Conference Discussions

[Bernard Gui]

13 hours ago, Teancum said:

Why?

Because.

[Bernard Gui]

12 hours ago, SeekingUnderstanding said:

But it’s your business to describe others choices as “spraying graffiti on and drilling holes” in their temples? That’s not offensive and is your business? Just trying to figure how this works in your head. 

I have repeatedly said people will do what they want to do. It’s their business, but I can express my opinions. Same for wearing a cross, white shirts for Aaronic priesthood ordinances and church attendance, dress standards, Word of Wisdom, Sabbath observance, etc., etc., etc. The prophets have given us counsel on these and many other things, but people are free to do what they want. I believe we should take counsel from the prophets and not seek for rationalizations and loopholes to ignore it.

And I have said nothing disrespectful about their families. 

Edited October 6, 2022 by Bernard Gui

[Teancum]

14 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Because.

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

[HappyJackWagon]

On 10/4/2022 at 11:02 PM, Hamba Tuhan said:

True confession: I struggle with arguments against the wrongness of body modification (including piercing and tattooing) that arise within a culture that still amputates the genital flesh of more than half of its boys.

Obviously, some American Saints are consistent in this space, but most are not.

Interesting point.

I don't know that I've ever heard it stated quite as bluntly as that. It's interesting how barbaric and diverse cultural norms can be. I doubt most have every thought of it in these terms yet if we heard about similar things in far off lands we would view it very differently.

[ttribe]

Maybe this is more palatable for some?

[Tacenda]

Thought some of you might like this:

 

[bluebell]

12 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Thought some of you might like this:

 

I subscribe to this guy on youtube.  Though I haven't watched all of his stuff (by far), everything that I've seen shows that he's very respectful.

[Tacenda]

48 minutes ago, bluebell said:

I subscribe to this guy on youtube.  Though I haven't watched all of his stuff (by far), everything that I've seen shows that he's very respectful.

First time seeing him, I liked the conversation he had with a protester at conference, hope it did some good. 

[Bernard Gui]

5 hours ago, ttribe said:

Maybe this is more palatable for some?

Why would it be more palatable?

[Bernard Gui]

8 hours ago, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

Who has said that tattoos and such folks are evil? We do what we want to do. Listening to the Prophets is a choice we make .

[ttribe]

37 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

Why would it be more palatable?

Apparently, the humor is lost on you.

[Kenngo1969]

8 hours ago, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. [sic]

Latte?  Frappe?  Cappucino?  (Sorry.  Couldn't resist!  Carry on!  )

[Scott Lloyd]

On 10/4/2022 at 10:02 PM, Hamba Tuhan said:

True confession: I struggle with arguments against the wrongness of body modification (including piercing and tattooing) that arise within a culture that still amputates the genital flesh of more than half of its boys.

Obviously, some American Saints are consistent in this space, but most are not.

A fair point. 

Routine circumcision of newborns has been characterized as a cure in search of a problem. For generations,  people have accepted the rationales that have been offered up for it without making much, if any, effort to think critically about them. It’s hard to overcome the inertia of custom — and even more so when the custom appears to have the support of competent medical practitioners — so it still has cultural acceptance, although far less than it did as recently as a generation ago. 

Edited October 7, 2022 by Scott Lloyd

[Scott Lloyd]

1 hour ago, Kenngo1969 said:

Latte?  Frappe?  Cappucino?  (Sorry.  Couldn't resist!  Carry on!  )

Is latte day saint another term for “cafeteria Mormon”?

[Rivers]

On 10/2/2022 at 4:45 PM, JAHS said:

You have got to be kidding. He was expecting people to laugh at what he said and so they did. They were not laughing at the tragedy.  

It was a little jarring to hear a joke so soon after a tragic story.

[Rivers]

13 hours ago, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

True.  But on a sociological level, the lack of tattoos is something that helps make us distinguished as a a people.

 

[Bernard Gui]

8 hours ago, ttribe said:

Apparently, the humor is lost on you.

Yes, or maybe the humor was lacking something funny. 

[Teancum]

11 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Who has said that tattoos and such folks are evil? We do what we want to do. Listening to the Prophets is a choice we make .

Implications.  Two ear rings, clothes, tatoos, beards, white shirts to pass the sacrament, etc.  The LDS list of what you should wear, look like, etc is endless.  Seems pretty pharisaical to me.

[BlueDreams]

9 hours ago, Rivers said:

True.  But on a sociological level, the lack of tattoos is something that helps make us distinguished as a a people.

 

Ehh, does it still? In my ward we’ve had a bishop counselor with a tat or two. The YW’s President also has a tat. There’s people like Al Fox Carraway as well who are Latter Day Saints. There was a sister on my mission who had traditional tat’s from her Polynesian culture. To me it’s more likely to show a distinction of history in relationship with the church at best. It’s more likely to lead to false assumptions if we use that as an indication of membership or even activity. 
 

Pet peeve alert: There are far better ways to be distinguishing as a member. And I’m really ok moving away from being “different” meaning that people outside our community will readily recognize us as members or suspect just at a glance.  When I was a teen, no one suspected I was a member even though I was very much active and believing for that matter. Minus 9th grade, I never cussed, didn’t drink coffee, wore clothes that were deemed largely “modest,” etc. I was assumed not to be a member because I didn’t “look” like a member. I was half black and members were assumed to be fully white. I came off as more free-spirited in some of my behaviors/thoughts and members were viewed to have a way about them that was decidedly not. I still see that happen at times in my area. I still don’t “look” Mormon-ish and neither does my husband with his long hair and constant quasi beard. I don’t “act” stereotypically Mormon in many unimportant ways that fits the cultural assumptions of the area. Stereotypes aren’t really helpful When based on appearance or cultural practice. Frankly they can limit us, particularly in our outreach.
 

with luv, 

BD 

Edited October 7, 2022 by BlueDreams

[ttribe]

5 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

Yes, or maybe the humor was lacking something funny. 

Grimly humorless.

[Bernard Gui]

18 hours ago, Teancum said:

Implications.  Two ear rings, clothes, tatoos, beards, white shirts to pass the sacrament, etc.  The LDS list of what you should wear, look like, etc is endless.  Seems pretty pharisaical to me.

Yes. The stonings are getting worrisome. 

Edited October 8, 2022 by Bernard Gui

[Bernard Gui]

15 hours ago, ttribe said:

Grimly humorless.

Humorlessly grim?

[Kenngo1969]

On 10/6/2022 at 10:36 AM, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

 

On 10/6/2022 at 7:35 PM, Kenngo1969 said:

Latte?  Frappe?  Cappucino?  (Sorry.  Couldn't resist!  Carry on!  )

 

On 10/6/2022 at 9:30 PM, Scott Lloyd said:

Is latte day saint another term for “cafeteria Mormon”?

No fair!   Your response to my post has drawn more rep points than the post itself!   

Ah, well!  Such is the lot of somebody who is one of the Board's decidedly lesser lights, I suppose!  

   

[Kenngo1969]

On 10/6/2022 at 10:36 AM, Teancum said:

Latte day Saint are far to hung up on appearance. I think Jesus accuses the pharisees of over emphasis on such things. A tattoo does not make a person evil nor is getting one evil.

 

On 10/6/2022 at 6:52 PM, Bernard Gui said:

Who has said that tattoos and such folks are evil? We do what we want to do. Listening to the Prophets is a choice we make .

 

18 hours ago, Teancum said:

Implications.  Two ear rings, clothes, tatoos, beards, white shirts to pass the sacrament, etc.  The LDS list of what you should wear, look like, etc is endless.  Seems pretty pharisaical to me.

Not that anyone ever is all that interested in anything I have to say, but for whatever it's worth (or not ) here it is:

https://greatgourdini.wordpress.com/2013/06/08/on-submitting-my-will-to-gods/

[Teancum]

On 10/7/2022 at 1:56 AM, Rivers said:

True.  But on a sociological level, the lack of tattoos is something that helps make us distinguished as a a people.

 

Why do you need to be distinguished?  And really I do not agree.  Lots on non LDS do not have tattoos.  Almost everyone I work with does not have them and non are LDS.