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It's Official: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v. Wade


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Posted
12 minutes ago, smac97 said:

6. I am concerned about violence.  I hope that people who will be protesting this decision do not resort to violence as a form of political disagreement.  

LOL

Posted (edited)
8 minutes ago, The Nehor said:
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6. I am concerned about violence.  I hope that people who will be protesting this decision do not resort to violence as a form of political disagreement.  

LOL

The Frightening Threat to Brett Kavanaugh

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Following the egregious leak of the draft opinion signaling that the Supreme Court was poised to strike down Roe v. Wade, pro-abortion crowds descended on the homes of justices in a transparent effort to intimidate them into changing their minds. To no avail, we urged President Biden to stop equivocating and to take the threat to justices seriously. {} If there was any doubt just how real the danger is, the frightening news about Justice Brett Kavanaugh should remove it.

Early Wednesday morning, an armed California man was detained by police shortly after getting out of a taxicab in front of Kavanaugh’s house. According to the criminal complaint, “An inventory search of the seized suitcase and backpack revealed a black tactical chest rig and tactical knife, a Glock 17 with two magazines and ammunition, pepper spray, zip ties, a hammer, screwdriver, nail punch, crow bar, pistol light, duct tape, hiking boots with padding on the outside of the soles, and other items.” He told police he intended to break into Kavanaugh’s house and kill him, because he was upset about the leaked abortion opinion and the Uvalde school shooting, and “believed that the Justice he intended to kill would side with Second Amendment decisions that would loosen gun control laws.” The complaint says that he found Kavanaugh’s address on the Internet.

As disturbing as this news is, we cannot say it is surprising. In the weeks following the leaked Justice Samuel Alito opinion in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health, pro-abortion protesters have vandalized and firebombed pro-life organizations, harassed churchgoers, and shown up at justices’ homes. Leading up to the incident at Kavanaugh’s house, justices received a flood of death threats. Even after news broke of the foiled assassination attempt, protesters gathered Wednesday evening to picket outside his home.
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The time for playing games is over. The prospect of the assassination of a Supreme Court justice linked to the outcome of a pending case poses such a significant threat to our republic that it should send chills down the spine of every American. The House should pass the Supreme Court security bill immediately, Biden should stop equivocating about intimidation efforts by his own side, federal laws against protesting at judges’ homes should be enforced, justices should receive all the protection they need, and we should all pray for their safety.

(Emphases added.)

The concern about violence is warranted.

Thanks,

-Smac

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Posted
3 minutes ago, ttribe said:

It's official, U.S. women have one less freedom than they did yesterday. 

That's not true, and you know it. It brings the decisions back to the individual states.

Posted
10 minutes ago, ttribe said:

It's official, U.S. women have one less freedom than they did yesterday. 

Men are also not allowed to have someone killed.

Posted

I expect that Canada will get American mistresses, wives and girlfriends of US Politicians, celebrities etc. They'll always find away around the law

 

Posted

The dog has caught the car, but dogs don't drive.

In other words, this result was not determined by a healthy understanding of the social contract, nor by how healthy government works.

It's reactive and destructive. What we'll get--to return to the metaphor--is a car that doesn't work and stinks quite a lot.

Posted
5 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I expect that Canada will get American mistresses, wives and girlfriends of US Politicians, celebrities etc. They'll always find away around the law

 

Those that can afford to travel to Canada will do so, unfortunately this will have the greatest impact on poor women & girls who cannot afford the safer alternatives. But on the bright side the back alley abortion butchers who will now be in demand don't need a concealed carry permit to defend themselves! It's a wonderful world with all these new freedoms. 🤐

Posted

Disappointing ruling. The zealotry of State legislatures to to essentially create an all out ban, is just absurd.

Birthcontrol has vastly improved, is far more readily and easily available, and is very affordable (often available for free).”

Birth control, in my opinion is not relevant. Especially in consideration of the Hobby Lobby case, or that many women do not have reasonable access.

“Technology has improved our ability to detect a pregnancy in its earlier stages.”

”Detect a pregnancy” also does not seem relevant, except in viability outside the womb - so keep Roe and Casey.

”Safe Haven" laws exist in all fifty states.”

This also, in my opinion is not relevant. As some States do not allow abortion if the pregnancy is due to rape or incest. This is not to say an abortion should be allowed outside of Roe and Casey in cases of rape/incest. But to force a person pregnant from rape/incest to carry the pregnancy to term because “she can always leave it on the door step of the fire department” does not make any sense.

Separately, as discussed elsewhere on the Board, the States that have imposed the most restrictions on abortions are also States which rank the lowest regarding overall well-being for children (aecf.org)

States that posture “sanctity of life” would do well to help those in need to preserve life…but in reality it is just appears as posturing without works.

Posted
Just now, CA Steve said:

Those that can afford to travel to Canada will do so, unfortunately this will have the greatest impact on poor women & girls who cannot afford the safer alternatives. But on the bright side the back alley abortion butchers who will now be in demand don't need a concealed carry permit to defend themselves! It's a wonderful world with all these new freedoms. 🤐

I completely agree

Posted
23 minutes ago, smac97 said:

The Frightening Threat to Brett Kavanaugh

(Emphases added.)

The concern about violence is warranted.

Thanks,

-Smac

You misunderstood why I was laughing. I wasn’t laughing at the idea that violence coming would be absurd. I was laughing that it is definitely coming. Target Obergefell and it is gonna get real spicy.

The reaction is very predictable.

Sowing and reaping and all that.

Posted
14 minutes ago, smac97 said:

In time, I hope something similar can be said regarding the perspective of the unborn and June 24.

LOL

*wiping away laughing tears* Oh, that is a good one.

Posted
2 minutes ago, CA Steve said:

Those that can afford to travel to Canada will do so, unfortunately this will have the greatest impact on poor women & girls who cannot afford the safer alternatives. But on the bright side the back alley abortion butchers who will now be in demand don't need a concealed carry permit to defend themselves! It's a wonderful world with all these new freedoms. 🤐

What do you mean!? I’m sure all those pro life conservative crusaders will be quick to enact policies to help the most vulnerable among us? Right? No?

Posted
35 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

LOL

In President Biden's speech just now, he practically begged that those that protest must keep it peaceful, I like that!

Posted
18 minutes ago, smac97 said:

When an act is necessarily and inherently and wrongfully injurious to another person, engaging in that act ought not to be characterized as a "freedom."

On June 19, 1865 U.S. Army general Gordon Granger arrived in Galveston, Texas, to proclaim the war had ended and so had slavery (in the Confederate states).  We now celebrate June 19, "Juneteenth," as "{a} holiday commemorating the emancipation of enslaved African Americans."  From the perspective of the African Americans, the Juneteenth elimination of the "right" or "freedom" to hold them in servitude was to be celebrated.

In time, I hope something similar can be said regarding the perspective of the unborn and June 24.

Thanks,

-Smac

False equivalency. 

Posted (edited)

I give Congress 4 months to pass an actual law making abortion legal.
With Democrats controlling the House, Senate, and White House it will fly through.  There's enough moderate Republicans on this issue that this will be rewritten as law.

The Supreme Court doesn't make law.  They just rule on it.

  • "The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives,” read the majority opinion.

Up next, a national law that does confer the right.
They'll push this through to maintain the status quo before the November midterms.

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Posted
1 minute ago, The Nehor said:

You misunderstood why I was laughing. I wasn’t laughing at the idea that violence coming would be absurd. I was laughing that it is definitely coming. Target Obergefell and it is gonna get real spicy.

The reaction is very predictable.

Sowing and reaping and all that.

There was a bit of violence in 1776. I guess we women should just shut up and be grateful for our judiciary protecting us from our own judgement?

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