cinepro Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 Well, this should be interesting... Quote Ex-Mormons are replicating Mormonism in a dozen ways, from male authority to the Mormon vision of repentance and change, to making ourselves feel better by "giving to the poor," fighting for inequality and justice to prove our worth, and most of all--trying to perfect our way into godhood. The same sexism, heteronormativity, binary way of seeing the world--we still have it. And the last thing I want to do is to pretend I'm not doing it. I'm still Mormon. Saturday at 3:55. https://sunstonemagazine.com/2021symposium/ Probably incorporates ideas from this blog post: The Five Doctrines of ex-Mormonsim 3
provoman Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 33 minutes ago, cinepro said: Well, this should be interesting... Saturday at 3:55. https://sunstonemagazine.com/2021symposium/ Probably incorporates ideas from this blog post: The Five Doctrines of ex-Mormonsim On an a reddit forum, the alcohol and coffee things seems to be true. There are often post of people essentially trying to force themselves to "love" alcohol and/or coffee. And too often it seems the "you dont have too" posts are disregarded because xmos are suppose to like all the forbidden fruits. 1
Popular Post The Nehor Posted June 29, 2021 Popular Post Posted June 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, provoman said: There are often post of people essentially trying to force themselves to "love" alcohol and/or coffee. And too often it seems the "you dont have too" posts are disregarded because xmos are suppose to like all the forbidden fruits. 8
Duncan Posted June 29, 2021 Posted June 29, 2021 (edited) Don't like beer you say? Edited June 29, 2021 by Duncan 2
Scott Lloyd Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) Maybe this is the place for me to come out of the closet and say I hate the taste of cola and probably always will, despite the fact that drinking it is now more socially acceptable within the Church than ever. Don’t get me wrong. I still enjoy other forms of soda (non-caffeine kinds), so much so that I have to consciously control my consumption of it. But cola? The prophet could explicitly endorse it tomorrow, and I would still prefer drinking swamp water to cola. Edited June 30, 2021 by Scott Lloyd
let’s roll Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe this is the place for me to come out of the closet and say I hate the taste of cola and probably always will, despite the fact that drinking it is now more socially acceptable within the Church than ever. Don’t get me wrong. I still enjoy other forms of soda (non-caffeine kinds), so much so that I have to consciously control my consumption of it. But cola? The prophet could explicitly endorse it tomorrow, and I would still prefer drinking swamp water to cola. Even the cherry and vanilla versions? 🙂 Edited June 30, 2021 by let’s roll
Scott Lloyd Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, let’s roll said: Even the cherry and vanilla versions? 🙂 I’ve tried cherry cola. I can’t discern any cherry flavor in it. 1
california boy Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 9 hours ago, cinepro said: Well, this should be interesting... Saturday at 3:55. https://sunstonemagazine.com/2021symposium/ Probably incorporates ideas from this blog post: The Five Doctrines of ex-Mormonsim I think it is important to note that the author of the blog you posted, Mette Harrison lives in Provo. It may skew her experience in how she evaluates exMormons. In general, I find people who are not members of the Church who live in Utah purposely push the fact that they don't live by Church rules as some kind of badge of honor. I haven't encounter that attitude much here in California. No one cares if you drink alcohol, coffee or tea. They do care if you smoke and encourage you to quit. These are just not some kind of religious or even non-religious litmus test. You can't take one person's experience and make some kind of blanket generalizations about all ex-Mormons and how they choose to live their lives. I certainly don't identify with ANY of the points she makes. 3
Meadowchik Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, california boy said: I think it is important to note that the author of the blog you posted, Mette Harrison lives in Provo. It may skew her experience in how she evaluates exMormons. In general, I find people who are not members of the Church who live in Utah purposely push the fact that they don't live by Church rules as some kind of badge of honor. I haven't encounter that attitude much here in California. No one cares if you drink alcohol, coffee or tea. They do care if you smoke and encourage you to quit. These are just not some kind of religious or even non-religious litmus test. You can't take one person's experience and make some kind of blanket generalizations about all ex-Mormons and how they choose to live their lives. I certainly don't identify with ANY of the points she makes. Hopefully the Sunstone presentation is more advanced than that article. Mormonism and ex-Mormonism are perhaps more comparable to theism and atheism: the latter of each is simply a lack of belief in or association with the former. The latter is more about what one isn't than what one is. Furthermore, Mormonism is collective in nature, while ex-Mormon-"ism" is dissipative. Utah and other LDS-heavy areas are unique in that Mormonism is everywhere, so leavers might be more likely to seek spaces that are specifically exMo since so much is Mormony. That said, these specifically exMo spaces still exist, especially online, and therefore they each have their own culture and attributes. They can definitely bring the worst of Mormonism and Mormon culture with them. And so inasmuch as exMo spaces are doing important work, this is an important topic. Edited June 30, 2021 by Meadowchik 1
Bob Crockett Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe this is the place for me to come out of the closet and say I hate the taste of cola and probably always will, despite the fact that drinking it is now more socially acceptable within the Church than ever. Don’t get me wrong. I still enjoy other forms of soda (non-caffeine kinds), so much so that I have to consciously control my consumption of it. But cola? The prophet could explicitly endorse it tomorrow, and I would still prefer drinking swamp water to cola. There is a lot of truth here. I drink Diet Coke but the truth is I'd much rather have a lemonade.
Meadowchik Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Bob Crockett said: There is a lot of truth here. I drink Diet Coke but the truth is I'd much rather have a lemonade. I'm sure that's only because you can't find the One True Drink, diet Dr. Pepper! 😁
LoudmouthMormon Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 20 hours ago, provoman said: There are often post of people essentially trying to force themselves to "love" alcohol and/or coffee. And too often it seems the "you dont have too" posts are disregarded because xmos are suppose to like all the forbidden fruits. I went inactive for 6 years in high school/college. One University of Utah college group meet was held at a coffee shop. I told the group that I had an LDS upbringing and knew absolutely nothing about coffee, hadn't really found any type I actually liked, and could use suggestions ordering. They were kind and respectful, letting me know immediately that the place had hot chocolate. I wanted the experience, so they suggested the thing they could think of with the least amount of coffee in it (which back in the '90's, was basically a chocolate something, heavy on the chocolate, light on the coffee.) I tried so hard to like it, but bleagh. It's just not in my DNA. Same with my dad's alcohol or my mom's cigarettes. Yuck. But yeah, there at the UofU, those folks treated me respectfully.
Bob Crockett Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Meadowchik said: I'm sure that's only because you can't find the One True Drink, diet Dr. Pepper! 😁 Cherry diet coke is very similar to Dr. Pepper.
Meadowchik Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bob Crockett said: Cherry diet coke is very similar to Dr. Pepper. Yes. But it does not transport me to drinking Dr. Pepper out of frosted mugs at Grandma's in the eighties!
Peacefully Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 12 hours ago, california boy said: I think it is important to note that the author of the blog you posted, Mette Harrison lives in Provo. It may skew her experience in how she evaluates exMormons. In general, I find people who are not members of the Church who live in Utah purposely push the fact that they don't live by Church rules as some kind of badge of honor. I haven't encounter that attitude much here in California. No one cares if you drink alcohol, coffee or tea. They do care if you smoke and encourage you to quit. These are just not some kind of religious or even non-religious litmus test. You can't take one person's experience and make some kind of blanket generalizations about all ex-Mormons and how they choose to live their lives. I certainly don't identify with ANY of the points she makes. Same in Texas:)
Peacefully Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Meadowchik said: I'm sure that's only because you can't find the One True Drink, diet Dr. Pepper! 😁 Regular Dr. Pepper is the elixir of the gods:) 1
Peacefully Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 Just now, Peacefully said: Regular Dr. Pepper is the elixir of the gods:) Also, coke with peanuts added:) 1
juliann Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 22 hours ago, provoman said: On an a reddit forum, the alcohol and coffee things seems to be true. There are often post of people essentially trying to force themselves to "love" alcohol and/or coffee. And too often it seems the "you dont have too" posts are disregarded because xmos are suppose to like all the forbidden fruits. It amazes me that nondrinkers would choose to drink given the risks...it is as bizarre as running to get cigarettes. Every few years I will taste someone's drink as they insist how "good" it is. Oh BLECH! Alcohol is not good, nor is it tasteless. There is a very strange desire for drinkers to insist that you can't taste the alcohol. Like the movies that think a nondrinker can accidently drink enough spiked punch and get drunk. I find the most ridiculous piece of ho humming exmo bad behavior in general to be the insistence that all the bad behavior came from Mormonism. It's almost like their version of QAnon. 3
Popular Post cinepro Posted June 30, 2021 Author Popular Post Posted June 30, 2021 15 hours ago, california boy said: You can't take one person's experience and make some kind of blanket generalizations about all ex-Mormons and how they choose to live their lives. I certainly don't identify with ANY of the points she makes. That's a fair point. Because if there's one thing exMos hate, it's ascribing characteristics to an entire group based on one person's experience. 7
SeekingUnderstanding Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, cinepro said: That's a fair point. Because if there's one thing exMos hate, it's ascribing characteristics to an entire group based on one person's experience. Perhaps you should get out more. Not everyone is D i c k from the internet. Edited June 30, 2021 by SeekingUnderstanding
The Nehor Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 23 hours ago, Duncan said: Don't like beer you say? 1
The Nehor Posted June 30, 2021 Posted June 30, 2021 4 hours ago, juliann said: It amazes me that nondrinkers would choose to drink given the risks...it is as bizarre as running to get cigarettes. Every few years I will taste someone's drink as they insist how "good" it is. Oh BLECH! Alcohol is not good, nor is it tasteless. There is a very strange desire for drinkers to insist that you can't taste the alcohol. Like the movies that think a nondrinker can accidently drink enough spiked punch and get drunk.
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