Conference Discussions

[Buckeye]

3 minutes ago, CV75 said:

I was deeply disturbed when a good portion of the audience laughed as Elder Morrison shared two incredibly tragic lessons learned.

I was too. I suppose it’s because we’ve heard that joke before about always obeying your wife and so are accustomed to laughing. In this setting though it was very off putting. 

[Buckeye]

26 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Maybe then it would invite us to pause before indulging in unmentioned unhealthy practices

Yes, I think of WoW lessons be much more beneficial talking about ways to eat meat sparingly and exercise more, than to pat ourselves in the back for not drinking coffee and walk out of church unchanged. 

[CV75]

5 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

I was too. I suppose it’s because we’ve heard that joke before about always obeying your wife and so are accustomed to laughing. In this setting though it was very off putting. 

I found it sick -- what a sick society. On the bright side, the light continues to shine in darkness for any that which to benefit from it.

Edited October 2, 2022 by CV75

[MorningStar]

38 minutes ago, T-Shirt said:

In @Bernard Gui's backyard.  

My husband and I will check traffic and see which way is better. 😁

[Calm]

39 minutes ago, T-Shirt said:

In @Bernard Gui's backyard.  

I thought he moved…perhaps I have confused him with another poster.

[Peacefully]

18 minutes ago, CV75 said:

I was deeply disturbed when a good portion of the audience laughed as Elder Morrison shared two incredibly tragic lessons learned.

Me, too. It seemed like many of the people didn’t really listen to what he said. Hopefully, he doesn’t regret sharing the most tragic and personal experience a person could share. 

Edited October 2, 2022 by Peacefully

[manol]

23 hours ago, Duncan said:

I really liked Elder Rasband's talk. When I was in the MTC we did "Search for Christ" in the Book of Mormon, one thing I learned is that it's one thing to find Jesus on a page but it's entirely another thing to find Jesus in your heart and mind

Thanks for the reminder of where Christ may be found.  A few related thoughts:

"The kingdom of heaven is within you."

"The spirit of God dwelleth in you." 

"I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you."

"God is love, and whoever abides in love abides in God, and God abides in him."

[JAHS]

23 minutes ago, CV75 said:

I was deeply disturbed when a good portion of the audience laughed as Elder Morrison shared two incredibly tragic lessons learned.

You have got to be kidding. He was expecting people to laugh at what he said and so they did. They were not laughing at the tragedy.  

[JAHS]

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[JAHS]

Dup

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[Rain]

1 hour ago, 2BizE said:

I like this approach. I would like to see this used throughout the church. Teach a principle and the let members manage their own decisions.  For example, could the WoW say to avoid hot drinks (not by commandment) and make room for members to drink tea and coffee and still have healthy bodies?  (That actually sounds how the WoW was written, but pharisaic teachings crept in and changed it).

It is something they have done with keeping the sabbath holy.  I remember around the time that changed.  I don't remember if it was in a talk or lesson plan.  I don't remember if I was giving the lesson or not, but I know we discussed in RS whatever talk/lesson it was about not creating a list of dos and don't s, but instead focus on what helps us get closer to God.  The strange thing was how quick the transition happened.

[Rain]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

Maybe then it would invite us to pause before indulging in unmentioned unhealthy practices

Like Intuitive Eating.  My husband and I have been saying that Intuitive Living would be good as well.

[CV75]

44 minutes ago, Peacefully said:

Me, too. It seemed like many of the people didn’t really listen to what he said. Hopefully, he doesn’t regret sharing the most tragic and personal experience a person could share. 

That is what I attribute it to (not really listening): a set of people with a Pavlovian reaction to certain cultural prompts. On the bright side, the light continues to shine in darkness for any that which to benefit from it.

[Rain]

39 minutes ago, JAHS said:

You have got to be kidding. He was expecting people to laugh at what he said and so they did. They were not laughing at the tragedy.  

I had mixed feelings. I was not sure if we were supposed to laugh or not.  On the one hand it was oh so tragic and a hard lesson learned from him, but on the other hand he seemed to set it up as a joke.  It's hard to know especially with cultural differences. My husband and I think it was a little of both advice and meant to be funny.  More of a way to show that when you don't follow the prompting of the Spirit it can be tragic, but that you can recover from those mistakes and be happy if you learn from them. 

Edited October 2, 2022 by Rain

[LoudmouthMormon]

52 minutes ago, Buckeye said:

57 minutes ago, CV75 said:

I was deeply disturbed when a good portion of the audience laughed as Elder Morrison shared two incredibly tragic lessons learned.

I was too. I suppose it’s because we’ve heard that joke before about always obeying your wife and so are accustomed to laughing. In this setting though it was very off putting. 

I wrote it up to a native Ghanan speaking English as a 2nd language.  Elder Morrison gets to tell his family's precious story however he wants, in whatever cadence he wants.  I can either do my best to receive it as intended or get all bent out of shape. Imma go ahead and do some channeling of these concepts, when dealing with the awkwardness:

 

[CV75]

38 minutes ago, JAHS said:

You have got to be kidding. He was expecting people to laugh at what he said and so they did. They were not laughing at the tragedy.  

Maybe so, I'll have to read the transcript / watch the recorded message and see if I need to repent. I do acknowledge there are many ways that people might share lessons learned from such tragedies. Having faced similar experiences, I do not make jokes about what I learned from them (they are sacred to me, and testaments of the Lord's atonement and victory over sin and death), as completely forgiven and healed as I am of my guilt. I interpreted his reaction to the first peal of laughter as being gracious toward the ignorant, and I did not hear the second lesson learned to discern whether it made sense to laugh again. 

[Rain]

2 minutes ago, CV75 said:

Maybe so, I'll have to read the transcript / watch the recorded message and see if I need to repent. I do acknowledge there are many ways that people might share lessons learned from such tragedies. Having faced similar experiences, I do not make jokes about what I learned from them (they are sacred to me, and testaments of the Lord's atonement and victory over sin and death), as completely forgiven and healed as I am of my guilt. I interpreted his reaction to the first peal of laughter as being gracious toward the ignorant, and I did not hear the second lesson learned to discern whether it made sense to laugh again. 

The second lesson was if you are not sure then refer to rule #1.

[JAHS]

2 minutes ago, Rain said:

I had mixed feelings. I was not sure if we were supposed to laugh or not.  On the one hand it was oh so tragic and a hard lesson learned from him, but on the other hand he seemed to set it up as a joke.  It's hard to know especially with cultural differences. My husband and I think it was a little of both advice and meant to be funny.  More of a way to show that when you don't follow the prompting of the Spirit it can be tragic, but that you can recover from those mistakes and be happy if you learn from them. 

I kind of understand what he experienced. I have a baby daughter that died 40 years ago. An experience like that becomes a part of your life and who you are. They are still a part of your life as if they are still alive  because we know we have not lost them forever. And although the pain never completely goes away, after enough time passes you learn to live with it and still find humor in life and the things that happen to us. I also think you are probably right about the cultural differences.

[CV75]

Just now, Rain said:

The second lesson was if you are not sure then refer to rule #1.

OK that sounds more like he intended it to be a bit humorous, a bit more humor than I would use given the circumstances. And maybe he wasn't trying to come across as humorous after all, who knows. That is his prerogative. I personally don't go there when sharing lessons learned from tragedy.

[2BizE]

2 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Maybe then it would invite us to pause before indulging in unmentioned unhealthy practices

You are correct. Every time someone drinks an unhealthy soda such as coke, Pepsi, specialty drinks from Fizz, energy drinks, etc, they should consider healthier alternatives such as tea and coffee.

[Peacefully]

Once the Prosper and Ft. Worth temples are built, we will have three temples within an hour of us. I said a couple of years ago that Utah could spare some. Y’all sure came through:) 

[JAHS]

1 hour ago, CV75 said:

OK that sounds more like he intended it to be a bit humorous, a bit more humor than I would use given the circumstances. And maybe he wasn't trying to come across as humorous after all, who knows. That is his prerogative. I personally don't go there when sharing lessons learned from tragedy.

I think when people first hear the story they are responding and having feelings as if it just now happened. But it actually happened many years ago and he has moved on from it and has been able to cope with it and so is perhaps not so uncomfortable in looking for some humor in the experience. 

[SkyRock]

Another 2 temples in cities I previously lived in, adding 3 others announced in cities I used to live over the last few conferences.

My current temple is about 30 plus minutes away today.  2 of these 5 temples would have been within a mile of our house.   

I guess we are just planting seeds these days. 

[Kenngo1969]

I'm not ... NOT ... NOT ...

... getting ready to start my own church ...

... claiming revelation to which the Brethren do not have access ...

... saying the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is in apostasy ...

... [insert some other completely-off-the-rails idea here] ...

But does anyone else get the idea that President Nelson has more he wishes to share with us [once we're ready], want to take us to the next level [whatever that is, and I'm sure I'm not in-tune enough to fathom it], is holding back, and so on?

Never mind!  

It's probably just me.

 

[Bernard Gui]

3 hours ago, T-Shirt said:

In @Bernard Gui's backyard.  

Thanks for remembering. It would have been in our backyard.….but a year ago we moved to Kentucky! The Louisville temple is 90 minutes away.

Edited October 3, 2022 by Bernard Gui