-human-trafficking-nonprofit-save-the-children-volunteer-employee-assaulted-anti-vax-covid-19-utah-business-revival

"Eric Moutsos, former Salt Lake City police officer and friend of Tim Ballard, told 2News on Wednesday he's spoken to six women who accused Ballard of sexual misconduct -- and believes they are telling the truth.

"You know when you know," said Moutsos, now a podcaster. "With my law enforcement background, I've interviewed hundreds and hundreds of people, and I know when a victim is speaking."

And the number of participants needed to make it plausible that this is a conspiracy keeps growing and bringing in more unlikely people.

[bluebell]

54 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

And the number of participants needed to make it plausible that this is a conspiracy keeps growing and bringing in more unlikely people.

I thought it was weird that the article mentioned his views on vaccines and being a vocal anti-vaxxer, but maybe it was just to show that he's not the typical personality to go after Ballard and ideological-wise would be more likely to support him than not.

[smac97]

Just saw this: Operation Underground Railroad replies to lawsuit filed by five women against them, Tim Ballard

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SALT LAKE CITY (ABC4) — Operation Underground Railroad released a statement to ABC4 on the most recent lawsuit against O.U.R. and Tim Ballard.

The lawsuit alleges that a group of women were subjected to sexual harassment, spiritual manipulation, grooming, and sexual misconduct by Ballard while working at O.U.R.

In the statement, O.U.R. states that they reached out multiple times to the women’s attorney, Suzette Rasmussen, to hear the women’s concerns.

The statement reads as follows:

O.U.R. reached out multiple times to Ms. Rasmussen to engage with her and hear her client’s concerns, but she seemed intent on litigating her client’s issues in a public forum. Now that OUR has reviewed the Complaint, it categorically denies the allegations as they relate to OUR. Moreover, Ms. Rasmussen’s characterizations of the Board’s intentions and actions are entirely misguided and speculative. OUR looks forward to the litigation process and is confident that the truth will prevail.
O.U.R. has taken strong measures to ensure objectivity in every step of this process and it remains committed to doing so in order for the focus to return to the children as soon as possible.
O.U.R. is confident in its future as the leading organization committed to combatting sex trafficking and saving children who have been captured and sold into slavery.

O.U.R PUBLIC RELATIONS

The SPEAR Fund later released a statement on the lawsuit saying “Mr. Ballard vehemently denies the allegations brought by these unnamed women.” Read the full statement below:

The Spear Fund did not exist during the time of the alleged conduct and had nothing to do with it. Mr. Ballard vehemently denies the allegations brought by these unnamed women. He looks forward to vindicating his name in the courts where evidence, and not unsubstantiated accusations in the media, decides the outcome.

MARK L. EISENHUT, ATTORNEY FOR THE SPEAR FUND

I wonder if Ms. Rasmussen is up for this case.  If OUR reached out to her, and if she failed/refused to respond, then to me that indicates she either wants to carry this case forward, full-bore (which, frankly, may not be in her clients' best interests), or else she is just out of her element in dealing with a lawsuit of this sort and magnitude (since communications are key to settlement).

Thanks,

-Smac

[Calm]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

Just saw this: Operation Underground Railroad replies to lawsuit filed by five women against them, Tim Ballard

I wonder if Ms. Rasmussen is up for this case.  If OUR reached out to her, and if she failed/refused to respond, then to me that indicates she either wants to carry this case forward, full-bore (which, frankly, may not be in her clients' best interests), or else she is just out of her element in dealing with a lawsuit of this sort and magnitude (since communications are key to settlement).

Thanks,

-Smac

Bluntly, given how OUR reacted when the investigation took place where they continued to use and profit from Ballard’s celebrity status after the investigation—they have the SoF movie advertised on their website last I looked, for example—I tend not to believe their claims.  Open to being wrong.

Edited October 19, 2023 by Calm

[The Nehor]

I am wondering if it was a “drop the charges against us and we will help you fry Ballard” offer.

[Tacenda]

9 hours ago, smac97 said:

Just saw this: Operation Underground Railroad replies to lawsuit filed by five women against them, Tim Ballard

I wonder if Ms. Rasmussen is up for this case.  If OUR reached out to her, and if she failed/refused to respond, then to me that indicates she either wants to carry this case forward, full-bore (which, frankly, may not be in her clients' best interests), or else she is just out of her element in dealing with a lawsuit of this sort and magnitude (since communications are key to settlement).

Thanks,

-Smac

Methinks this is Tim Ballard talking.

[Calm]

4 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Methinks this is Tim Ballard talking.

I would not be surprised if the OUR leaders were really pissed off at Ballard for ruining their reputation and great set up for bringing in money and are now not taking his phone calls.

[The Nehor]

14 minutes ago, Calm said:

I would not be surprised if the OUR leaders were really pissed off at Ballard for ruining their reputation and great set up for bringing in money and are now not taking his phone calls.

I hope the whole organization collapses. This level of toxicity is hard to hide. It is more likely they ignored it than that they were ignorant of it.

[smac97]

11 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Methinks this is Tim Ballard talking.

Unlikely.  The statement came from OUR and/or its attorney.  Their interests are not aligned with Tim's.

Edited October 20, 2023 by smac97

[Tacenda]

4 hours ago, smac97 said:

Unlikely.  The statement came from OUR and/or its attorney.  Their interests are not aligned with Tim's.

Not too sure about that. Thinking Tim is still behind some things especially if he's found guilty. OUR needs him to not be. 

[smac97]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

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Unlikely.  The statement came from OUR and/or its attorney.  Their interests are not aligned with Tim's.

Not too sure about that. Thinking Tim is still behind some things especially if he's found guilty. OUR needs him to not be. 

Tim Ballard has been damaged goods ever since this scandal went public.  OUR has nothing to gain by aligning itself with him.

Thanks,

-Smac

[Calm]

2 hours ago, smac97 said:

Tim Ballard has been damaged goods ever since this scandal went public.  OUR has nothing to gain by aligning itself with him.

Thanks,

-Smac

It sounds like many OUR leaders and volunteers were close or at least friends and looked up to TB.  If they do not feel betrayed, if they believe that the claims have been inflated, they may not take a purely pragmatic approach and still may be associating with him as friends.  They have strong emotional reasons to try and downplay his actions out of shame and guilt they may have contributed and that they benefitted personally from his lies, etc. and are continuing to benefit from his lies as long as OUR exists (as much of what it is today is because of him).

And he in that capacity might be influencing them to take such an approach internationally or unintentionally (he may be disparaging the women as insincere, etc).

Edited October 20, 2023 by Calm

[teddyaware]

After ruminating over the Tim Ballard controversy for some time, I just had a ‘light bulb moment,’ and now believe I understand what’s going to be a major element of his defense. Ballard’s lawyers are likely going to argue that his female accusers are justifiably resentful and envious because while they had to engage in the very same dangerous and degrading undercover tactics that Ballard had to perform, he achieved fortune and fame while they were left suffering from PTSD and without fair financial compensation for all the dangerous and traumatizing undercover work they volunteered to do. The defense lawyers are likely going to commiserate with Ballard’s accusers and acknowledge that while the outcome for them does seem unfair, nevertheless, they signed on to do the dirty, sleazy work of being undercover operatives, and did so with full prior knowledge of what it was they were going to have to do.

I also think Ballard may mightily resist the temptation to settle out of court. I say this because if the evidence in his favor isn’t fully laid out for all the world to see his life will be ruined with no hope of redemption. Further, if Ballard does indeed refuse to settle out of court it will be a strong indication that he believes he’s actually innocent.

Bottom line? Ballard’s psychologically scarred accusers are angry because they believe it isn’t fair they’re going to be psychologically damaged for the rest of their lives, while Ballard, at least initially, seemed to walk away from all the ugliness and degradation as a psychologically sound and financially rewarded hero.

Edited October 20, 2023 by teddyaware

[CA Steve]

You need  a bulb with a lot more wattage.

[ttribe]

4 minutes ago, teddyaware said:

After ruminating over the Tim Ballard controversy for some time, I just had a ‘light bulb moment,’ and now believe I understand what’s going to be a major element of his defense. Ballard’s lawyers are likely going to argue that his female accusers are justifiably resentful and envious because while they had to engage in the very same dangerous and degrading undercover tactics that Ballard had to perform, he achieved fortune and fame while they were left suffering from PTSD and without fair financial compensation for all the dangerous and traumatizing undercover work they volunteered to do. The defense lawyers are likely going to commiserate with Ballard’s accusers and acknowledge that while the outcome for them does seem unfair, nevertheless, they signed on to do the dirty, sleazy work of being undercover operatives, and did so with full prior knowledge of what it was they were going to have to do.

I also think Ballard may mightily resist the temptation to settle out of court. I say this because if the evidence in his favor isn’t fully laid out for all the world to see his life will be ruined with no hope of redemption. Further, if Ballard does indeed refuse to settle out of court it will be a strong indication that he believes he’s actually innocent.

Bottom line? Ballard’s psychologically scarred accusers are angry because they believe it isn’t fair they’re going to be psychologically damaged for the rest of their lives, while Ballard, at least initially, seemed to walk away from the ugliness as a psychologically sound and financially rewarded hero.

Wait...are you saying the things these women endured were actually legitimately necessary actions? Have you actually read their statements? Good grief, is there any evidence that would convince you that TB is just a bad guy who used OUR to get rich and exploit women?

[The Nehor]

8 hours ago, teddyaware said:

After ruminating over the Tim Ballard controversy for some time, I just had a ‘light bulb moment,’ and now believe I understand what’s going to be a major element of his defense. Ballard’s lawyers are likely going to argue that his female accusers are justifiably resentful and envious because while they had to engage in the very same dangerous and degrading undercover tactics that Ballard had to perform, he achieved fortune and fame while they were left suffering from PTSD and without fair financial compensation for all the dangerous and traumatizing undercover work they volunteered to do. The defense lawyers are likely going to commiserate with Ballard’s accusers and acknowledge that while the outcome for them does seem unfair, nevertheless, they signed on to do the dirty, sleazy work of being undercover operatives, and did so with full prior knowledge of what it was they were going to have to do.

I also think Ballard may mightily resist the temptation to settle out of court. I say this because if the evidence in his favor isn’t fully laid out for all the world to see his life will be ruined with no hope of redemption. Further, if Ballard does indeed refuse to settle out of court it will be a strong indication that he believes he’s actually innocent.

Bottom line? Ballard’s psychologically scarred accusers are angry because they believe it isn’t fair they’re going to be psychologically damaged for the rest of their lives, while Ballard, at least initially, seemed to walk away from all the ugliness and degradation as a psychologically sound and financially rewarded hero.

Even by the standards of fan fiction this is awful and unbelievable.

If Tim Ballard murdered all of his accusers would another light bulb turn on and justify that too?

[MustardSeed]

16 hours ago, teddyaware said:

After ruminating over the Tim Ballard controversy for some time, I just had a ‘light bulb moment,’ and now believe I understand what’s going to be a major element of his defense. Ballard’s lawyers are likely going to argue that his female accusers are justifiably resentful and envious because while they had to engage in the very same dangerous and degrading undercover tactics that Ballard had to perform, he achieved fortune and fame while they were left suffering from PTSD and without fair financial compensation for all the dangerous and traumatizing undercover work they volunteered to do. The defense lawyers are likely going to commiserate with Ballard’s accusers and acknowledge that while the outcome for them does seem unfair, nevertheless, they signed on to do the dirty, sleazy work of being undercover operatives, and did so with full prior knowledge of what it was they were going to have to do.

I also think Ballard may mightily resist the temptation to settle out of court. I say this because if the evidence in his favor isn’t fully laid out for all the world to see his life will be ruined with no hope of redemption. Further, if Ballard does indeed refuse to settle out of court it will be a strong indication that he believes he’s actually innocent.

Bottom line? Ballard’s psychologically scarred accusers are angry because they believe it isn’t fair they’re going to be psychologically damaged for the rest of their lives, while Ballard, at least initially, seemed to walk away from all the ugliness and degradation as a psychologically sound and financially rewarded hero.

Ooof.  I hate to break news here but this is a concerning post. 

[CA Steve]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

Ooof.  I hate to break news here but this is a concerning post. 

You are not breaking news.

Teddy is unable to see how he supports conservative fanaticism over Christ's actual message.

 

[Tacenda]

This is what's been going down lately. Apparently Chad & Lori Daybell, Tim Ballard, Jodi Hildebrandt and Maurice Harker have one thing in common...the man whom the book, "Visions of Glory" is written about....Thom Harrison aka Spencer in the book.

The second and third podcast listed in this link: 

https://hiddentruecrime.com/youtube/

I know Maurice Harker personally, he was in a previous ward. https://ksltv.com/588275/therapist-abused-patient-for-years-to-rid-her-of-the-demon-court-documents-allege/

Each of them attended the various conferences such as Avow, Preparing a People, EternalCore and similar doomsday conferences. I'll have to get the link that I did have and lost with Lauren Matthias attending them and taking pics of herself with posters of the speakers etc. Sort of being an undercover detective I guess. 

Here's a podcast with Thom:

https://www.deilataylor.com/eternal-core-podcast-with-thom-harrison/

 

Edited October 23, 2023 by Tacenda

[Teancum]

On 10/20/2023 at 7:01 PM, teddyaware said:

After ruminating over the Tim Ballard controversy for some time, I just had a ‘light bulb moment,’ and now believe I understand what’s going to be a major element of his defense. Ballard’s lawyers are likely going to argue that his female accusers are justifiably resentful and envious because while they had to engage in the very same dangerous and degrading undercover tactics that Ballard had to perform, he achieved fortune and fame while they were left suffering from PTSD and without fair financial compensation for all the dangerous and traumatizing undercover work they volunteered to do. The defense lawyers are likely going to commiserate with Ballard’s accusers and acknowledge that while the outcome for them does seem unfair, nevertheless, they signed on to do the dirty, sleazy work of being undercover operatives, and did so with full prior knowledge of what it was they were going to have to do.

I also think Ballard may mightily resist the temptation to settle out of court. I say this because if the evidence in his favor isn’t fully laid out for all the world to see his life will be ruined with no hope of redemption. Further, if Ballard does indeed refuse to settle out of court it will be a strong indication that he believes he’s actually innocent.

Bottom line? Ballard’s psychologically scarred accusers are angry because they believe it isn’t fair they’re going to be psychologically damaged for the rest of their lives, while Ballard, at least initially, seemed to walk away from all the ugliness and degradation as a psychologically sound and financially rewarded hero.

Ballard is a narcissistic wack job. Have you heard of the book Visions of Glory?  Do you know about the connection Ballard has with the person who claimed these visions? And the connections with Chad Daybell and Lori Vallow?  And Hildebrandt?  Do you really want to be public about your support of such lentic fingers?  And your comments reflect pretty poorly on you as well.

Don't tell me that there is not something within Mormonism that lends to some people getting carried of with crazy and even dangerous things. 

Edited October 26, 2023 by Teancum

[MustardSeed]

18 minutes ago, Teancum said:

Don't tell me that there is not something within Mormonism that lends to some people getting carried of with crazy and even dangerous things.

I think it’s just religion generally.  It attracts a lot of weirdos.  IMO It appeals  to their black and white senses and to grandiosity. Fortunately, in my opinion, most people aren’t that nuts.  

[Tacenda]

The below are from 5 days ago to today of two of the five womens' statements about Tim Ballard and both had similar experiences. Not sure how many statements have came out. Were there two before these two? Also, I wish I had links of the statements themselves for those that don't like youtube/podcasts. Maybe @smac97knows where these are at since he and RFM are attorneys. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq75EIa4hB8 Married Couple File Suit Against Tim Ballard! [RFM: 309]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pq75EIa4hB8 Tim Ballard Update - The Husband's Tale [RFM:310]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiIbJKiOAGE  Breaking Silence: Examining 5 Women s Claims Against Tim Ballard Part 1 [RFM: 311]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj1KnC8kJg0&t=1551s Breaking Silence: Examining 5 Women s Claims Against Tim Ballard Part 2 [RFM: 312]

[Teancum]

12 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

I think it’s just religion generally.  It attracts a lot of weirdos.  IMO It appeals  to their black and white senses and to grandiosity. Fortunately, in my opinion, most people aren’t that nuts.  

I don't know that it is all religions. I think the more conservative and literal religions tend to maybe not attract more weirdos but incubate them. Mormonism is a literal religion.  It has doctrines on end times that are pretty literal  There is this idea the the church and someone riding in on a white horse will save the church and the USA.  There is the idea that we can all have visions and revelations,  Sure it is a minority but the list of wack jobs using LDS doctrine to create delusions of grandeur and and up doing harmful things is not short.

[Tacenda]

1 hour ago, Teancum said:

I don't know that it is all religions. I think the more conservative and literal religions tend to maybe not attract more weirdos but incubate them. Mormonism is a literal religion.  It has doctrines on end times that are pretty literal  There is this idea the the church and someone riding in on a white horse will save the church and the USA.  There is the idea that we can all have visions and revelations,  Sure it is a minority but the list of wack jobs using LDS doctrine to create delusions of grandeur and and up doing harmful things is not short.

It's even in the name "latter-day saints".

"In the New Testament, Paul refers to early Christians as “saints” (Ephesians 1:1; 2 Corinthians 1:1). Believing that they lived near the time of the second coming of Jesus Christ, members of the restored Church of Christ called themselves “Latter-day Saints” to distinguish themselves from the Saints of former days."

And the latest with all the preppers and having NDE's and visions is concerning.

[Tacenda]

22 hours ago, Tacenda said:

It's even in the name "latter-day saints".

"In the New Testament, Paul refers to early Christians as “saints” (Ephesians 1:1; 2 Corinthians 1:1). Believing that they lived near the time of the second coming of Jesus Christ, members of the restored Church of Christ called themselves “Latter-day Saints” to distinguish themselves from the Saints of former days."

And the latest with all the preppers and having NDE's and visions is concerning.

Added another one, now 5 statements. I guess RFM received these statements from a lawyer. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kKGEcfLaaIk 

Breaking Silence Part 3: Examining 5 Women's Claims Against Tim Ballard! [RFM: 313]