smac97 Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 41 minutes ago, pogi said: With how infectious it is, it is going to be very hard to avoid, but I think it is worth taking every reasonable precaution with masking/distancing/vaccinating. Yes. I'm quite in favor of "reasonable" precautions. It's the draconian ones that give me pause. 41 minutes ago, pogi said: Quote What are your thoughts on this story: I am hopeful that there is some truth to it. The concern is that Omicron is mutated too much to give good protection against other variants. So, once Omicron runs out of fuel, there may be a period of time where we can finally take a breath...but what is next in line? Hopefully our vaccines will give some protection against it, and hopefully natural immunity from Omicron will also give some protection. If that is the case, there is some hope, I think. Thanks for your insights. Thanks, -Smac 1
pogi Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 17 minutes ago, smac97 said: Yes. I'm quite in favor of "reasonable" precautions. It's the draconian ones that give me pause. As you say, reasonable minds can disagree. I guess we'll see what SCOTUS's reasonable minds decide. 1
pogi Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 55 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I heard some news item the other day (I wish I remember where I heard it, but I don't), but apparently there is some anecdotal evidence that Omicron is actually conferring on its sufferers a high degree of immunity to earlier variants, whereas the opposite was not so much the case. If all this is true, then this thing might burn itself out soon. There is some evidence of that, but it is not settled yet. https://www.usnews.com/news/health-news/articles/2021-12-29/omicron-might-help-shield-against-delta-new-research-suggests 1
pogi Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Harry T. Clark said: ...the sensational article you cite It seems to be designed to promote fear (again, of course, for noble reasons). Dude...it's KSL news. It's about as soft-ball and conservative as you can get. They post these numbers everyday and have from the begging of the pandemic, even when case counts, hospitalizations, and deaths were low. Right now, they are not low. We are in one of the worst conditions we have been in in the state of Utah since the beginning of the pandemic with hosptials above functional capacity, elevated daily deaths, and high case counts driving it all. That is a fact. Edited January 7, 2022 by pogi 2
Chum Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 A Trump appointee judge in Texas [1] ordered the FDA to make public, the data it relied on to license Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine. Quote The FDA didn’t dispute it had an obligation to make the information public but argued that its short-staffed FOIA office only had the bandwidth to review and release 500 pages a month. While Pittman recognized “the ‘unduly burdensome’ challenges that this FOIA request may present to the FDA,” in his four-page order, he resoundingly rejected the agency’s suggested schedule. Rather than producing 500 pages a month — the FDA's proposed timeline — he ordered the agency to turn over 55,000 a month. That means all the Pfizer vaccine data should be public by the end of the summer rather than, say, the year 2097. [1] This part wasn't really very relevant. I just felt like dog whistling. 2
bsjkki Posted January 7, 2022 Posted January 7, 2022 https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article257097217.html What we know so far about immunity from Omicron. Omicron is super infectious and is driving up case rates. But, it is still mixed with a seasonal Delta surge so no one should assume which strain they have and still seek treatment accordingly. Get the monoclonal antibodies if you are high risk. I do think it is pointless to get a booster shot if you have recently had covid. The boosters only last so long too according the the CEO of Moderna. I really wish we had more information on natural immunity. Some have warned repeated boosters could harm the immune system. So much information to wade through and the CDC is not doing a good job helping us figure things out. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/23/world/middleeast/israel-vaccine-4th-dose.html 1
bsjkki Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 In Oklahoma, it's still a mix. Do we have stats like this for other states? https://oklahoma.gov/covid19/newsroom/2022/january/covid19-variants-in-oklahoma-mix-of-omicron-and-delta.html 1
bsjkki Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 CDC hospitalization predictions through Jan 15th . https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/downloads/science/forecasting/hospitalizations/january2022/Consolidated-Forecasts-Hosp-2022-01-03.pdf
rodheadlee Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 Covid testing rules the Urgent care centers. My work partner macked his head, mild concussion, needed a few stitches. Fat chance, we might get to you in 3 hours. He went home to let his wife treat him. Not bad enough for a 2k dollar visit to an ER. 1
bsjkki Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 25 minutes ago, rodheadlee said: Covid testing rules the Urgent care centers. My work partner macked his head, mild concussion, needed a few stitches. Fat chance, we might get to you in 3 hours. He went home to let his wife treat him. Not bad enough for a 2k dollar visit to an ER. Head injuries are no joke. If his symptoms worsen, he should get checked out somehow. I don’t understand why we don’t have enough antigen tests for everyone to take at home. By the time we get them, we will likely not need them. 2
sunstoned Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, rodheadlee said: Covid testing rules the Urgent care centers. My work partner macked his head, mild concussion, needed a few stitches. Fat chance, we might get to you in 3 hours. He went home to let his wife treat him. Not bad enough for a 2k dollar visit to an ER. The unvaccinated are flooding our hospitals. Edited January 8, 2022 by sunstoned 1
CA Steve Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, sunstoned said: The unvaccinated are flooding our hospitals. And those going to a hospital (especially an ER room) greatly increase their exposure to Covid. There is nothing like waiting for hours in an overflowing ER room to ensure that you infected with Covid, if you didn't have it already. 4
Stargazer Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 16 hours ago, pogi said: 14 is still an unacceptable daily number for something that is almost completely preventable. Why can't you accept that? I don't want to be unnecessarily confrontational about this, but what on God's green earth gives you the idea that this thing is "almost completely preventable"? It isn't at all "almost completely preventable"! Even catching the darned thing full strength doesn't necessarily confer complete immunity for a second go-around! Or do you have evidence that it does? My wife is a nurse for the NHS here in England. She's double-vaxxed and boosted, and spends her entire day at work (in surgery btw) all garbed up in personal protective equipment in as near sterile conditions that they can create. If catching this virus is "almost completely preventable" then she wouldn't have to worry, but it seems like every other week she gets worried she's caught it, due to one random covid symptom or other cropping up temporarily. And then she uses her test kit, and it seems she's survived another week without catching it. One fine day, I'm dead certain it won't be a negative result. That's one of the reasons I expect to come down with it, despite my vaccinations and mask-wearing. She has plenty of medical evidence about the subject of this being "almost completely preventable", and in my observation, she doesn't believe that at all. Why can't YOU accept that there's plenty of reason to not believe vaccination is "almost completely preventable"? Yes, yes, I'm sure there has been a good amount of prevention going on, at least to some degree. But all you mandators act like "If only you lot had enough faith, it would work!" The plain fact of the matter is that faith is only efficacious if one's faith is based in that which is true. One can have all the faith in the world about Zeus or Odin, but since neither exists, one's faith in either is useless. And the same is true for Covid vaccination. There isn't yet a completely reliable vaccine for the thing, because it's smarter than we are. And let's just say for the sake of argument that the government does manage to somehow pass a law, upon pain of whatever punishment, that requires everyone to be vaccinated, and let's say further that, miracle on miracle, everyone actually gets vaccinated. Is that going to fix it? The evidence says, very unequivocally: NO. I know waaaayy too many fully-vaccinated people who have come down with Covid. So what will your demand for universal conformance do for society in the end? Nothing at all. But what it will do to the detriment of society is give to the government a precedent for an aspect of totalitarian control. It will also foster further distrust in the government, when trust is at a low ebb already, because here the government is pushing a measure that will not actually do what the government says it will do. And here I brace for @Raingirl's incoming downvote -- in 3, 2, 1... Don't worry, I love you anyway! 1
Navidad Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) Well, just two days ago my wife and I traveled up to Deming, NM and got our Pfizer booster shots. I drove all the way home immediately thereafter with no after effects. That was good. The best part of the story is that we got our boosters at a local pharmacy. I am sure that none of you know or care, but I have a Winnie the Pooh and Piglet tattoo on my right arm. I know, I know, even if I join, I'll never get a temple recommend for that sin! Ha! Anyway, when the pharmacy tech started to give me the shot he obviously noticed the rather large tattoo. He stopped and said, "I can't stab Winnie the Pooh or Piglet, my daughter would never forgive me!" He then carefully gave me the shot and told me he had placed it between the two of them so that he had done neither any harm! He added a bit of humor to a process that took a long time to fill out the paperwork and wait for our turn. I understand that yesterday the state of Chihuahua, or a portion of the state went to Covid code orange again. That means masks in all public areas. Oh well, we mostly stay home here on the ranch. It is quite cold at night and warms up into the 60s during the day. This is "dress in layers" season! Edited January 8, 2022 by Navidad 2
Stargazer Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 15 hours ago, Chum said: [1] This part wasn't really very relevant. I just felt like dog whistling. ... and I heard it! Arf! 1
Navidad Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Stargazer said: And here I brace for @Raingirl's incoming downvote -- in 3, 2, 1... Don't worry, I love you anyway! This cracked me up! Thanks for making my day. I think that over the years, I have gotten more down votes from her than all the other folks on the forum combined! 2
MacGyver Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 7 minutes ago, Stargazer said: And here I brace for @Raingirl's incoming downvote -- in 3, 2, 1... Don't worry, I love you anyway! What's this all about anyway? She downvotes my posts, too. I thought maybe it was personal, even though she and I haven't actually interacted. Is this just something she does to posts that challenge her views?
Stargazer Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 9 minutes ago, Navidad said: I drove all the way home immediately thereafter with no after effects. Neither dose of the vaccine or the booster conferred any after effects on me, at all. Not even swelling. But the flu shot my wife insisted upon gave me a sore arm for a week. Go figure. I haven't had the flu in 20 years, and that's the first time I got a flu shot in 20 years. Irony dictates that I will catch the flu in a few weeks now.
Stargazer Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 5 minutes ago, MacGyver said: What's this all about anyway? She downvotes my posts, too. I thought maybe it was personal, even though she and I haven't actually interacted. Is this just something she does to posts that challenge her views? Well, yes! She doesn't downvote all my posts, though. Only the ones that challenge her convictions about Covid. I occasionally get an upvote from her on other topics, so there's hope she still likes me. You, though, are beyond hope. Sorry!
MacGyver Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Stargazer said: You, though, are beyond hope. Sorry! Could be. Seems like a pretty immature thing for someone to downvote all posts they don't like. A better approach would be to respond to the post and say why you have a different perspective. To each their own, I guess.
Stargazer Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 3 minutes ago, MacGyver said: Could be. Seems like a pretty immature thing for someone to downvote all posts they don't like. A better approach would be to respond to the post and say why you have a different perspective. To each their own, I guess. Nah, there's gotta be a way to register disapproval without having to rehash the same darned thing over and over again. I think it's fine that she downvotes instead of pontificates. 2
MacGyver Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 11 minutes ago, Stargazer said: Nah, there's gotta be a way to register disapproval without having to rehash the same darned thing over and over again. I think it's fine that she downvotes instead of pontificates. That's a fair point. But she seems to take the downvoting to the extreme. It would also be nice to know why she disagrees with a post, instead of having to guess.
Stargazer Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MacGyver said: That's a fair point. But she seems to take the downvoting to the extreme. It would also be nice to know why she disagrees with a post, instead of having to guess. Yes, I've had that thought, too, and have muttered to myself, "Why doesn't she engage on what, specifically, she disagrees with?" But I'm getting enough pushback on those things from others, so, never mind. And she doesn't downvote every post she disagrees with -- so I take it that she reserves it for especially egregious cases. Edited January 8, 2022 by Stargazer
MacGyver Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 8 minutes ago, Stargazer said: And she doesn't downvote every post she disagrees with -- so I take it that she reserves it for especially egregious cases. Well, then it sure would be nice to know why she finds the posts she downvotes especially egregious. Her current method of downvoting without engaging in the actual discussion, is akin to booing from the peanut gallery. At least that's how I perceive it.
pogi Posted January 8, 2022 Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Stargazer said: what on God's green earth gives you the idea that this thing is "almost completely preventable"? If catching this virus is "almost completely preventable" then she wouldn't have to worry, Context is important. I was talking about deaths, not catching the virus. The amount of daily deaths is unacceptable and almost completely preventable.
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