Tim Ballard

[MustardSeed]

10 hours ago, Calm said:

Very informative, thank you, lol

I try to help without sounding too pretentious 😅

[Tacenda]

2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

I try to help without sounding too pretentious 😅

Didn't quite understand, but OTOH, I did!!😆

[morgan.deane]

14 hours ago, Calm said:

Very informative, thank you, lol

Sounds like Ballard is claiming consent…but also his rep is criticizing publicizing the investigation as tainting it.

I haven't been following this portion of the complaint against Ballard. But doesn't consensual in this case mean at best he's a philandering womanizer that used his organization to pick up chicks? For someone that was destined to be prophet, and was all about saving the kids, that sounds fatal to his claims even if we accept his version of it.  

Edited July 10, 2024 by morgan.deane

[Calm]

3 minutes ago, morgan.deane said:

I haven't been following these portions of the complaint against Ballard. But doesn't consensual in this case mean at best he's a philandering womanizer that used his organization to pick up chicks? For someone that was destined to be prophet, and was all about saving the kids, that sounds fatal to his claims even if we accept his version of it.  

I think he is claiming a lot of it is fabricated as well, so downplaying it as exceptional moments of weakness rather than pattern of behavior, but it’s been awhile since I looked into it and I tried to keep it at the minimum necessary as not a lot of concrete evidence in this kind of thing usually, so I would rather wait to see what’s presented in court.

But your above quote is how I view it at this point…

Edited July 10, 2024 by Calm

[ZealouslyStriving]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

I think he is claiming a lot of it is fabricated as well, so downplaying it as exceptional moments of weakness rather than pattern of behavior, but it’s been awhile since I looked into it and I tried to keep it at the minimum necessary as not a lot of concrete evidence in this kind of thing usually, so I would rather wait to see what’s presented in court.

But your above quote is how I view it at this point…

What with all this hanging on to... uh... "soiled" clothing?

Monica did it, now this lady. Ever heard of a washing machine? Gross.

[Doctor Steuss]

5 minutes ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

What with all this hanging on to... uh... "soiled" clothing?

Soiled clothing, and the personal witness of multiple employees, contractors and volunteers, as well as an investigation by O.U.R. itself.

[The Nehor]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

I think he is claiming a lot of it is fabricated as well, so downplaying it as exceptional moments of weakness rather than pattern of behavior, but it’s been awhile since I looked into it and I tried to keep it at the minimum necessary as not a lot of concrete evidence in this kind of thing usually, so I would rather wait to see what’s presented in court.

But your above quote is how I view it at this point…

Why are all these women I individually handpick to work with me making up stories about me? They must be conspiring against me!!!!!

[Calm]

1 hour ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

What with all this hanging on to... uh... "soiled" clothing?

Monica did it, now this lady. Ever heard of a washing machine? Gross.

And lots of victims who are assaulted do try to remove all evidence of the assault as if that will help it seem as if it never happened.  Responding in “eeww, that’s gross” is not helpful in this context.

If a victim wants and is capable of addressing an assault immediately, getting a rape kit done if applicable or holding on to “soiled clothing” is wise and I hope more victims think of doing so, even if they can’t come forward with it at first.

Ballard was denying anything actually sexual took place at all for a time iirc.  This makes it that much harder and demonstrates whether or not his word should be trusted.

I can’t talk to why Lewinsky held on to it as I haven’t researched it, but any employee who feels pressured for any reason by a boss  to have sex is smart to hold on to evidence that supports claims they might need to make to protect/defend themselves.  How many employees have been fired after the boss has been involved sexually with them, but becomes uncomfortable afterwards?

Edited July 10, 2024 by Calm

[ZealouslyStriving]

5 minutes ago, Calm said:

And lots of victims who are assaulted do try to remove all evidence of the assault as if that will help it seem as if it never happened.  Responding in “eeww, that’s gross” is not helpful in this context.

If a victim wants and is capable of addressing an assault immediately, getting a rape kit done if applicable or holding on to “soiled clothing” is wise and I hope more victims think of doing so, even if they can’t come forward with it at first.

Ballard was denying anything actually sexual took place at all for a time iirc.  This makes it that much harder and demonstrates whether or not his word should be trusted.

I would need more information to try to discern if it was kept as a trophy (like Monica), or for future blackmail purposes, or to eventually, someday report an assault. 

[ZealouslyStriving]

17 hours ago, Calm said:

Very informative, thank you, lol

Sounds like Ballard is claiming consent…but also his rep is criticizing publicizing the investigation as tainting it.

Now that I'm more caught up. Where do you see that in the report?

 

 

[Calm]

2 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Now that I'm more caught up. Where do you see that in the report?

 Not in that one, saw it elsewhere…last time the subject came up, so it’s either in the thread or unknown where I read it.

[Tacenda]

5 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

What with all this hanging on to... uh... "soiled" clothing?

Monica did it, now this lady. Ever heard of a washing machine? Gross.

Not when you're violated sexually and able to provide it for evidence. But a lot of women keep it to themselves, it's sort of rare to go to the authorities because of shame (they certainly shouldn't feel that), or that of not being believed, and it going public for all to know.

BTW, add E Jean Carroll to the list of women not washing a dress with DNA on it.

Edited July 11, 2024 by Tacenda

[The Nehor]

5 hours ago, ZealouslyStriving said:

Now that I'm more caught up. Where do you see that in the report?

 

 

That is how you caught up?

[smac97]

A quick update on recent legal developments involving Tim Ballard:

1. In June, Ms. Lynch filed a similar action in Utah County (just south of Salt Lake County) (Case No. 244401736).  A "Sexual Violence Protective Order" was issued on June 26, amended on July 8, and then transferred to Salt Lake County. 

2. In June, Kira Lynch, one of Tim Ballard's accusers (she has publicly identified herself as such, so this is not doxxing) filed a lawsuit (in her own name, not under a pseudonym) against Mr. Ballard in Salt Lake County (Case No. 244903821).  She was seeking a "Sexual Violence Protective Order," which was issued on August 13 and dissolved on August 22.

3. In June, Celeste Borys (another accuser, also publicly disclosing her identity) filed for a protective order in the Salt Lake County (Case No. 244903447).  A "Sexual Violence Protective Order" was entered on June 26, amended on July 11, and extended until a hearing on October 3.

4. The big multi-plaintiff case filed in February in Salt Lake County (Case No. 240901556) is all over the place.  On July 1, the trial court entered a "Memorandum Decision and Order" denying two discovery motions filed by the plaintiffs.  On July 15, the trial court entered a "Memorandum Decision" denying Tim Ballard's Motion to Dismiss and granting Katherine Ballard's Motion to Dismiss.  On July 31, Angel Studios and other defendants (but not Ballard) filed a "Notice of Appeal" as to the trial court's denial of their Motion to Dismiss.  Also on July 31, Tim Ballard filed a separate "Notice of Appeal" as to the trial court's denial of his "Motion for Expedited Relief." 

Very convoluted stuff, this.

Thanks,

-Smac

[LoudmouthMormon]

Just stopping by to make my usual pitch about raising awareness: Child sex trafficking is real, thriving, and horrible.  Good people of the world who want an understanding about the bad stuff that happens in it, should be aware of the problem.  Odds are that you've got a slave or a minor sex worker within a mile or three of you right now.   Here's a good primer on what it actually looks like.  The article turned 10 years old this year, and it's still as relevant as it ever was:

https://www.5280.com/girls-next-door/

I mean yeah, screw Ballard.  To heck with that guy.  But can we talk about the bigger problem here?

 

[Rain]

1 hour ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

Just stopping by to make my usual pitch about raising awareness: Child sex trafficking is real, thriving, and horrible.  Good people of the world who want an understanding about the bad stuff that happens in it, should be aware of the problem.  Odds are that you've got a slave or a minor sex worker within a mile or three of you right now.   Here's a good primer on what it actually looks like.  The article turned 10 years old this year, and it's still as relevant as it ever was:

https://www.5280.com/girls-next-door/

I mean yeah, screw Ballard.  To heck with that guy.  But can we talk about the bigger problem here?

 

I think talking about the bigger problem is a good idea.  Perhaps start a new thread though as this thread is titled Tim Ballard so it really should be about him.

[Tacenda]

On 7/10/2024 at 8:59 PM, The Nehor said:

That is how you caught up?

Oh dear...