Corona Letter Read in Sacrament

[mfbukowski]

4 hours ago, MustardSeed said:

Pee on it.  Then wipe it down with a clean cloth. 

 

That's about what is being suggested.

But seriously how else would fecal matter get on someone's phone if it did not come from the owner?  Who has not used a phone in the bathroom?

It's your own germs, just don't swap phones!  🤪

[Bernard Gui]

7 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Here is a greeting which is common in China and India:

 

and here is one common to China:

This last one you can also do Kung Fu style:

Not very effective to keep the virus from spreading in China, though.

Edited March 3, 2020 by Bernard Gui

[Scott Lloyd]

14 hours ago, Meadowchik said:

Aw! Ya know, this makes me think that general conference may be good timing, helping people stay home and recoup, and also bringing the church home to those already confined for immune problems and sickness!

General conference brings its own risks, as does any large public gathering. During the flu epidemic of 1917, general conference was canceled. 

[Meadowchik]

2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said:

General conference brings its own risks, as does any large public gathering. During the flu epidemic of 1917, general conference was canceled. 

Nowadays most participants do so remotely, which means great potential for exposal reduction just at this critical (beginning of April) time. So the church already has general conference so well-streamlined that it can still be enjoyed remotely by the entire audience if necessary. Cool, eh,?

[JLHPROF]

The paranoia over this is amazing.  100 cases in the US and 6 deaths of already sick people and it's the end of the world.

Over 50,000 died of the flu in the US last year.  Worry about the flu.

 

 

[Prof]

Several years ago, I went to stake conference and a family came in and sat right in front of us. Their daughter, probably about 5 or 6, was sneezing and coughing. Two days later, I began sneezing and coughing. Nasty bronchitis.

Nowadays when I sit down and notice someone near me coughing and sneezing, I quietly get up and move. Usually, that means listening from the foyer. Not what I would prefer, but I won't put my health at risk like that again.

[Prof]

 

This means "We come in peace, but will fight if we must"

[pogi]

14 hours ago, Calm said:

So is wiping down phones with lens cleaning wipes sufficient or even useful in cleaning?  What is suggested besides throwing it in the wash or spraying with bathroom cleaner?

I wipe mine down with alcohol swabs I have at work. Lysol wipes would be good too.  The simple friction of wiping it down should get rid of most of it though.  

[pogi]

9 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

That's about what is being suggested.

But seriously how else would fecal matter get on someone's phone if it did not come from the owner?  Who has not used a phone in the bathroom?

It's your own germs, just don't swap phones!  🤪

The problem is that we handle our dirty phones all day long then spread those germs to door handles etc.  

People wash their hands then grab their dirty cell phones and are instantly contaminated again.  

[Ahab]

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

The paranoia over this is amazing.  100 cases in the US and 6 deaths of already sick people and it's the end of the world.

Over 50,000 died of the flu in the US last year.  Worry about the flu.

 

 

Washington state is where my wife and I live, where 6 people have died from this recently.  And my wife is reported to be among the people who would have a high risk of death if she were to somehow get the virus.  We know we'll be okay when we die but we don't want to die yet.

[provoman]

2 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

The paranoia over this is amazing.  100 cases in the US and 6 deaths of already sick people and it's the end of the world.

Over 50,000 died of the flu in the US last year.  Worry about the flu.

 

 

100 case 6 deaths, and corona virus is said to have 2% mortality rate, isn't 6 out of 100 a little higher than the expected mortality rate?

[pogi]

16 minutes ago, Ahab said:

Washington state is where my wife and I live, where 6 people have died from this recently.  And my wife is reported to be among the people who would have a high risk of death if she were to somehow get the virus.  We know we'll be okay when we die but we don't want to die yet.

"High risk" is a relative term.   Even with the poor chronic health conditions, the worst estimates are around 10-12% chance of dying from the virus.  For those over 80 years old, the estimate is around 15%.  These are rough estimates and actual rates are probably lower than that as cases are thought to be under-reported world wide.  Your wife is far more likely to survive than die from the virus, but I can understand why you would have some anxiety and concern about this virus.  I think JLHPRF has a point in that the flu is probably the greater risk at present in the US, even for your wife.  That could change though.  

[pogi]

24 minutes ago, provoman said:

100 case 6 deaths, and corona virus is said to have 2% mortality rate, isn't 6 out of 100 a little higher than the expected mortality rate?

100 cases reported.  I guarantee the actual rates are much higher than that.  We are not even coming close to testing every patient that presents with symptoms and we have no way of tracking asymptomatic cases.

Edited March 3, 2020 by pogi

[Ahab]

2 minutes ago, pogi said:

"High risk" is a relative term.   Even with the poor chronic health conditions, the worst estimates are around 10-12% chance of dying from the virus.  For those over 80 years old, the estimate is around 15%.  These are rough estimates and actual rates are probably lower than that as cases are thought to be under-reported world wide.  Your wife is far more likely to survive than die from the virus, but I can understand why you would have some anxiety and concern about this virus.  I think JLHPRF has a point in that the flu is probably the greater risk at present in the US, even for your wife.  That could change though.  

Thank you.  I feel better now.  My wife and I aren't among the people who seem to be glued to their television or some other news feed to get every tidbit of information about this as it comes in.  We just hear something about it here or there and try to make sense of it all.

What you have said helps me to feel better.  I just hadn't heard this news before.

[LoudmouthMormon]

21 minutes ago, provoman said:

100 case 6 deaths, and corona virus is said to have 2% mortality rate, isn't 6 out of 100 a little higher than the expected mortality rate?

It's easy to find a dead person.  The only way to find someone COVID positive is to test them.  For all we know, every confirmed case in the US has 50 unconfirmed cases. Plus, it seems to be getting clearer that some people contract this thing and never show any symptoms.  

So, knowing there are still unanswered questions, means we can't draw that conclusion about the mortality rate, or the morbidity rate.

[mfbukowski]

36 minutes ago, provoman said:

100 case 6 deaths, and corona virus is said to have 2% mortality rate, isn't 6 out of 100 a little higher than the expected mortality rate?

Probably the number of people in Washington state who have been exposed as much higher.  My understanding is that there, the source is not known. There is someone walking around as a carrier and that person himself probably does not know it. In this case it probably would be better to work backwards and go from the six deaths to figure out how many have become ill and not noticed it.

Anyway that is my understanding.

If that is correct we will probably see an explosion in number of cases in Washington that have not yet been diagnosed.

Edited March 3, 2020 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

Actually it's just a satanic plot to kill off Temple workers and those who attend.  They get to shake hands a lot.

 It only takes one in a session and everybody's got it. 

 Now it's time to build up your immune system and not worry about shaking hands.  

 And praying a ton.

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by mfbukowski

[mfbukowski]

2 hours ago, Prof said:

 

This means "We come in peace, but will fight if we must"

Oh yeah what a great greeting for church.

 

 

[Scott Lloyd]

5 hours ago, Meadowchik said:

Nowadays most participants do so remotely, which means great potential for exposal reduction just at this critical (beginning of April) time. So the church already has general conference so well-streamlined that it can still be enjoyed remotely by the entire audience if necessary. Cool, eh,?

You mean they could do a broadcast without a live congregation? Yes, I suppose that’s possible. 

[Ahab]

29 minutes ago, mfbukowski said:

Actually it's just a satanic plot to kill off Temple workers and those who attend.  They get to shake hands a lot.

 It only takes one in a session and everybody's got it. 

 Now it's time to build up your immune system and not worry about shaking hands.  

 And praying a ton.

 

Hmm.  What to do.  Maybe plastic gloves would help.  My wife is allergic to latex.  Otherwise I think I'm going to try using the Tai Chi hand signals from now on, even with them.  The temple seems like a good place to use sign language.

I think we just need to learn to avoid touching each other, at least not without some form of protection.  In the future they will say things like: I remember back when people would touch hands together, actually touching bare skin. Some will say: Really???  Others may remember.

[mfbukowski]

1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said:

You mean they could do a broadcast without a live congregation? Yes, I suppose that’s possible. 

What if the church itself did a "sacrament meeting" for every everyone?

Bishops could authorize the priesthood to bless the sacrament at home. A few other members who did not have the priesthood available could visit other families to receive the sacrament.

We could watch it all from home as it was broadcast from another location possibly even Salt Lake City as if it were a conference. Or for a ward using streaming social media. It would be cool to hear a GA speaking directly about currently occurring events on a weekly basis.

I suppose that's if things get really bad.

I can imagine something like that working in any case of major disaster, National or even local.  As long as some technology is still available obviously, if not, we go back to the really old days, meeting at Homes etc

 

Edited March 3, 2020 by mfbukowski

[Ahab]

13 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Tell them YOU are sick, and don't want to pass it on to them, or touch elbows.

That is a way to be kinder. 

Or that I might be sick.  Good idea.  Or that he might be sick too  A real sicko.  But to be on the safe side I should probably not even hint that he is the one who is sick. I reckon.

[Calm]

6 hours ago, JLHPROF said:

Over 50,000 died of the flu in the US last year.  Worry about the flu.

People know what to expect from the flu.  They don't know what to expect from this bug yet.

[Robert F. Smith]

15 hours ago, Garden Girl said:

So the guy was a jerk... you are much nicer than I... Because I would have quietly but firmly asked him something like... "what is it you don't understand about I'm not shaking hands today"...   If he persisted, I would raise my voice just slightly and ask again...(standing, facing him, looking him in the eye, with hands on hips).  Most people here would do just what you did and shake hands so not to cause a disturbance but I don't think I could let such behavior pass...  And I would later advise the SP or Bishop... The fact that someone would come looking for me would be what would set me off....

GG

The guy's a creep.

[Traela]

5 hours ago, Ahab said:

Hmm.  What to do.  Maybe plastic gloves would help.  My wife is allergic to latex.  Otherwise I think I'm going to try using the Tai Chi hand signals from now on, even with them.  The temple seems like a good place to use sign language.

I think we just need to learn to avoid touching each other, at least not without some form of protection.  In the future they will say things like: I remember back when people would touch hands together, actually touching bare skin. Some will say: Really???  Others may remember.

Nitrile gloves are what health professionals usually wear.  Even my ridiculous-number-of-contact-allergies youngest managed to not react to them.

A lot of doctors’ offices (especially oncologists and such) have a box of masks at check-in with a sign asking people to wear one if they are sneezing or coughing.  Maybe we could make that a thing at church.