It's Official: SCOTUS Overturns Roe v. Wade

[rodheadlee]

44 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

Please try to contribute rather than parroting propaganda that isn’t even relevant to the topic.

Ok 

Not one single thing is changed in my state you can still have your abortion.

[OGHoosier]

Good to see democracy win  

[OGHoosier]

51 minutes ago, JLHPROF said:

If only it were.

Oh, we'll get there. Or rather, He'll get here.

Edited June 24, 2022 by OGHoosier

[bsjkki]

13 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Ok 

Not one single thing is changed in my state you can still have your abortion.

And people can vote. So your states laws will reflect the will of the majority in your state. 

So many seem to have issues with this on a state level but no problem with forcing the entire nation to do something on a majority vote on the federal level. 
 

16 states already codified abortion rights.

Edited June 24, 2022 by bsjkki

[SeekingUnderstanding]

13 minutes ago, provoman said:

Wouldn’t the 10th Amendment bar Congress from passing a law about it; except maybe a law related to commerce.

Given that most early abortions are medication based, it seems like at a minimum they could quash restrictions prohibiting interstate shipments of said medications. 

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

How many legislative buildings have been stormed so far with intent to kill the lawmakers?

I don't recall mentioning anything like that.  Do mobs have clearly stated "intentions" that everyone agrees upon?  How would one establish such an alleged intention?

I survived the '60's

Trust me.

Mob rational "intentions" don't exist.  

I think it is fair to state that it was clearly NOT the goal of the vast VAST majority of protesters not to kill anyone.

Clearly to me, it was a protest that got out of hand

Please don't put words in my mouth 

[SeekingUnderstanding]

1 minute ago, bsjkki said:

So many seem to have issues with this on a state level but no problem with forcing the entire nation to do something on a majority vote on the federal level. 

People are touchy when you talk about things they view as fundamental rights (like the right of the unborn to exist and the competing right of bodily autonomy) which is why we are in this mess. 

[The Nehor]

13 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

Ok 

Not one single thing is changed in my state you can still have your abortion.

I am sure that is a huge comfort to people in states where that is not the case.

[OGHoosier]

58 minutes ago, Teancum said:

The political divide is now further apart than is has been in my lifetime and this ill certainly add to it significantly. Add to that the gun law decision yesterday.  In my life I have been aware that political persuasion does impact how a SCJ views the constitution and their decisions.  But I had always hoped that a justice would try to temper that.  I believe what we are seeing now is raw politics on the court.  The conservatives have the power and they will wield it in a conservative way. The three newest Justices outright lied in their hearings in regards to Roe.  Now watch other rights be stripped way.  Thomas was pretty stark in his comments about where he wants to take things.

 

Have you considered that maybe...the Constitution doesn't actually confer any of these rights and they were properly the domain of the elected legislature all along?

[SeekingUnderstanding]

20 minutes ago, provoman said:

There is/was shutdownscotus group

And Janes Revenge, the conduct of which fits within the definition of Domestic Terrorism.

But is really is a pointless discuss about which radical group is worse.

There is no more foundational precept to a free society than the peaceful transfer of power based on the will of the people. 

[rodheadlee]

3 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I am sure that is a huge comfort to people in states where that is not the case.

There are going to be many organizations that will pay travel and hotel for those wishing to kill their children before they are born. It will be a new tourist industry. Kind of like the medical tourist industry of Costa Rica. 

[rodheadlee]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

You misunderstood why I was laughing. I wasn’t laughing at the idea that violence coming would be absurd. I was laughing that it is definitely coming. Target Obergefell and it is gonna get real spicy.

The reaction is very predictable.

Sowing and reaping and all that.

Ya mean like an insurrection against 1/3 of the government? I hope they toss them all in jail with no bail for an indefinite period just like the Jan 6th rioters. 

[bsjkki]

15 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

I am sure that is a huge comfort to people in states where that is not the case.

This ruling is a huge comfort to many people. 

[bsjkki]

11 minutes ago, rodheadlee said:

There are going to be many organizations that will pay travel and hotel for those wishing to kill their children before they are born. It will be a new tourist industry. Kind of like the medical tourist industry of Costa Rica. 

Disney and many others making announcements. 

[LoudmouthMormon]

2 hours ago, Meadowchik said:

As an American woman, I see this as a betrayal of my right to right, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. My body is not your domain, leave me alone.

Sorry, I had to chuckle.  5 of the 9 people in charge of making abortion rules for the entire country, just said "ya know, this isn't our domain, we're gonna leave you alone.  Take it up with the states."  And you think you've been betrayed because they just did what you told them to do. 

[Meadowchik]

Just now, LoudmouthMormon said:

Sorry, I had to chuckle.  5 of the 9 people in charge of making abortion rules for the entire country, just said "ya know, this isn't our domain, we're gonna leave you alone.  Take it up with the states."  And you think you've been betrayed because they just did what you told them to do. 

In other words they said it isn't their domain, but hey let's let the states make it their domain if they want.

[JLHPROF]

25 minutes ago, OGHoosier said:

Oh, we'll get there. Or rather, He'll get here.

Something tells me that will end the abortion debate for good.

[Meadowchik]

4 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

This ruling is a huge comfort to many people. 

A false comfort. Righteousness should make people uncomfortable, not that wickedness and suffering can be solved by dictatorship. 

The righteous should seek comfort in helping women and children instead of trying to control them.

[manol]

1 hour ago, The Nehor said:

Always be punching Nazis!

I realize that's your tag-line and that you may not be entirely serious, but you may not be entirely joking either.  I don't know you well enough to tell. 

Here's what makes me uncomfortable with "Always be punching Nazis!":  From there, all you need do to justify "punching" someone is to label them a Nazi.

It is entirely possible that I'm missing a subtlety which is obvious to everyone else, as that's the sort of thing I tend to do.  Am I taking you too literally? 

EDIT:  I see now that this would be a thread de-rail (thank you @SeekingUnderstanding for the heads-up), and that's not something I want to do.  You can PM me if you think a reply is warranted. 

Edited June 24, 2022 by manol

[LoudmouthMormon]

Just now, Meadowchik said:

In other words they said it isn't their domain, but hey let's let the states make it their domain if they want.

Yeah, ten bucks says you are a supporter of some level of government making the issue their domain, at some level.   Would you be willing to entertain my reasoning?

[Meadowchik]

Just now, JLHPROF said:

Something tells me that will end the abortion debate for good.

It's a flimsy hope to rely on that.

And Christ said as much by saying the kingdom is here and now. 

So don't destroy a system you cannot rebuild, don't destroy it to rely on the Christ to fix the mess.

[Meadowchik]

1 minute ago, LoudmouthMormon said:

Yeah, ten bucks says you are a supporter of some level of government making the issue their domain, at some level.   Would you be willing to entertain my reasoning?

No, it's none of our business. Bug off.

[SeekingUnderstanding]

4 minutes ago, manol said:

I realize that's you tag-line and that you may not be entirely serious, but you may not be entirely joking either.  I don't know you well enough to tell. 

Here's what makes me uncomfortable with "Always be punching Nazis!":  From there, all you need do to justify "punching" someone is to label them a Nazi.

It is entirely possible that I am missing a subtlety which is obvious to everyone else.  Am I taking you too literally? 

This has been debated to death on other threads and is always a derail. SMAC enjoys bringing it up, and if you pm him, I’m pretty sure he’ll have a list of threads ready to refer you to satisfy your curiosity. 

[OGHoosier]

9 minutes ago, Meadowchik said:

A false comfort. Righteousness should make people uncomfortable, not that wickedness and suffering can be solved by dictatorship. 

The righteous should seek comfort in helping women and children instead of trying to control them.

It is not for you to prescribe what the righteous may or may not take comfort in. I take comfort in the fact that this issue is once again returned to democratic process. That way we will at least deserve what we get.

9 minutes ago, Meadowchik said:

It's a flimsy hope to rely on that.

And Christ said as much by saying the kingdom is here and now. 

So don't destroy a system you cannot rebuild, don't destroy it to rely on the Christ to fix the mess.

It is up to the people whether that "system" lives or dies. So be it.

[ttribe]

Watching @LoudmouthMormon engage in mansplaining to @Meadowchik how her feelings aren't valid because this is just how the government is supposed to work...or something. Classic. "Don't you worry your pretty little head about these things, little girl. Us men have it all figured out and leave it to us to make sure you do the right things with your body."