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13 hours ago, Teancum said:

Why?

Because.

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12 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

But it’s your business to describe others choices as “spraying graffiti on and drilling holes” in their temples? That’s not offensive and is your business? Just trying to figure how this works in your head. 

I have repeatedly said people will do what they want to do. It’s their business, but I can express my opinions. Same for wearing a cross, white shirts for Aaronic priesthood ordinances and church attendance, dress standards, Word of Wisdom, Sabbath observance, etc., etc., etc. The prophets have given us counsel on these and many other things, but people are free to do what they want. I believe we should take counsel from the prophets and not seek for rationalizations and loopholes to ignore it.

And I have said nothing disrespectful about their families. 

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On 10/4/2022 at 11:02 PM, Hamba Tuhan said:

True confession: I struggle with arguments against the wrongness of body modification (including piercing and tattooing) that arise within a culture that still amputates the genital flesh of more than half of its boys.

Obviously, some American Saints are consistent in this space, but most are not.

Interesting point.

I don't know that I've ever heard it stated quite as bluntly as that. It's interesting how barbaric and diverse cultural norms can be. I doubt most have every thought of it in these terms yet if we heard about similar things in far off lands we would view it very differently.

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48 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I subscribe to this guy on youtube.  Though I haven't watched all of his stuff (by far), everything that I've seen shows that he's very respectful.

First time seeing him, I liked the conversation he had with a protester at conference, hope it did some good. 

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5 hours ago, ttribe said:

Maybe this is more palatable for some?

2LNIbi.jpg

Why would it be more palatable?

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8 hours ago, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

Who has said that tattoos and such folks are evil? We do what we want to do. Listening to the Prophets is a choice we make .

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8 hours ago, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. [sic]

Latte?  Frappe?  Cappucino?  (Sorry.  Couldn't resist!  Carry on! ;) :D)

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On 10/4/2022 at 10:02 PM, Hamba Tuhan said:

True confession: I struggle with arguments against the wrongness of body modification (including piercing and tattooing) that arise within a culture that still amputates the genital flesh of more than half of its boys.

Obviously, some American Saints are consistent in this space, but most are not.

A fair point. 

Routine circumcision of newborns has been characterized as a cure in search of a problem. For generations,  people have accepted the rationales that have been offered up for it without making much, if any, effort to think critically about them. It’s hard to overcome the inertia of custom — and even more so when the custom appears to have the support of competent medical practitioners — so it still has cultural acceptance, although far less than it did as recently as a generation ago. 

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On 10/2/2022 at 4:45 PM, JAHS said:

You have got to be kidding. He was expecting people to laugh at what he said and so they did. They were not laughing at the tragedy.  

It was a little jarring to hear a joke so soon after a tragic story.

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13 hours ago, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

True.  But on a sociological level, the lack of tattoos is something that helps make us distinguished as a a people.

 

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8 hours ago, ttribe said:

Apparently, the humor is lost on you.

Yes, or maybe the humor was lacking something funny. 

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11 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Who has said that tattoos and such folks are evil? We do what we want to do. Listening to the Prophets is a choice we make .

Implications.  Two ear rings, clothes, tatoos, beards, white shirts to pass the sacrament, etc.  The LDS list of what you should wear, look like, etc is endless.  Seems pretty pharisaical to me.

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18 hours ago, Teancum said:

Implications.  Two ear rings, clothes, tatoos, beards, white shirts to pass the sacrament, etc.  The LDS list of what you should wear, look like, etc is endless.  Seems pretty pharisaical to me.

Yes. The stonings are getting worrisome. 

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15 hours ago, ttribe said:

Grimly humorless.

Humorlessly grim?

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On 10/6/2022 at 10:36 AM, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

 

On 10/6/2022 at 7:35 PM, Kenngo1969 said:

Latte?  Frappe?  Cappucino?  (Sorry.  Couldn't resist!  Carry on! ;) :D)

 

On 10/6/2022 at 9:30 PM, Scott Lloyd said:

Is latte day saint another term for “cafeteria Mormon”?

No fair! :angry:  Your response to my post has drawn more rep points than the post itself! <_< :rolleyes: 

Ah, well!  Such is the lot of somebody who is one of the Board's decidedly lesser lights, I suppose! :unknw: 

;) :D :friends: 

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On 10/6/2022 at 10:36 AM, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

 

On 10/6/2022 at 6:52 PM, Bernard Gui said:

Who has said that tattoos and such folks are evil? We do what we want to do. Listening to the Prophets is a choice we make .

 

18 hours ago, Teancum said:

Implications.  Two ear rings, clothes, tatoos, beards, white shirts to pass the sacrament, etc.  The LDS list of what you should wear, look like, etc is endless.  Seems pretty pharisaical to me.

Not that anyone ever is all that interested in anything I have to say, but for whatever it's worth (or not :huh:) here it is:

https://greatgourdini.wordpress.com/2013/06/08/on-submitting-my-will-to-gods/

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On 10/7/2022 at 1:56 AM, Rivers said:

True.  But on a sociological level, the lack of tattoos is something that helps make us distinguished as a a people.

 

Why do you need to be distinguished?  And really I do not agree.  Lots on non LDS do not have tattoos.  Almost everyone I work with does not have them and non are LDS.

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